Mr. Donald Trump ?

[DialysisGoneFOREVER]

Actually, the era you are describing is right now!!! In MY HO, all or mostly brought on by our current POTUS who has divided this nation to a point it was at when the Civil War was fought. If you want to describe Trump as a thug, that works for me too, because the nations whose behinds we are kissing need a thug to straighten their butts out.

EXACTLY! Race relations are at a 4 decade LOW thanks to Obummer! Black unemployment is much worse under Obama than before he came to office! Even prominent black PBS journalist said he's VERY disappointed with Obama because blacks are worse off in every category under Obummer! EVERY category!

Trump would do more for blacks & minorities than Obummer could do in his wildest dreams!! The brother of civil rights icon Medgar Evers has endorsed Trump! Other prominent black supporters of Trump include world famous neurosurgeon Ben Carson, Herman Cain, & Omarosa. Also google "Diamond and Silk" to see 2 everyday black women who have a large following who LOVE Trump!

Even Tavis Smiley said Trump could get about 20 percent of the black vote which is a LOT more than any other GOP candidate has gotten! It is pure NONSENSE that Trump is racist! Explain how the brother of a CIVIL RIGHTS icon supports Trump?

Pathetic liberals have NO argument except give everyone free stuff and open the borders to drive down wages! So you race bait and SCREAM racism all day! That's one reason why race relations are at such a LOW point! Americans are SICK & TIRED of race baiting and don't want to hear it anymore!!

[hatedialysis2]

 Back in 2005 I  was sold on trumps real estate course.  When I got hiome with the materials and checked the member only site I quickly realized it was false promises and was worthless.    Even though I was within legal time to get my money  back they gave me the run around.  I had to call an attorney to send them a letter.  I can't tell you how disappointed I was because at that time I thought the world of Trump.   Yes you can make millions as a con artist.   

[Vt Big Rig]

If Trump is elected, his advisers will be working overtime saying things like "You can't say that Mr President", "This is what will happen if we do that", "No, you can't actually do that Mr President".     If the Hildebeast is elected, she will be working overtime to disarm me and take my assets to transfer to some welfare person or pay for more Obamaphones (an abomination that should never have been created).

So, government by un-named back room advisors or Hillary.   Not much of a choice.

Unfortunately this is the most accurate assumption. I fear for our country that this is the best we can do ....... but I must agree with Gone forever..... I am sick of the political class (on all sides) that treats us like idiots, steals from us, does whatever is needed to get re-elected, and show NO SHAME what so ever.

Stay involved ...... if a non politician screws it up even more ....kick him/her out also. I just wish people, including the politicians, would vote for what is good for the country .... which is not always the best for a particular individual.

[DialysisGoneFOREVER]

Back in 2005 I  was sold on trumps real estate course.  When I got hiome with the materials and checked the member only site I quickly realized it was false promises and was worthless.    Even though I was within legal time to get my money  back they gave me the run around.  I had to call an attorney to send them a letter.  I can't tell you how disappointed I was because at that time I thought the world of Trump.   Yes you can make millions as a con artist.

As if established politicians haven't been involved in shady dealings and on a MUCH bigger scale? Look at the Clintons and whitewater or Reagan and Iran/Contra! Those were FAR bigger than Trump's rinky dink real estate course! Reagan & Clinton were both 2 term presidents! Don't forget that many students of Trump universite were satisfied and gave it high approval ratings!

[Simon Dog]

There are numerous examples of Trump screwing people over:


• The Panama development where he billed the condo association in a mixed development for the hotel expenses - and sued the association when it sued him over these charges
  
• The guy who put a few hundred $K down on a Trump condo in FL, only to find that Trump did not back it at all, and bore no liability when it went belly up.  In fact, he was ordered to pay Trumps legal fees.
  
• The apartment building be bought then used every trick in the book, including letting homeless people into vacant units, to get the rent controlled occupants to move
  
• Offering "hand picked" real estate instructors in his class that he had never even met
• Fraudulent calling his school a "University" in states where use of that term had certain legal requirements - which he had not met.
  

