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« Reply #50 on: February 20, 2016, 10:28:05 AM »

I wonder if St. Francis's remarks about trump where metaphorically?    In either case the pope is obviously a uniter, Donald Trump is a divider.   Anyone who  criticize him is stupid and an enemy to be destroyed!  Town halls are really where you get to here out the candidates.  I was pleasantly surprised with what Jeb Bush and John Kaisich had to offer and how they were successful in balancing budgets and reducing deficits as governors.

Here are some quotes I found inspiring in this climate of division by Cruz, Rubio, Carson, and Trump .   The quotes were copied from http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/tag/division

"When there is no enemy within, the enemies outside cannot hurt you.”
― Winston S. Churchill

All for one and one for all, united we stand divided we fall.”
― Alexandre Dumas, The Three Musketeers


"To vastly improve your country and truly make it great again, start by choosing a better leader. Do not let the media or the establishment make you pick from the people they choose, but instead choose from those they do not pick. Pick a leader from among the people who is heart-driven, one who identifies with the common man on the street and understands what the country needs on every level. Do not pick a leader who is only money-driven and does not understand or identify with the common man, but only what corporations need on every level.

Pick a peacemaker. One who unites, not divides. A cultured leader who supports the arts and true freedom of speech, not censorship. Pick a leader who will not only bail out banks and airlines, but also families from losing their homes -- or jobs due to their companies moving to other countries. Pick a leader who will fund schools, not limit spending on education and allow libraries to close. Pick a leader who chooses diplomacy over war. An honest broker in foreign relations. A leader with integrity, one who says what they mean, keeps their word and does not lie to their people. Pick a leader who is strong and confident, yet humble. Intelligent, but not sly. A leader who encourages diversity, not racism. One who understands the needs of the farmer, the teacher, the doctor, and the environmentalist -- not only the banker, the oil tycoon, the weapons developer, or the insurance and pharmaceutical lobbyist.

Pick a leader who will keep jobs in your country by offering companies incentives to hire only within their borders, not one who allows corporations to outsource jobs for cheaper labor when there is a national employment crisis. Choose a leader who will invest in building bridges, not walls. Books, not weapons. Morality, not corruption. Intellectualism and wisdom, not ignorance. Stability, not fear and terror. Peace, not chaos. Love, not hate. Convergence, not segregation. Tolerance, not discrimination. Fairness, not hypocrisy. Substance, not superficiality. Character, not immaturity. Transparency, not secrecy. Justice, not lawlessness. Environmental improvement and preservation, not destruction. Truth, not lies.

Most importantly, a great leader must serve the best interests of the people first, not those of multinational corporations. Human life should never be sacrificed for monetary profit. There are no exceptions. In addition, a leader should always be open to criticism, not silencing dissent. Any leader who does not tolerate criticism from the public is afraid of their dirty hands to be revealed under heavy light. And such a leader is dangerous, because they only feel secure in the darkness. Only a leader who is free from corruption welcomes scrutiny; for scrutiny allows a good leader to be an even greater leader.

And lastly, pick a leader who will make their citizens proud. One who will stir the hearts of the people, so that the sons and daughters of a given nation strive to emulate their leader's greatness. Only then will a nation be truly great, when a leader inspires and produces citizens worthy of becoming future leaders, honorable decision makers and peacemakers. And in these times, a great leader must be extremely brave. Their leadership must be steered only by their conscience, not a bribe.”
― Suzy Kassem, Rise Up and Salute the Sun: The Writings of Suzy Kassem

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« Reply #51 on: February 21, 2016, 04:17:15 AM »

Many thanks MooseMom , Michael Murphy and hatedialysis2 for your thoughtful comments ... and I stand corrected....
...nevertheless, even though the wall around the Vatican was built ages ago (847-855 ?) , so was the Berlin Wall (August 13, 1961) and the Berlin Wall is no longer...
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« Reply #52 on: February 24, 2016, 08:42:18 AM »

I don't know anything about Donald Trump's business interests, but I am wondering if he does become the GOP nominee and/or becomes President, will he have to sell off any of his assets or change his business practices in any way to avoid conflicts of interest?  Anyone know?
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« Reply #53 on: February 24, 2016, 10:10:04 AM »

I don't know anything about Donald Trump's business interests, but I am wondering if he does become the GOP nominee and/or becomes President, will he have to sell off any of his assets or change his business practices in any way to avoid conflicts of interest?  Anyone know?
Here is a peek at 'the maybe':
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Donald Trump won't put his multi-billion dollar business empire into a blind trust to avoid any conflicts of interest if he's elected president of the United States. Instead, his three oldest children will run it, Trump said during Thursday's GOP debate.

