I have no qualms about voting for Clinton, Ask Me Anything

[Michael Murphy]

Actually I am looking forward to them   You have to go back to the Blaine  Aurthur election in 1884 to find a dirtier election.  It is curious to see what new factoid Herr Trump is going to fabricate and latch on to in a attempt to turn around the dumbest campaign ever.  He has even taken up the dispicable rant that the election is rigged. Twice in my life time there was a good chance the election was stolen. 1960 Nixon may have actually beaten Kennedy and 2000 Gore did beart Bush.  In both cases the looser did this country a great service by not taking the  country into a quagmire that would have called into question the legitimacy of the new administration.  Trump if he looses will pick up his football and  whine the election was stolen,  maybe he should move to Moscow and become Putin butt boy.

[Rerun]

Say Trump wins?  What do you think the Dems and Hillary's camp would do?  Congratulate Trump and go home?

I hope so.  You guys always take the high road?

 

[KarenInWA]

Say Trump wins?  What do you think the Dems and Hillary's camp would do?  Congratulate Trump and go home?

I hope so.  You guys always take the high road?

 

If Trump wins, I guess I'll get serious and finally start making plans for my death. I should have done that already given my health. But with a Trump Presidency, it will suddenly become Real.

KarenInWA

[kristina]

Say Trump wins?  What do you think the Dems and Hillary's camp would do?  Congratulate Trump and go home?

I hope so.  You guys always take the high road?

 

If Trump wins, I guess I'll get serious and finally start making plans for my death. I should have done that already given my health. But with a Trump Presidency, it will suddenly become Real.

KarenInWA

Please, Karen, please stay with us and please let's not forget: we need you here and you are an important member of IHD and we love your wise inputs  !!!
And... please let's consider an old Continental wisdom which says, that nothing is ever eaten as hot as it is actually cooked...
Please Karen, please stay with us and I send you my best wishes from Kristina.

[KarenInWA]

Say Trump wins?  What do you think the Dems and Hillary's camp would do?  Congratulate Trump and go home?

I hope so.  You guys always take the high road?

 

If Trump wins, I guess I'll get serious and finally start making plans for my death. I should have done that already given my health. But with a Trump Presidency, it will suddenly become Real.

KarenInWA

Please, Karen, please stay with us and please let's not forget: we need you here and you are an important member of IHD and we love your wise inputs  !!!
And... please let's consider an old Continental wisdom which says, that nothing is ever eaten as hot as it is actually cooked...
Please Karen, please stay with us and I send you my best wishes from Kristina.

Kristina - the only reason why I would plan for my own death is because of how dangerous a Trump Presidency could be to my health, my health coverage, and the overall safety of my nation. A man who is as sporadic as he is should never have control over nuclear weapons and the most powerful military on this earth. I fear for the future if he wins. You even have his fans on here saying that he should cut ESRD coverage here in the US.

KarenInWA

[kristina]

Say Trump wins?  What do you think the Dems and Hillary's camp would do?  Congratulate Trump and go home?

I hope so.  You guys always take the high road?

 

If Trump wins, I guess I'll get serious and finally start making plans for my death. I should have done that already given my health. But with a Trump Presidency, it will suddenly become Real.

KarenInWA

Please, Karen, please stay with us and please let's not forget: we need you here and you are an important member of IHD and we love your wise inputs  !!!
And... please let's consider an old Continental wisdom which says, that nothing is ever eaten as hot as it is actually cooked...
Please Karen, please stay with us and I send you my best wishes from Kristina.

Kristina - the only reason why I would plan for my own death is because of how dangerous a Trump Presidency could be to my health, my health coverage, and the overall safety of my nation. A man who is as sporadic as he is should never have control over nuclear weapons and the most powerful military on this earth. I fear for the future if he wins. You even have his fans on here saying that he should cut ESRD coverage here in the US.

KarenInWA

Thank you Karen for your explanation, which is very much appreciated.
I still hope very much (and I certainly keep my fingers crossed!!!) that "things" turn out alright in the end,
because I can't imagine that history could actually repeat itself...
... and that reminds me of Bertold Brecht's 1935 poem about "Questions From a Worker Who Reads":

Who built Thebes of the 7 gates ?
In the books you will read the names of kings.
Did the kings haul up the lumps of rock ?

And Babylon, many times demolished,
Who raised it up so many times ?

In what houses of gold glittering Lima did its builders live ?
Where, the evening that the Great Wall of China was finished, did the masons go?

Great Rome is full of triumphal arches.
Who erected them ?

Over whom did the Caesars triumph ? 
Had Byzantium, much praised in song, only palaces for its inhabitants ?

Even in fabled Atlantis, the night that the ocean engulfed it,
The drowning still cried out for their slaves.