If he is elected, I hope for two things:


• That he is as ruthless in dealing with Iran and our so-called trading partners as he has been in his business dealings
• That he uses his business skills to screw our opponents, not the American people

As to shady business deals - Trump has a history of victimizing people, not doing nation level skullduggery.  His morality is "if I can get away without without being indicted, it's the right thing to do".

The Clintons have a history of taking bribes (er, I mean "speaking fees" and "Clinton foundation donations") and slimey dealings (Whitewater), but don't seem to have a history of setting up business deals to screw individuals to extract money from gullible people looking to get rich by taking a "believe you can do it" seminar.

That being said, I fear the Hildebeast and what she can do to the country more than Trump.

[kristina]

... youtube provides us with a most illuminating political campaign trail about Mr. Donald Trump :

"The Fifth Estate 2016 - The Fire Breather: The Rise and Rage of Donald Trump Full"  (41 minutes) ...

... worth watching ... 

[MooseMom]

Dialysisgoneforever, race relations have always been pretty bad, but they are not worse because of Obama, rather, they are worse because of the rest of us.  There is a significant portion of white America that cannot bear the progress symbolized by the election of an African American President for not one but TWO terms of office.  So these people have unleashed their racial resentment and have shielded themselves behind such catch phrases as "We want our country back".  The blatant disrespect....the UNPARALLED disrespect...shown to this man has been embarrassing and has shown the world that the United States of America is just as racist now as ever.  Racism has become OK because people are "tired of being politically correct", whatever the hell that means.  I guess some people want permission to be openly racist or sexist or every other kind of -ist.

If your idea of outspoken members of the black community are people like Herman Cain and Ben "No, I'm not asleep" Carson, well, I need not say more.  Sure, it would have been great if the Obama Administration could have done more for African Americans, but it would have been great if his administration could have done more for ALL people who need help.  But you see, there is this pesky institution called "Congress", and since the GOP has a majority there, nothing is going to be done for anyone.  They won't even allow a vote on a Supreme Court nomination, so what makes you think they are going to help the likes of you?

The election of Obama has removed the veil, and the racists have come out to play.  This American is sick and tired of tirades like yours where you conveniently blame one man for the rise of racism in this country.  People should take responsibility for their own dark racist sentiments instead of projecting them onto our democratically elected president.

Just you watch;  if Hillary Clinton become president, the misogynists will have a field day.  They will want to take their country back to a time where white men make all of the decisions for the rest of us.

Donald Trump is a disaster of a human being.  He truly believes that if he says the same things over and over, louder and louder, people will believe him.  And it looks like he is right.

[MooseMom]

Actually, the era you are describing is right now!!! In MY HO, all or mostly brought on by our current POTUS who has divided this nation to a point it was at when the Civil War was fought.

How exactly has Mr. Obama divided this nation?  It's not him, it's Mitch McConnell.  He is evil incarnate and a racist, and he is bitter because he didn't get his wish to limit Obama to just one turn.  So he turned to a divisive strategy, and he won.  He couldn't stand the idea of a black man in the White House.  And the American people fell for it.   And now we are all paying for it.

[MooseMom]

I have many friends who live abroad.  In fact, I have a friend from Oslo who recently travelled to the US, and we met up in NYC.  She and her fiancé where most keen to ask me about Trump.  They quietly admitted that that most of Europe is laughing at us.  They are dumbfounded and, frankly, worried about if we could actually elect this buffoon to the most powerful position in the world.

I'm sure most Trump supporters don't give a 4X about what the world thinks of us, and therein lies the problem.

Angela Merkel would have Donald Trump for her lunch.

[kickingandscreaming]

Angela Merkel would have Donald Trump for her lunch.

If he, god forbid, wins, I hope she does have him for lunch.  But she'd better be careful about choking getting poisoned by his vitriol.  Not to mention choking on whatever that thing is he has on the top of his head.