"I couldn't care less about my company," Trump said. "It's peanuts."

Trump said he would not be involved in any business decisions and daughter Ivanka, 34, and sons Don, 38, and Eric, 32, would "run it with my executives."

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@http://donald-trump.leadstories.com/414901-donald-trump-blind-trust.html

Aside from any of my political leanings, I would find it a rare attribute in any politician, to be totally truthful and honest.
At least is how I view most elected officials, at all levels of government.
Ha, all feelings and thoughts here are based on the past and current Chicago and Illinois politicians.
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« Reply #54 on: February 24, 2016, 10:26:03 AM »

Thanks for that, talker; I had heard that he plans to hand things over to his kids, but I'd forgotten, so thanks for the reminder.

And yes, I know what you are saying about Chicago and Illinois politicians.  I have no idea what Rauner and the state legislature is going to do about the budget.
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« Reply #55 on: March 03, 2016, 02:10:06 PM »

Well, here we are with the beginnings of an "Anti-Trump" movement, officially starting off with Mitt Romney's speech today.  How do you all feel about this?
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« Reply #56 on: March 03, 2016, 02:31:10 PM »

The real question is what is going to come out in the New York State lawsuit over the Trump University.  It looks like it will be going on throughout the election year.  36000 for a picture with a cut out of the Donald and a useless set of lessons.
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« Reply #57 on: March 03, 2016, 02:54:37 PM »

If Trump wins the presidency, I hope he can be as effective in screwing the Iranians as he was in screwing his so-called students.

There is another interesting story about a buyer who lost over $350K on a condo deposit in Trump development, only to find out Trump was not the developer (he just licensed use of his name) and bore no liability.
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« Reply #58 on: March 04, 2016, 04:19:14 AM »

Well, here we are with the beginnings of an "Anti-Trump" movement, officially starting off with Mitt Romney's speech today.  How do you all feel about this?

However you feel about Mr Trump ........ Mitt Romney had his day and IMHO should stay the heck out of it!
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« Reply #59 on: March 04, 2016, 09:50:06 AM »

The number of people who have been mistreated by trump or his organization is enormous.  One of the news show did a story on a trump condo complex in Panama. They were running a hotel in the complex and also were managing the condos.  For several years thr trump organization billed hotel expenses to the condo owners.  Finally the owners got together and threw trump out.  Trump responded by sueing  the condo owners for 75 million.  The list of people who have been damaged by him is long.
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« Reply #60 on: March 05, 2016, 01:12:09 PM »

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The number of people who have been mistreated by trump or his organization is enormous.
Lets hope he can use this skill in dealing with Iran.
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« Reply #61 on: March 06, 2016, 12:11:25 PM »

I am afraid of trump ! Everything is going along fine for us, medical, SS checks, Rx affordable, not in a high income group, so no taxes,  l think Obama has done an outstanding job, in spite of Repubs blocking all his ideas ! A the very least, he cares about people !   My hopeful choice is Hillary to keep it going !  All that stuff about emails is stupid, she wouldn't do anything illegal, what would it benefit her ? It's Repubs trying to take her out .
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« Reply #62 on: April 12, 2016, 10:17:11 PM »

Everyone needs to get on the Trump Train to prevent the Hildabeast from taking over!

 :bandance;  :2thumbsup;  :clap; :beer1;
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« Reply #63 on: April 13, 2016, 08:38:56 AM »

Everyone needs to get on the Trump Train to prevent the Hildabeast from taking over!

 :bandance;  :2thumbsup;  :clap; :beer1;
Trump is low life scum who takes pride in F'ing people over in business deals.  Just look at his history of harassing people in a rent controlled building he bought to get them out, or how people lost  hundreds of thousands in deposits on a banrupt Trump condo - only to find out it was a "name licensing" not backed by Trump at all.  And then there is the complete ignorance of the constitution he demonstrates with some of his proposals.

That being said, you are absolutely right.  The Hildabeast must be stopped at the ballot box at all costs.
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« Reply #64 on: April 13, 2016, 09:50:04 AM »

My position since this election season began has been ABH......... ANYBODY BUT HILLARY!
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« Reply #65 on: April 13, 2016, 02:47:33 PM »

Give Bernie Sander a lookover.  He has held a consistent counter-establishment position for decades.  He believes the system is rigged against us (as do I) and will fight to bring us back to some sound values and priorities. He is honest, consistent and is for We the People not we the billionaires. 
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« Reply #66 on: April 13, 2016, 06:24:51 PM »

