Mr. Donald Trump ?

[MooseMom]

My guess is "legal but sleazy" rather than "criminal".

Again, "guessing" isn't good enough, and that's why we need to see his tax returns before the election so that we can be sure there is nothing CRIMINAL there.  It's just that simple.

I also want to see his birth certificate because I suspect that he is a secret Russian.  Whether or not you like or dislike Hillary Clinton, one can't deny that she has been under intense scrutiny for decades.  You also can't deny that when you really think about it, we don't know much at all about Trump. 

It's very telling to note that none of Trumps friends (does he have any?) NOR business partners/associates spoke for him at the convention nor at any other event, really.  The only ones who did were his kids or political losers (Chris "The Donut" Christie) who wanted to get on his good side.

Trump yells about Hillary Clinton's "character", but I have yet to see anyone outside of his family say anything GOOD about HIS character.

Donald Trump aka Putin's Pal.

[kristina]

My guess is "legal but sleazy" rather than "criminal".

Again, "guessing" isn't good enough, and that's why we need to see his tax returns before the election so that we can be sure there is nothing CRIMINAL there.  It's just that simple.

I also want to see his birth certificate because I suspect that he is a secret Russian.  Whether or not you like or dislike Hillary Clinton, one can't deny that she has been under intense scrutiny for decades.  You also can't deny that when you really think about it, we don't know much at all about Trump. 

It's very telling to note that none of Trumps friends (does he have any?) NOR business partners/associates spoke for him at the convention nor at any other event, really.  The only ones who did were his kids or political losers (Chris "The Donut" Christie) who wanted to get on his good side.

Trump yells about Hillary Clinton's "character", but I have yet to see anyone outside of his family say anything GOOD about HIS character.

Donald Trump aka Putin's Pal.

Agreed ! ... and I would also like to know how he actually made all his money so very, very quickly ... and ...  it really sounds a little strange when we hear him shouting against illegal workers
and illegal immigrants ... and at the same time we are being told that he made his millions in the building-trade ... and ... we are also being told... that without illegal workers the building-trade would not be flourishing at all ... so ... things don't really seem to add up... ?




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[Simon Dog]

if Vladimir Putin were simply the CEO of a major American corporation and there was this much money flowing in Trump's direction,

A key difference is that Trump is not in a position to doll out government or State Department favors in return for the money.   If he is elected, taking any money would be downright criminal and not subject to the powerful person exemption afforded Clinton.

[SutureSelf]

My guess is "legal but sleazy" rather than "criminal".

Again, "guessing" isn't good enough, and that's why we need to see his tax returns before the election so that we can be sure there is nothing CRIMINAL there.  It's just that simple.

I also want to see his birth certificate because I suspect that he is a secret Russian.  Whether or not you like or dislike Hillary Clinton, one can't deny that she has been under intense scrutiny for decades.  You also can't deny that when you really think about it, we don't know much at all about Trump. 

It's very telling to note that none of Trumps friends (does he have any?) NOR business partners/associates spoke for him at the convention nor at any other event, really.  The only ones who did were his kids or political losers (Chris "The Donut" Christie) who wanted to get on his good side.

Trump yells about Hillary Clinton's "character", but I have yet to see anyone outside of his family say anything GOOD about HIS character.

Donald Trump aka Putin's Pal.

The convention isn't the place for "friends" to speak.  It's more for politicians and political allies.  As for his friends, the lefty resources you read/watch wouldn't go out looking for them, so of course you would believe he has none.

This from a recent issue of People magazine:

Several friends of the real estate mogul tell PEOPLE that his bellow and bluster is an act, put on by a salesman and reality-TV star for ratings.

 "Donald is a showbiz guy, and his talk is his shtick," says Trump's friend Christopher Ruddy. The offstage Trump, he adds, is "caring and kind."

A Jewish member of Trump's Mar-a-Lago club in South Florida credits him with "really opening Palm Beach to the Jewish population."