In my opinion the only outcome worse than Trump winning would be for Cruz to win.  He is much more intelligent, cunning, radical and evil than Trump, and would have more cooperation from the morons in Congress (especially GPO) than Trump would .

[Michael Murphy]

This is not building up into a good year for republicans.  Already most Republican Senators who are up for reelection have announced they are skipping the convention.  They don't want to be associated with Drumpster or the pending disaster of the fall elections.  The problem for the Repulican party seems to be turn out.  If Hells Toupee is nominated the moderate republicans will probably sit out the election. If he is not nominated the 37 percent of the Republicans who currently support him will sit out the election.  If either senerio happens it will be a bad year to be a Republican canadate in a contested state.

[Simon Dog]

Racism has become OK because people are "tired of being politically correct", whatever the hell that means.  I guess some people want permission to be openly racist or sexist or every other kind of -ist.

Racism is also "if you dislike Obama, you must be a racist".  I would be eager to vote for Colin Powell or Codoleeza Rice for president, because I would expect them to (for the most part) represent my values.  I would have an equal dislike for Obama if he was white, and equal contempt for the Hildebeast if she were male.    It's a cheap shot to say you cannot dislike a black person, or a woman, without being racist or sexist.

Blacks, almost without exception, "voted their race" in the last presidential election.  There was, however, a significant percentage of white voters who voted for Obama because they felt he best represented their interests.   So, which voting block was racist?

I fear Cruz because I don't want our leader to be someone who thinks that America should be a theocracy.

Race baiting is big business, and won't go away as long as there is money and power to be had by claiming racism and oppression.  Just look at the great business Al Sharpton has built shaking down big corporations - make a donation to his charity and he won't denounce your firm as racist.  That being said, I don't think Obama has hads any effect on race relations, and we have a very long way to go.   I know if I am observed carrying a gun, the police reaction will probably be "Sir, I need to see your carry license", but if I were black, I could expect "on the ground mo-fo" at the point of of a gun.  Ditto for being treated as a valued customer rather than a shoplifting suspect when I enter a department store.

[Jean]

Yes indeedy I have heard from many of the far left who say, if you dont like Obama, it is because of his race.I dont like his white side either. I too would vote for Condoleeza Rice or Colin Powell, but they are not running are they.  Yes, I still think this country is so badly divided because Obama clearly favors blacks and Mitch McConnell is not in the office of the highest in the land. Of course, he has a lot of pull, but not more than the POTUS . Obama has pushed lots and lots of crap onto the American people and we are fed up with it. Cruz IS more radical than Trump, but certainly not more intelligent. I too have friends who live abroad and they keep very close watch on the Muslims there and they are not laughing at us at all. they are more afraid than many here, because the Muslim population is growing. Being PC is in regard to " not being able to say Merry Christmas or call our tree a  Christmas Tree because immigrants are " offended". Not being able to pray in school because of only one woman. Donald Trump may be loud, he may at times be crass, he sometimes blows his top, gosh to me that sounds like the old "All American Man" He may have or his company may have screwed some people out of many $$$$$ and nobody likes that. But, the man has a heart of gold and no matter what any one has to say, I still feel he will be the best President this country has ever had.

[MooseMom]

Yes, I still think this country is so badly divided because Obama clearly favors blacks and Mitch McConnell is not in the office of the highest in the land. Of course, he has a lot of pull, but not more than the POTUS . Obama has pushed lots and lots of crap onto the American people and we are fed up with it. Cruz IS more radical than Trump, but certainly not more intelligent. I too have friends who live abroad and they keep very close watch on the Muslims there and they are not laughing at us at all. they are more afraid than many here, because the Muslim population is growing. Being PC is in regard to " not being able to say Merry Christmas or call our tree a  Christmas Tree because immigrants are " offended". Not being able to pray in school because of only one woman. Donald Trump may be loud, he may at times be crass, he sometimes blows his top, gosh to me that sounds like the old "All American Man" He may have or his company may have screwed some people out of many $$$$$ and nobody likes that. But, the man has a heart of gold and no matter what any one has to say, I still feel he will be the best President this country has ever had.

