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« Reply #25 on: May 17, 2016, 11:34:26 PM »

That weight would be 217 to 205.6 as of Monday after dialysis.
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Take it one day, one hour, one minute, one second at a time.

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« Reply #26 on: May 18, 2016, 02:10:58 PM »

Good for you!!!!
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« Reply #27 on: May 19, 2016, 04:35:07 PM »

Good job. Think I gained the weight you lost. Of course that cake I ate probably didn't help. No matter, I will do more housework than napping this weekend. Or maybe not..
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« Reply #28 on: May 21, 2016, 04:08:57 PM »

" it's possible that any weight gain may actually be muscle and muscle weighs more than fat.'

So, like, a pound of gold weights more than a pound of feathers?

Same  analogy…you all mean VOLUME/density..muscle is denser, not heavier, after all a pound is a pound. And it takes a long time to build enough muscle, and burn off stored body fat.

Pictures show best the same woman who started weights at the beginning dieting- in one she is flabby, but  after 6 months  of steady exercise she weighs more but is slimmer and smoother in shape. Smaller pants /waist, etc.

Starvation mode was explained well by a kidney doctor Dr. Jason Fung…REAL starvation is when ypou lose all excess body fats  down to th lowest you can be and LIVE.  that was the Minnestoa starvation experiment  by Dr. Ancel Keys post WW2 study of 1600 calories a day for several months…the men lost so far, and NO further, and became  a bit 'mental', even though they knew it would end.  Unlike true concentration camp victims who did 'starve' to death.  https://intensivedietarymanagement.com

By reducing the calories TOO FAR the body is smart enough to ALTER metabolism,  it will do anything it can to keep itself alive, protect the heart/key organs, and for women it will sacrifice even those to protect fertility and baby making ability of the species.  this is why 500 calorie diets in 20 yr old women causes  problems at baby making  time in their 30s,

The recent Biggest Loser brouhaha showed a SERIOUS  study/follow up 6 years later.  EVERY single person  who went low calories for too long permanently lowered metabolism,  FOREVER NOW they burn LESS calories-400-800 a DAY- for the same daily activity, as nomad weight people….and must stay in diet mode forever.

http://www.dietdoctor.com/biggest-loser-fail-ketogenic-weight-loss-study-success

http://www.aworkoutroutine.com/starvation-mode/
Starvation Mode: Is It A Myth? Is It Real? Is Your Body In It Right Now?


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« Reply #29 on: May 21, 2016, 04:30:52 PM »



MY BODY IS DEFINATELY NOT IN STARVATION MODE> %$#&@CAPSLOCK!!!! or is it my fat fingers?
my keyboard is weirding>looks like it is time to restart this machine before it really frustrats me< i can"t afford to rebuild it if i bash it so i better just take a break< go set up my cYCLER OR SOMETHING HALF CONSTRUCTIVE
i"ve always been a big guy< carrying a few pounds
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« Reply #30 on: July 05, 2016, 10:00:37 PM »

Down to 203 lbs after dialysis.  Averages to a pound a week or so.  Lifestyle changes are being made.  Now to make exercise a key point.
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Remember your present situation is not your final destination.

Take it one day, one hour, one minute, one second at a time.

"If we don't find a way out of this soon, I'm gonna lose it. Lose it... It means go crazy, nuts, insane, bonzo, no longer in possession of ones faculties, three fries short of a Happy Meal, wacko!" Jack O'Neill - SG-1
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« Reply #31 on: July 06, 2016, 01:38:42 AM »


Way back i the late 70's I had some problems and a very wise old Dr at the VA Hospital in Seattle to me a couple of things.

"Prehistoric man did not eat processed foods."

"If it come in a can or a box, you probably should NOT eat it."

"All things in moderation."


Hello Charlie,
This wise doctor certainly had some good answers !
I remember being told - after my kidneys first failed and recovered a little function again -
that my best chance to survive with such an impaired kidney function for as long as possible,
would be, if I "go back in time" and start my own (vegetarian) cooking as it was done "in the old days",
i.e. bake my own bread and cook/bake everything I eat from scratch without any compromise ...
... Of course this can be a bit frustrating in the 21st century,
where practically all ready-made food is already waiting in the shops to be picked up,
but it certainly pays to take the time and cook everything from scratch  ...
and it also gives us a chance to know what we are eating  !
... I always look at it from the point that since my health is so very much impaired,
I have to put in much more from my side, to make sure that I am not too far behind healthy people...
Kristina. :grouphug;
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« Reply #32 on: July 06, 2016, 02:09:12 AM »

A pound a week is a good healthy weight loss,  :clap; congrats.  It's tough but doable.  Happy for you!!
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« Reply #33 on: July 06, 2016, 08:21:30 AM »

 :2thumbsup;  Congratulations!! Hardest thing I've ever done is lose weight and that includes stopping smoking. I've dieted, dieted, lost and gained and lost and gained - lifestyle change is the only way to go. I need a kick in the pants to make a positive move. Hope you don't mind if I use your good news as inspiration!
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« Reply #34 on: July 07, 2016, 08:04:05 PM »

I can give a detailed process that I have gone through if anyone wants one.  I ams till getting processed foods out of the house and eating them out of the house.  My tummy does not like them at all.  I work hard at this lifestyle change.  My next process is to pick up the exercise routines daily.
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Remember your present situation is not your final destination.