Another club member and longtime friend, Robin Bernstein, says Trump is a "workaholic deep thinker … He asks many people around him the same questions because he wants to hear all sides of an issue." Berstein adds that he's truly supportive of women.

Another friend, Omarosa Manigault, who starred on Trump's TV competition series The Apprentice, says he hasn't "made the total shift from entertainer."

And "when it comes to diversity, he puts his money where his mouth is," adds Manigault, who credits Trump with financing her idea of a minority version of The Bachelorette and letting her take it to an all-black network.

[PrimeTimer]

He's not a citizen so of course acknowledges that he can't vote here but I agree with much of what Milo Yiannopoulos is saying and why he hopes Americans vote for Trump. I would post the link to his recent speech but Milo is a very colorful guy who uses very colorful language and I don't think the ihd site would want that on here. But if you can get past his language and antics, listen closely to what Milo is really saying. It's all about freedom.

For those who want to listen to his speech, you can Google "Milo Yiannopoulos at America First Rally RNC" 07-18-16 on youtube (again, I have to caution because of his language).   



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[Rerun]

Donald's quip about hoping Russia finds Hillary'd 30,000 lost emails has the Dems in a up roar.

How easily we forget:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYGsadcBiFA

[kickingandscreaming]

You know, Rerun, that there are some things that are unwise to "quip" about in this dangerous world.  And suggesting cyber-espionage to an adversary of this country is one of them.  It shows horrific judgment on his part.  And even worse judgment on yours.

[MooseMom]

SutureSelf, I disagree.  Most people don't pay attention to politics until the conventions, so the conventions are EXACTLY the place where both FRIENDS and political allies should be talking about the different sides of the candidate.  This is EXACTLY the venue where a candidate is formally introduced to the American electorate.  So why isn't Trump politically astute enough to bring on his personal friends to show us the "real" side of Trump, to tell us that what we see on our screens is really just an act and is NOT who Trump really is?  Don't you think we need to know that?  So, what you are saying is that Trump's "friends" are telling us that he is a fake, after all, that the public side of him that we see walking through the fog is just a show.  THAT's what we need in a leader.  All show, no substance.  Here was his chance to show American and the world who is REALLY is, and he didn't take it.

Rerun, if you want to see the personal emails that Hillary Clinton deleted (which was her prerogative, just as it is has been the prerogative of past Secretaries), then I want to see what Trump is hiding in his tax returns.  Why is he protecting Putin and his oligarch friends?  And it is not just Dems who are in an uproar.  Our cybersecurity services are VERY interested in what is REALLY behind Trump's "quip".

Trump-Putin 2016.  Has a certain ring to it...

[MooseMom]

He's not a citizen so of course acknowledges that he can't vote here but I agree with much of what Milo Yiannopoulos is saying and why he hopes Americans vote for Trump. I would post the link to his recent speech but Milo is a very colorful guy who uses very colorful language and I don't think the ihd site would want that on here. But if you can get past his language and antics, listen closely to what Milo is really saying. It's all about freedom.

For those who want to listen to his speech, you can Google "Milo Yiannopoulos at America First Rally RNC" 07-18-16 on youtube (again, I have to caution because of his language).   



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Thank you for posting this link!  Here are my thoughts for what they are worth.

1.  I agree that college campuses are becoming too Pc, what with their "safe places" and students wanting to uninvite scheduled speakers because they might hear something that hurts their tender feelings.  I am dismayed when I hear of these occurrences.  American universities should be places where ideas are presented, exchanged, dissected, and then celebrated or dismissed, whichever the case may be.

2.  However, I do worry that those who call for action against what they define as "political correctness" are in fact asking for veiled permission to spew hatred, bigotry, misogyny and other putrid verbal vomit, all the while proclaiming that normal, decent people are "too pc".

3.  I lived in the UK for a long time and visit often, and I certainly do not agree that Britain looks to the US as some beacon of hope and goodwill!!!!!!!!!  What IS he on about??