So, black people think Obama has not done enough for them, and white people think he "clearly favors blacks"?   That's interesting.

Which immigrants have you ever met who were offended by the words "Christmas Tree"?  And which one woman is keeping you from praying in school?

Trump is the old "All American Man"?  Oh, that's very interesting!!!  Do you mean to say that you like a more authoritarian personality?  A strongman type of figure?  A father figure of sorts to keep us safe from the monsters under the bed?

What have you seen in Trump that makes you believe he has a heart of gold despite having screwed people out of many $$$$$?  I'm genuinely interested to read your response.  I have met his daughter Ivanka, though, and she seemed to be OK, although she was trying to sell me shoes, so she had to be nice.

[Michael Murphy]

The one Trump I have met and admired is Trumps sister Marion Trump Barry a federal appeals court judge.  Now known as Marion Trump Barry she was Marion Barry until a well known DC mayor made using Trump advisable. She clearly got all the brains in the family.  Donald's reputation as a buisnessman is belied by the simple fact if he had invested his money he inherited from his father In a stock indexed fun he would have more money today then he has made with it.

[Simon Dog]

they are more afraid than many here, because the Muslim population is growing

Places like France may very well face a democratically elected Muslim government in a couple of generations.

But, the man has a heart of gold

I find this hard to believe after seeing how eagerly he screws people in deals.   Those in the rent controlled apartment he tried to clear; or those who got hoodwinked by "Trump University" would also have a hard time believing it.

But, I'll take him over the Hildebeast.

well known DC mayor made using Trump advisable

You mean the mayor who got easily re-elected despite his criminality because of racism 

if he had invested his money he inherited from his father In a stock indexed fun he would have more money today then he has made with it.

He claims he started his business with a $1M loan from his father.  Was there a bigger inheritance?

30 years gain in the S&P 500 was 8.56x; 40 years gain was 20.22x - hardly enough to parlay a $1M loan into billions by index investing.

[kristina]

I have many friends who live abroad.  In fact, I have a friend from Oslo who recently travelled to the US, and we met up in NYC.  She and her fiancé where most keen to ask me about Trump.  They quietly admitted that that most of Europe is laughing at us.  They are dumbfounded and, frankly, worried about if we could actually elect this buffoon to the most powerful position in the world.

I'm sure most Trump supporters don't give a 4X about what the world thinks of us, and therein lies the problem.

Angela Merkel would have Donald Trump for her lunch.

... I am just wondering if it could be that Mr. Donald Trump does not even aim for presidency
but instead he is "only doing a job" to find out about the political mood of the people ?
... This thought just came to me because if he really would be that serious about the presidency,
would he not rather use much more selected words in politically much more correct speeches
and thereby appear much more convincing that he truly is the right man for this position ??
... Just wondering ... 

[kickingandscreaming]

I am just wondering if it could be that Mr. Donald Trump does not even aim for presidency
but instead he is "only doing a job" to find out about the political mood of the people ?

I think he already knows the political mood of a certain demographic. And is willing to ride it.  I actually think he ran because he could.  He has enough money to play games with the system and upset the apple cart (some of which could use some upsetting).  I think it was an ego joke initially.  Then his EGO got the best of him and his narcissism kept him going.  He loves the attention and adulation.  Even the negative attention.  He is a total textbook narcissist-- who is rich, spoiled, and entitled, not to mention coarse and a bully. He loves that he has freaked out so many people. Manipulator-in-Chief.

[Michael Murphy]

His father may have given him 1 million but when the father died he inherited a company worth 40 to 200 million.