Take it one day, one hour, one minute, one second at a time.

"If we don't find a way out of this soon, I'm gonna lose it. Lose it... It means go crazy, nuts, insane, bonzo, no longer in possession of ones faculties, three fries short of a Happy Meal, wacko!" Jack O'Neill - SG-1
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« Reply #35 on: July 07, 2016, 09:09:01 PM »


I cut back on my prednisone a month ago, then quit it completely two weeks ago.  I had since gained another 3 pounds!

I am seriously going to have to start looking hard at portion sizes.   Up almost 40 pounds in the last year.   And this is after I was so tickled to have lost a little over a hundred in the first two years on PD.

I'm so screwed up.
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« Reply #36 on: July 07, 2016, 09:52:14 PM »

Portion sizes are a good place to begin researching nutrition of food you are eating.  What is the portion size of one serving?  I am trying to eat one portion size of everything I eat.
One portion is vastly different than what you would normally serve yourself.  Its tops you cold from filling that plate.
I also have cleared my cupboard of junk food.  Anything that is junk/processed carbs I am working on clearing out and leaving it for my husband to eat.  I am trying to go with the idea of processed foods "NO".
I am not perfect.  I ams till working on several processed foods to move out of my diet.  As I finish it up each processed carb, I am not purchasing anymore of it.
My plate is trying to go half protein and half natural carbs.
I also shop with a list and am mindful of the areas I am shopping in. 
The modern diet is a lot of bread carbs.  I am not a great wheat processor. My intestines do not like it anymore.  This helped to get the processed carbs gone.

You have to do it in your head.  IT has to be your decision to make a lifestyle change.  I work every day to keep myself in this change I a making and it IS hard work.
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Ivanova: "Old Egyptian blessing: May God stand between you and harm in all the empty places you must walk." Babylon 5

Remember your present situation is not your final destination.

Take it one day, one hour, one minute, one second at a time.

"If we don't find a way out of this soon, I'm gonna lose it. Lose it... It means go crazy, nuts, insane, bonzo, no longer in possession of ones faculties, three fries short of a Happy Meal, wacko!" Jack O'Neill - SG-1
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« Reply #37 on: July 07, 2016, 11:47:49 PM »

I once lost a ton of weight in just a matter of months from cutting out salt, butter and junk food. No cookies either. It really is about lifestyle and habits. Didn't take long to get use to going without certain foods. After awhile I stopped thinking about it and the foods that I did eat became my new habit. Maybe takes a couple months. Glad you are already having some success.  :thumbup;
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« Reply #38 on: July 08, 2016, 04:10:25 AM »

On my many diets I did discover the recommendation to use smaller plates was actually a good idea.  I thought that it was stupid but I tried it and to my surprise it seemed to work.  Slowed my eating down, and some how made the amount of food I was eating seem like more. 
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« Reply #39 on: July 08, 2016, 05:19:52 AM »


I make a conscious effort NOT to eat breads.  I eat bread, just not near as often and only buy the 35 carb per slice variety.  And I was surprised that it isn't half bad.  I still have to wonder just how they manage to leave out nearly half the carbs?

Pasta is my downfall.   I keep trying to avoid it but there are just too many meals based on pasta.  This is where that portion control issue rears its ugly head.   No one I am related to that eats my pasta sauce can stop at just 'one serving'.

It's a very good thing I only make it once or twice a month!

Recent news article has told Italian diets very high in pasta are not a bad thing.   Maybe they are doing something a whole lot different than I am.

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« Reply #40 on: July 08, 2016, 08:44:31 AM »

The only real way I can tell that I'm trying to change habits is the amount of time I'm spending in the fresh food part of the grocery! Oh, and the grocery bill - can't forget that.   :oops;  Fresh veggies, fruits, protein... They're more expensive than what I realized!

Anything that is junk/processed carbs I am working on clearing out and leaving it for my husband to eat.  I am trying to go with the idea of processed foods "NO". I am not perfect.  I ams till working on several processed foods to move out of my diet.  As I finish it up each processed carb, I am not purchasing anymore of it.