The young Alexander conquered India.
Was he alone ?

Caesar defeated the Gauls.
Did he not even have a cook with him ?

Philip of Spain wept when his armada went down.
Was he the only one to weep ? 

Frederick the 2nd won the 7 Years War.
Who else won it ?

Every page a victory.
Who cooked the feast for the victors ? 

Every 10 years a great man.
Who paid the bill ?

So many reports. 

So many questions.

Berthold Brecht (1898 – 1956)

[Michael Murphy]

Trump wins I am moving to Canada.

[Simon Dog]

Trump wins I am moving to Canada.

I'd be willing to bet you won't, but that cannot be tested as Trump will almost  certainly lose.

Barbara Streisand and others never followed up on their promise to the American people to move out of the US if Bush won.

Also, you may find you can't just move to Canada eh? and be met with a warm reception when you say "I am here, where is my free dialysis?".






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[justagirl2325]

Nope, our health care won't kick in for any of you until you are resident at least six months

[Simon Dog]

Nope, our health care won't kick in for any of you until you are resident at least six months

OK, so that's 72 dialysis treatments on a "self pay" bases for a refugee from the US.  Sounds like a US dialysis patient moving to Canada eh? should move to a border town close enough to cross back over for dialysis during those 6 months.

[Michael Murphy]

Yes I think Hillary congratulates Trump and goes home. In 2000 when a republican court picked Bush the lesser as president Al Gore Conceded and shut up about how the election was stolen by 5 republican judges who over turned over 200 years of precedents that elections were a state matter and made it a Federal matter in order to give us 8 years of war and recession brought on by Bush the lesser.  Even Dick Nixon who could have tied up the 1960 election over the Illinois returns did what was best for the country and conceded to unify the country behind the next President.  Instead of that we have People who attempt to delegitimizatize the President of the US out of petty politics.  I think of the Trump birther movement.  If this crap don't stop this country is going to keep getting worse since no one will be able to get anything done.

[Simon Dog]

stolen by 5 republican judges

The lack of integrity on the supreme court is obvious when people start successfully predicting cases based on the political leanings of the judges.  It seems that an impartial decision based on the merits of cases is all but gone in any case which can be framed as a liberal v. conservative issue, in which case many of the votes are known in advance based on political leanings.

What you say about the SCOTUS election case is true.   It is equally true that no liberal justice voted to uphold the second amendment, even when stare decisis should have made the McDonald case a no-brainer (does an amendment, once protected at the federal level, constrain state government behavior).  The liberal wing voted "well, that depends if we like the protected behavior".

[nursey66]

My vote is already in for Hillary !

[lainiepop]

I am not into politics at all but i do have one question for clinton voters. How r u all ok with this?

"You just heard Hillary Clinton on live TV, into a mic she knew was on, explicitly defend, and say point blank that late term / partial birth abortions are "constitutionally protected" and that she will appoint Supreme Court justices who agree with her. That means that up until the babies due date, the baby is half-delivered, kicking and screaming, and its spine is cut or brain punctured and its life is ended. If you're ok with that, you are dead inside."

I won't post the picture that came with it as it is horrible. But most of u know my daughter who is now 5 was 5 weeks early delivered to save my kidney. She came out screaming breathing on her own and responded to touch our voices and pain. But according to Hilary i could have made the decision to late term abort her the same day she was delivered but the difference in outcome woyld not have changed my situation it would just mean she was killed coming out?! I am not wanting an abortion debate i just honestly don't understand why or how this is ever necessary or ok and i,m sorry but if this was trump's policy he would be branded the most evil man alive! So why is it ok for Clinton? For me this policy alone would make me vote for trump regardless of what his are!

Anywat who do u all think will win?

[lainiepop]

Say Trump wins?  What do you think the Dems and Hillary's camp would do?  Congratulate Trump and go home?

I hope so.  You guys always take the high road?

Had to comment on this as the eu remainers in the uk still aren't taking the high road. They don't understand a majority however slight and are constantly posting and mocking leavers and trying to get it overturned  This is one of tge reasons i think trump might win. All the leavers were slated in the headlines farage was destroyed polls said leavers had no hope but they won regardless. Probably as nobody wanted to say they were voting leave due to remainers shouting them down kind if like trump and clintob supporters. Interested to see the outcome!

 

[KarenInWA]

Laniepop,  from what I understand, late – term abortion is only done in extreme circumstances to save the life of the mother. And in these cases the baby is usually not healthy enough to live very long outside of the womb, or is already dead.  Since Trump made his claim during the debates, there have been many doctors going to the media telling Why his scenario is extremely unlikely and does not happen. There have also been stories from women who have had to go through these late term abortions, and all the pain and havoc that they went through in order to make that horrible decision and how the government has no place in such a decision.  There have also been stories about women who were denied a late term abortion and who as a result lost their lives.