4.  I don't know what one does about Islamic terrorists, ISIS or any of those groups that really have nothing to do with Islam but yet have everything to do with wanting power over people and killing any and everyone (mostly other Muslims, it must be said) who does not believe as they believe.  I understand the West's fear of these groups, and I agree that every country has every right to protect their borders.  But it is HOW to protect those borders that is in question, and I do not think that Trump has the answer.  Trump wants us all to believe that our borders are leaker than sieves, and that's just not true.  Our borders are tighter than ever, we take in fewer refugees than any place in Europe, so again I don't know what Milo is on about.

5.  I listened very closely to what Milo said, and I didn't hear anything I would label "freedom".  What did you hear that I'm missing?

6.  I understand that a gay man would be frightened of Islamic radicals, but I don't understand how he flew from that premise to one that labels the left as also being an enemy of gay men.  It's a bit of a non-sequitur.  Perhaps you could explain?

Again, thanks for posting the link.

[PrimeTimer]

The Liberal Left think anyone and everything is fine so long as it fits their narrative and when it doesn't, it's back to the old "what difference does it make?" speech. Same can be said now of the new "American Socialist Party". Progressivism is code for Communism.

"When tolerance is a one way street, it will lead to cultural suicide"
-Allen B West 

 

[Simon Dog]

students wanting to uninvite scheduled speakers because they might hear something that hurts their tender feelings.

They are not being disinvited because it will hurt feelings, but because those one the progressive liberal side of the issue do not want other students to be exposed to arguments on both sides of the issue.

[PrimeTimer]

Uh oh...now the Haitians are protesting Hillary. They say rotten Hillary should be in jail for funneling money to her brother Tony Rodham and his gold exploitation company that was meant to help the poverty-stricken earthquake victims.

"I deal through the Clinton Foundation. That gets me in-touch with Haitian officials. I hound my brother in-law(Bill) because it's his fund that we're going to get our money from".
-Tony Rodham, brother to Democrat presidential nominee Hillary Rodham Clinton

[PrimeTimer]

6.  I understand that a gay man would be frightened of Islamic radicals, but I don't understand how he flew from that premise to one that labels the left as also being an enemy of gay men.  It's a bit of a non-sequitur.  Perhaps you could explain?

Again, thanks for posting the link.

Why did Hillary take donations from countries that make homosexuality a criminal offense punishable by death and where women are not allowed to drive?

[iolaire]

The Liberal Left think anyone and everything is fine so long as it fits their narrative and when it doesn't, it's back to the old "what difference does it make?" speech. Same can be said now of the new "American Socialist Party". Progressivism is code for Communism.

"When tolerance is a one way street, it will lead to cultural suicide"
-Allen B West

I see the same thing happening on the Fascist Right.  Honestly I'm surprised this thread has lasted as long as it has.  In my interactions with more conservative people (or person) its fairly clear that neither of us will sway the other.

[MooseMom]

The Liberal Left think anyone and everything is fine so long as it fits their narrative and when it doesn't, it's back to the old "what difference does it make?" speech. Same can be said now of the new "American Socialist Party". Progressivism is code for Communism.

"When tolerance is a one way street, it will lead to cultural suicide"
-Allen B West

Can you translate this into something more coherent?

[MooseMom]

6.  I understand that a gay man would be frightened of Islamic radicals, but I don't understand how he flew from that premise to one that labels the left as also being an enemy of gay men.  It's a bit of a non-sequitur.  Perhaps you could explain?

Again, thanks for posting the link.

Why did Hillary take donations from countries that make homosexuality a criminal offense punishable by death and where women are not allowed to drive?

Why are Donald Trump and his kids being bankrolled by the oligarchy in Russia who by no means are pro-democracy?  He really must release his tax returns.  We HAVE to fully understand his connections to Russia and determine if he is a national security risk.