 I will say this for Bernie when AT&T in 1999 froze my pension to 1992 and changed my pension to a cash balance that was illegal. Bernie was the only one in Congress who spoke out about it.  George Bush the lesser had the IRS hold back ruling on the change until AT&T became the biggest Corporate donor to Republican Congress candidates. When the Republicans got enough votes the made what was done retroactively legal but banned it for the future.  Effectively AT&T pocketed billions and I was laid off  in 2004 with the exact pension benefits I had in 1992. This cut my pension in half.  Now I have a reduced pension, a absolute loathing for republicans  and a soft spot for Bernie. 
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« Reply #67 on: April 13, 2016, 10:38:10 PM »

Personally, I dont think anyone on earth that has been in business or politics is Snow White. Many have nothing but bad to say about The Donald and many have nothing but good to say. I just personally like most of what he has to say. There are at this moment 5 people running for the same job. Bernie Sanders is a nice old man. Hillary Clinton is an ungodly witch. John Kasich is a do nothing guy and Lyin Ted is just that. This is all my HO and I know a lot of you won't agree with it. But, you can all argue until the cows come home and we will see who will be being sworn in with his hand on the HOLY BIBLE on Jan. 20, 2017. I am betting my .50cents on Trump. If you are on the side of the people who want our country to be great again you will put your .50cents up too.
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« Reply #68 on: April 14, 2016, 07:23:10 AM »

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I am betting my .50cents on Trump. If you are on the side of the people who want our country to be great again you will put your .50cents up too.

If by "great again" you mean a return to unbridled hate, white supremacy, xenophobia, and misogyny with a man at the helm who is totally ignorant about the ways of the world and our constitution, then Trump's the man. Trump is a thug. Pure and simple.

I agree with some of the things he says, e.g. that the Iraq war was a colossal mistake, and that the system is rigged.  But even a clock is right twice a day.  For many of the same positions-- but in the hands of a rational, sane, experienced man, my vote goes to Sanders.  We should all be as "old" as he is and able to keep up wit with a non-stop campaign schedule.
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« Reply #69 on: April 14, 2016, 11:25:37 AM »

If by "great again" you mean a return to unbridled hate, white supremacy, xenophobia, and misogyny with a man at the helm who is totally ignorant about the ways of the world and our constitution, then Trump's the man. Trump is a thug. Pure and simple.
:thumbup;  I agree.
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« Reply #70 on: April 14, 2016, 12:54:02 PM »


If by "great again" you mean a return to unbridled hate, white supremacy, xenophobia, and misogyny with a man at the helm who is totally ignorant about the ways of the world and our constitution, then Trump's the man. Trump is a thug. Pure and simple.

Well said K&S!
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« Reply #71 on: April 14, 2016, 03:22:10 PM »

Actually, the era you are describing is right now!!! In MY HO, all or mostly brought on by our current POTUS who has divided this nation to a point it was at when the Civil War was fought. If you want to describe Trump as a thug, that works for me too, because the nations whose behinds we are kissing need a thug to straighten their butts out.
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« Reply #72 on: April 14, 2016, 03:57:34 PM »

Actually, the era you are describing is right now!!! In MY HO, all or mostly brought on by our current POTUS who has divided this nation to a point it was at when the Civil War was fought. If you want to describe Trump as a thug, that works for me too, because the nations whose behinds we are kissing need a thug to straighten their butts out.

 :thx;  Well said.
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« Reply #73 on: April 14, 2016, 07:12:58 PM »

Everyone needs to get on the Trump Train to prevent the Hildabeast from taking over!

 :bandance;  :2thumbsup;  :clap; :beer1;
Trump is low life scum who takes pride in F'ing people over in business deals.  Just look at his history of harassing people in a rent controlled building he bought to get them out, or how people lost  hundreds of thousands in deposits on a banrupt Trump condo - only to find out it was a "name licensing" not backed by Trump at all.  And then there is the complete ignorance of the constitution he demonstrates with some of his proposals.

That being said, you are absolutely right.  The Hildabeast must be stopped at the ballot box at all costs.

NONSENSE! Have you started with a few million and became a BILLIONAIRE? Trump has accomplished more than you ever could in your WILDEST dreams! America has not had a businessman in the white house in many DECADES! Aren't you sick and tired of governors and senators over and over for president? We need something else for a change! Just give him 4 years and if it doesn't work out the people will vote him out!
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« Reply #74 on: April 14, 2016, 07:18:41 PM »

If Trump is elected, his advisers will be working overtime saying things like "You can't say that Mr President", "This is what will happen if we do that", "No, you can't actually do that Mr President".     If the Hildebeast is elected, she will be working overtime to disarm me and take my assets to transfer to some welfare person or pay for more Obamaphones (an abomination that should never have been created).

So, government by un-named back room advisors or Hillary.   Not much of a choice.
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