What Trump was talking about was birth, plain and simple.  Sometimes the birth happens through the birth canal, sometimes via c-section. Trump is an alarmist who knows his base and knows how to rile them up.

KarenInWA

[Michael Murphy]

I will answer as I have before, in my youth a close friend made a mistake and became pregnant, no not by me.  This was 1967 abortion was a crime, so she went to a back alley abortionist and the procedure killed her, a bright, beautiful person paid with her life for a mistake.  The plain fact is that abortions are a a horrible solution for a problem but what used to occur was much worse.  The truth is the law in this country is that the procedure is legal, you may not like it but the law of the land is that the procedure is every women's choice.  Instead of banning the procedure it would be more reasonable to work on stopping teen pregnacies.

[MooseMom]

For lainiepop...

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/21/health/donald-trump-debate-late-abortion-remarks.html?_r=1

[Fabkiwi06]

Ultimately it doesn't matter what any of us thinks of abortion because - unless you are a party involved in the creation of that pregnancy, it's NOT your decision. Just as I don't get to decide your medical treatment for your kidney disease.

Partial birth abortions are tragic situations. They aren't last minute "oops I don't want this baby after all" decisions. They are medical procedures done with medical professionals in hospital settings when the life of the mother is at severe risk. Most doctors will NOT perform them unless there is a medical reason for you to need one. So, it sounds like your daughter would not have been anywhere near that same category. I think in this case, Trump is confusing a partial birth abortion with a C-section.

Personally, I don't support abortion, but until we start doing better as a country at comprehensive sex education and preventative pregnancy methods being taught and taking better care of the kids that do fall through the cracks and end up in the horrible foster system... I will support a woman's right to make that decision for herself. We should be doing more to make it not even need to be an option, though.

It's one of many reasons I'm voting for Clinton.

[Simon Dog]

Just as I don't get to decide your medical treatment for your kidney disease.

Actually, you do ... or rather the government does.  The standard of treatment (for example 3x/week rather than every other day) is established by CMS, and rules once you are on medicare.   Since the standard is the "de-facto standard" across the industy, private insurance customers also have their care dictated by CMS.  Bundle regulations influence the drugs you get.

I think in this case, Trump is confusing a partial birth abortion with a C-section.

I believe Trump is easily confused

[Fabkiwi06]

Just as I don't get to decide your medical treatment for your kidney disease.

Actually, you do ... or rather the government does.  The standard of treatment (for example 3x/week rather than every other day) is established by CMS, and rules once you are on medicare.   Since the standard is the "de-facto standard" across the industy, private insurance customers also have their care dictated by CMS.  Bundle regulations influence the drugs you get.

Right... but the decision as to if you wish to pursue dialysis or a transplant, or the type of dialysis isn't decided for you. You get to make those choices yourself based on your situation.  Rules, regulations, and best practices are set by the government but when it comes to what is actually done to your person you get the final say.

[Simon Dog]

Right... but the decision as to if you wish to pursue dialysis or a transplant, or the type of dialysis isn't decided for you. You get to make those choices yourself based on your situation.  Rules, regulations, and best practices are set by the government but when it comes to what is actually done to your person you get the final say.

Only sort of.     The govt sets limits as to what is paid for which, in turn, limits the scope of your decision.

[KarenInWA]

Right... but the decision as to if you wish to pursue dialysis or a transplant, or the type of dialysis isn't decided for you. You get to make those choices yourself based on your situation.  Rules, regulations, and best practices are set by the government but when it comes to what is actually done to your person you get the final say.

Only sort of.     The govt sets limits as to what is paid for which, in turn, limits the scope of your decision.

But remember what happened before the gov't stepped in - patients were chosen by a committee or left to die. Do you honestly think insurance companies would be lining up to take any of us on as clients/patients???

KarenInWA

[Lis]

 I would like to point out, for all the people on dialysis which is paid for by the government to think about this:  there is no way on God's green earth that the Social Security Amendments Act of 1972 that pays for everyone's dialysis treatment that was passed in 1972 would possibly pass today. The Republican (Tea Party) controlled House would not approve it because all they want to do is obstruct everything. If that legislation happened to come on the floor today, they would not give a flying donut if people died from kidney disease. It would be labeled "socialist" and evil. It could never pass today. A very sad state of affairs.

[Rerun]

After it passed all we want is MORE.  Transplant drugs for life, Transplants paid for in full, on and on.  Medicare was supposed to be for old people.  Paying for dialysis is enough.  If you give a mouse a cookie....

Never enough for Libs.