As for the Clinton foundation taking donations to countries that make homosexuality a criminal offense, well, it was not that long ago that the same could be said for some of own states, yet we continue to provide for them and send them money.  I imagine they took such donations because they can use the money to educate girls and promote women's rights, for instance, in countries that may be amenable to change in this regard.  Once again, you have not provided an answer to a direct question.

[MooseMom]

I see the same thing happening on the Fascist Right.  Honestly I'm surprised this thread has lasted as long as it has.  In my interactions with more conservative people (or person) its fairly clear that neither of us will sway the other.

But even conservatives will tell you that Donald Trump is not a Conservative. 

[MooseMom]

Uh oh...now the Haitians are protesting Hillary. They say rotten Hillary should be in jail for funneling money to her brother Tony Rodham and his gold exploitation company that was meant to help the poverty-stricken earthquake victims.

"I deal through the Clinton Foundation. That gets me in-touch with Haitian officials. I hound my brother in-law(Bill) because it's his fund that we're going to get our money from".
-Tony Rodham, brother to Democrat presidential nominee Hillary Rodham Clinton

According to the much beloved Breitbart, they do report that there was a protest last year, but whether or not that really happened is debatable.

This might give you a bit more information.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/11/us/politics/tony-rodhams-ties-invite-scrutiny-forhillary-and-bill-clinton.html?_r=0

[PrimeTimer]

In Hillary's world, it's okay for her to take donations from countries that make homosexuality a crime punishable by death, don't allow women to drive, shoot little girls trying to go to school and slaughter Christians so long as she uses the money for a good cause; her own personal bank account. What Hillary continues to display is her longtime love affair with Saul Alinsky and his rules for radicals, specifically the rule that states, "Ends justify the means".   

[kickingandscreaming]

Prime Timer: I don't even know where to begin to decipher the word salad that spews from your ...wherever.  It's this kind of random stabbing in the dark kind of thinking that makes me despair for the future of our species and planet.  Get a grip.  I really wish Hillary had paid MORE attention to Mr. Alinsky when she wrote her senior thesis on his thought.  She is so far from an Alinsky-ite that it isn't even funny.  Hillary is the closest thing to a Republican while still calling herself a Democrat.  So, so radical!

[Jean]

Yes, it's late and yes, I am tired, however:::::
MM what makes you think you would understand Donald Trumps tax return even if you got to see it. I know your hubby is an attorney, but that has nothing to do with interpreting an income tax return, especially his.
AND
MM and K&S, I dont know how long either of you have been on IHD, but when I joined in 2008, I had to read the rules, one of which was, you will not verbally abuse the admins. Who do you two think you are to talk to Rerun the way you do, as if she was a moron?? In those days, the admins would have booted your butt out and right now.
K&S, I know you like to tell everyone you are old and crochety. Personally I think you are just crochety and being old has nothing to do with it. I am older than you are and I am not a grouch!!
To Iolaire, these two are the reason this thread has stayed on so long, they use each other to feed off the hate!!
I for one am fed up with this childish rudeness. You all can and will do as you please. To each his own.
Jean
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I will read all of your love-filled notes tomorrow.

[Athena]

The Liberal Left think anyone and everything is fine so long as it fits their narrative and when it doesn't, it's back to the old "what difference does it make?" speech. Same can be said now of the new "American Socialist Party". Progressivism is code for Communism.

"When tolerance is a one way street, it will lead to cultural suicide"
-Allen B West

I really am with you on this point PrimeTimer. I'm not in the know about US politics but undoubtedly the proselytizing left-wingers has become the new fascism in our times, wherever we may be. I also am now following Milos Y after hearing a very articulate interview he gave recently that was loaded with such good rational common sense and a perfectly valid criticism of contemporary PC group-think.

[MooseMom]

Jean, I've been a member of this board since early 2007 and have somehow managed not to be kicked out, and I can't for the life of me see where I have abused any mod.  Besides, it says that this forum is for those with thick skins only (which obviously wouldn't include Donald Trump), and we all know that discussions can get heated, so if you don't like it, don't visit.