[Jean]

Personally, I have only run into one or two immigrants that were offended by the words " Christmas Tree" However, why is it that all the stores and vendors say  "Happy Holidays" Did the American people make that one up. No, afraid not. I surely do wish I could recall the name of the one woman who raised such a fuss about praying in school. She is dead now, but she really went after the schools and of course, they backed down.
Trump is the guy who tells it to you straight and no, he is not a father figure. Don't be insinuating things. Authoritarian personality? Yes, by all means > I want a President who, when he opens his mouth to talk, every one quiets down, And you know he is speaking the truth. Too much to ask? I think not.
Since his entry into the world of politics, and before that he has done many things for many people. Stories I have read in the newspaper, our little old Riverside Press Enterprise. One time his limo broke down and a nice elderly couple stopped and offered to help, if only to give him some water ( they were in the desert area). He paid off their mortgage. Another one was when a child in America needed to be flown across country for medical work, Trump handed his plane over to them and the child was cured and he even paid for the fuel for the plane. Easy for him to do, he has pots and pots of money, but the point is, he did not have to do ANY of this.
I personally think Donald J. is a man among men and I wish him well.







What have you seen in Trump that makes you believe he has a heart of gold despite having screwed people out of many $$$$$?  I'm genuinely interested to read your response.  I have met his daughter Ivanka, though, and she seemed to be OK, although she was trying to sell me shoes, so she had to be nice.
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[iolaire]

The election of Obama has removed the veil, and the racists have come out to play.

I agree.

[Michael Murphy]

What amazes me is the total lack of respect Republicans show the office of the President.  Just reading the words used about Obama, contrast with the outrage Republicans expressed when Doonesbury ran the inside Regans brain strips.  Traditionally at least the office is respected.  Now not so much.  Even when Clinton was in office it was obsurd.  The 5 leaders of the house have all been proven to be guilty of far worse, Hasert being the worst as it turns out he was a pedafile.  All the Republcans can do is obstruct and complain.  Historically the Republican congress reminds me of the congress in 1859.  Can't do anything but complain. Hates Obama care but won't try to fix it.  What amazing piece of legislation have they passed in the last two years.  Now Donald Trump running a campaign of fear, exclusion, priveledge, and spite is leading in the race to be the next Republican Candidate.  If the Republicans are serious shut up and Govern. 

[iolaire]

What amazes me is the total lack of respect Republicans show the office of the President.  Just reading the words used about Obama, contrast with the outrage Republicans expressed when Doonesbury ran the inside Regans brain strips.  Traditionally at least the office is respected.  Now not so much.  Even when Clinton was in office it was obsurd.  The 5 leaders of the house have all been proven to be guilty of far worse, Hasert being the worst as it turns out he was a pedafile.  All the Republcans can do is obstruct and complain.  Historically the Republican congress reminds me of the congress in 1859.  Can't do anything but complain. Hates Obama care but won't try to fix it.  What amazing piece of legislation have they passed in the last two years.  Now Donald Trump running a campaign of fear, exclusion, priveledge, and spite is leading in the race to be the next Republican Candidate.  If the Republicans are serious shut up and Govern.

I do have to balance how I thought about the last Bush with people's views of Obama.  I felt his group was a bunch of cronies who wanted a war to fill their pockets, and I did not respect him.  But I do not think our democratic leaders worked with Bush.

[Michael Murphy]

When he presented his bogus case for war the democrats voted for his request.  Given absolute assurance of WMDs many wish the didn't but support him they did.

[iolaire]

An for those of you who think Trump is a straight shooter who answers to no-one, its good to remember that his pool of hires for the campaign is from the same cesspool of lobbyists as the rest of them:
Top Trump aide lobbied for Pakistani spy front
https://www.yahoo.com/news/top-trump-aide-lobbied-for-1409744144007222.html

If he is elected who will he hire and how will they be any different than anyone else would hire?

quote:
For more than five years, Donald Trump’s new top campaign aide, Paul Manafort, lobbied for a Washington-based group that Justice Department prosecutors have charged operated as a front for Pakistan’s intelligence service, according to court and lobbying records reviewed by Yahoo News.