Kitkatz, I'm going to try to do this, too. I thought about getting a garbage bag and just dumping the processed stuff, but I cringed and backed out, thinking of the cost of all those items. We'll use them, but I'm planning on NOT replacing them. I appreciate everyone's recommendations! Now for the implementation of them.
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« Reply #41 on: July 12, 2016, 08:32:06 PM »

I gave the processed foods away to people like my sister who could use the food wth her kids.  I have been slowly eating through mine.  It has taken me over 13 weeks to get most of the processed foods in my house.  Do it slowly you adjust to eating new things.  all at once will kill your taste for the new foods.  Just work it in slowly. 
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Ivanova: "Old Egyptian blessing: May God stand between you and harm in all the empty places you must walk." Babylon 5

Remember your present situation is not your final destination.

Take it one day, one hour, one minute, one second at a time.

"If we don't find a way out of this soon, I'm gonna lose it. Lose it... It means go crazy, nuts, insane, bonzo, no longer in possession of ones faculties, three fries short of a Happy Meal, wacko!" Jack O'Neill - SG-1
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« Reply #42 on: July 13, 2016, 03:27:37 AM »

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Recent news article has told Italian diets very high in pasta are not a bad thing.   Maybe they are doing something a whole lot different than I am.

I also read that article. The Italians (in Italy) have a very good attitude toward good, real food and celebrate eating. As do the French who also tend to be slim. They do eat pasta but they also eat the "Mediterranean Diet" only they just call it "food."   Lots of fish, vegetables, tomatoes, garlic, olive oil, simple fruit deserts.  Real, slow food.  Not the processed fast food crap that most Americans have been and continue to be fed.  And they probably eat their pasta in modest amounts as a PART of a larger meal, not the huge endless bowl.  The American diet is junk.  Full of fakery and poisons and GMO's and other corporate abominations like sugar and salt and other additives to make the food we eat addictive (and profitable).
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« Reply #43 on: July 13, 2016, 06:15:28 AM »


Corporate Greed has and is using the Advertising industry to convince Americans that they HAVE TO HAVE things.   Promotoing the consumerism, causing many people to spend money they do NOT have, go into debt, pay interest to the Banks.   Both Parents have to work just to make ends meet.   Children raised by the violence on TV are violent in the street.  Killing one another in the big cities.   Maybe not so much in rural area, yet.  But it is coming, I fear.   Already the small town America is feeling the sadness of drug over-doses taking the lives on far too many of these young people that as just looking for something to do, needing some attention from their Parents and NOT getting it as they are both at work.

STOP the Violence on TV.    Only make it available in the theaters so anyone wanting to see it has to pay CASH, and we can set minimum age limits.   Some will get around that but it will stop a huge number from seeing the crap.

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« Reply #44 on: July 13, 2016, 06:17:56 AM »


Sorry, I spun way off topic.

In an earlier time Mom's  mostly stayed home and cooked.   We were far healthier then.
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« Reply #45 on: July 13, 2016, 06:57:35 PM »

In an earlier time Mom's  mostly stayed home and cooked.

I regret not spending the time to learn to cook when I was younger. I just never made the time to practice, experiment, and get my hands dirty. Instead, I spent far too much time either eating crap or doing basic food preparation by emptying cans, boxes, and bags into pots, pans, baking sheets, and casserole dishes. I can follow recipes, and I can prepare relatively healthy meals and items that I've practiced for years (limited repertoire there)... But cooking from scratch and making it interesting, tasty, and not (too) repetitive is not an easy thing. I'm trying, though, and will continue learning. A decent cook is not made in a day!   ;D
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« Reply #46 on: July 13, 2016, 09:11:07 PM »

Despite having had a stay-at-home mother who made everything from scratch, I never did learn to cook as well as she did. But I don't necessarily consider myself a bad cook tho either. I tell people that while I'm not the best cook no one in my home will ever starve because of my cooking. Preparing simple meals is still healthier than junk food. I've gotten a lot of mileage out of my crockpot.
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« Reply #47 on: August 02, 2016, 02:28:26 PM »

202.2 lbs as of last Friday!   15 pounds off of me in 16 weeks.  I have goal of 188 lbs in another 16 weeks.  I also want to bring my activity level up.
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Ivanova: "Old Egyptian blessing: May God stand between you and harm in all the empty places you must walk." Babylon 5

Remember your present situation is not your final destination.

Take it one day, one hour, one minute, one second at a time.

"If we don't find a way out of this soon, I'm gonna lose it. Lose it... It means go crazy, nuts, insane, bonzo, no longer in possession of ones faculties, three fries short of a Happy Meal, wacko!" Jack O'Neill - SG-1
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« Reply #48 on: August 02, 2016, 03:17:58 PM »

Love reading good news like this. The more that comes off the more energy you will have. Your success rate is awesome.
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« Reply #49 on: August 02, 2016, 06:28:30 PM »

 
:cheer: :cheer: :cheer:

kitkatz, that is so inspiring!  great job!
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