I don't have to be a CPA to understand Donald Trump's tax returns; there are plenty of people out there, including congresspeople and tax attorneys, who could easily decipher his returns and tell us what's going on with him and his Russian money connections.  Can you imagine the uproar if Hillary Clinton or any other candidate refused to reveal this information?  He is lying when he claims that he can't release them because they are being audited.  He simply must release them.  If people are going to vote for him because they believe he is the one to lead our economy because of his successful business experience, then we need to see proof that he is indeed a successful businessman.  If people are going to vote for him because they believe he is going to bring back jobs because he has already created so many of them, then we need to see proof of that.  I would like to know what kind of jobs he has created in the US and also what kind of wages he pays his working class employees.  Those are not unreasonable questions that the American electorate are asking.  This is not "hate", rather, it is simple enquiry.

Thank you, Jean, for taking the time to post that you are fed up with this conversation and for giving us permission to do as we please.  Oh, and thank you for pointing out that is is only myself and K&S who are talking to each other. 

[MooseMom]

In Hillary's world, it's okay for her to take donations from countries that make homosexuality a crime punishable by death, don't allow women to drive, shoot little girls trying to go to school and slaughter Christians so long as she uses the money for a good cause; her own personal bank account. What Hillary continues to display is her longtime love affair with Saul Alinsky and his rules for radicals, specifically the rule that states, "Ends justify the means".   

You and I are probably driving cars that are fueled by gasoline that has been refined from oil that the USA imports from countries that make homosexuality a crime punishable by death, don't allow women to drive, shoot little girls trying to go to school and slaughter Christians.  Oh, and we also sell them weapons and aircraft that have been manufactured here in this country, providing employment to middle class workers in those industries.

No one cares about Saul Alinsky.  I don't think I know anyone who even knows who he is/was.

[MooseMom]

The Liberal Left think anyone and everything is fine so long as it fits their narrative and when it doesn't, it's back to the old "what difference does it make?" speech. Same can be said now of the new "American Socialist Party". Progressivism is code for Communism.

"When tolerance is a one way street, it will lead to cultural suicide"
-Allen B West

I really am with you on this point PrimeTimer. I'm not in the know about US politics but undoubtedly the proselytizing left-wingers has become the new fascism in our times, wherever we may be. I also am now following Milos Y after hearing a very articulate interview he gave recently that was loaded with such good rational common sense and a perfectly valid criticism of contemporary PC group-think.

Can either of you please tell me what any of this means???  And Athena, are you referring to the same bit of video from Milo Y that Prime Timer and I were discussing?  I think perhaps you are.  If so, could you respond to my thoughts I've posted previously?  I'd be interested in your own thoughts.

One final thing.  I was moved by the mother who spoke at the RNC whose son was killed in Benghazi.  Who wouldn't be?  She blames Hilary Clinton personally.  No evidence supports her belief (the blame really should go on the shoulders of the Pentagon, but no one from the Pentagon is running for the presidency), but who would argue with a mother who feels such profound grief?  Certainly not anyone is his/her right mind.  But when Mr. and Mrs. Khan spoke at the DNC, Donald Trump starts his usual ranting on Twitter.  I just do not understand how he gets away with so much.  This behavior is so petty, so disgraceful and so cringeworthy.  I just don't get the appeal, I really don't.  I am truly, truly hoping that someone can tell me what they think Donald Trump is going to do for this country and how he is going to do it.  I have asked this question several times, but no one seems to have any ideas.  I WANT to be more comfortable with the idea of a Trump presidency because I think there is a real possibility that it could happen, so I am BEGGING you all to PLEASE at least TRY to convince me that he will do us proud. 

And what is this about?  Are Trump supporters themselves starting to become more like their candidate?  This just is not right!  It IS NOT RIGHT!
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/mother-of-service-member-booed-over-khan-question-at-pence-rally-226540

(Is there anything in my post that's childish or hateful toward anyone on IHD?)