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« Reply #225 on: July 24, 2016, 06:04:54 PM »


Watch this MM.  Of course just because it is on Fox News you will say the Mother of Sean Smith is lying:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/10/23/families-benghazi-victims-say-clinton-dishonest.html

Well, that's rather unfair for you to say.  For some reason, that link won't open for me, but nonetheless, I'm not going to accuse a grieving mother of lying.  God will know whether or not Mrs. Smith is lying, and that's enough for me.
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« Reply #226 on: July 24, 2016, 06:09:43 PM »

According to the news today Democrats and Republicans do share one interest; ALL email matters!  :rofl;
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« Reply #227 on: July 24, 2016, 06:35:18 PM »

According to the news today Democrats and Republicans do share one interest; ALL email matters!  :rofl;

And thank goodness that DWS is going!  Thank you, WikiLeaks!!

In any case, it doesn't really matter because I personally believe that Trump will win and the US version of Brexit will begin.  And we won't have two years to faff about with any Article 50-style waffling!
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« Reply #228 on: July 25, 2016, 08:27:54 AM »

Is there anywhere on earth that someone tethered to a D machine can move to?
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« Reply #229 on: July 25, 2016, 09:46:56 AM »

 

DWS is now hired by the Clinton Campaign?   :rofl; 
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« Reply #230 on: July 25, 2016, 11:20:12 AM »



DWS is now hired by the Clinton Campaign?   :rofl;

No.
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« Reply #231 on: July 25, 2016, 11:35:19 AM »

Is there anywhere on earth that someone tethered to a D machine can move to?

Many places, including most all of the civilized planet including Canada, Europe and many parts of Asia.  In fact some countries offer better treatment that the us.  For example, there is always a neph on duty in Italian clinics.

The problem is that many, perhaps even most, won't have someone else pay for your treatment.
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« Reply #232 on: July 25, 2016, 01:51:44 PM »

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The problem is that many, perhaps even most, won't have someone else pay for your treatment.

So I guess I'm stuck here. :'(
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« Reply #233 on: July 25, 2016, 01:57:37 PM »

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The problem is that many, perhaps even most, won't have someone else pay for your treatment.

So I guess I'm stuck here. :'(

No don't worry, most European countries (incl Italy) the patient doesn't pay.
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« Reply #234 on: July 25, 2016, 03:47:53 PM »

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Even if you're not a citizen?
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« Reply #235 on: July 25, 2016, 06:03:52 PM »

I go to watch some news today and what do I see? Chaos at the DNC.
Irony of the day? Dem Representative Marcia Fudge saying "We are all Democrats and we need to act like it!"  uh, yeah!  :2thumbsup;
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« Reply #236 on: July 26, 2016, 03:39:50 AM »

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Even if you're not a citizen?

Sorry K&S I assumed you were talking immigration (as in moving) and than being a resident  ;D
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« Reply #237 on: July 26, 2016, 05:25:14 AM »

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Sorry K&S I assumed you were talking immigration (as in moving) and than being a resident  ;D

I was.  It's just that becoming a citizen isn't an overnight process.  And in the meantime, what would I do about D?
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« Reply #238 on: July 26, 2016, 05:40:09 AM »

Not ony that,  but when one has an expensive chronic medical condition like ESRD, can they actually immigrate to the UK? Especially from a country like the US, which has no "real" public healthcare, and as such, no healthcare agreements with other countries? I know we are out of luck when it comes to immigrating to places like Canada, Australia, or New Zealand. I think the only way around it - mayyyyybe is to marry a citizen of one of those countries, and even then, I'm not so sure they'd be willing to take one of us.

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« Reply #239 on: July 26, 2016, 07:10:39 AM »

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Sorry K&S I assumed you were talking immigration (as in moving) and than being a resident  ;D

I was.  It's just that becoming a citizen isn't an overnight process.  And in the meantime, what would I do about D?
What is interesting here is that you are bumping into Trumpism as the obstacle to moving to one of the socialist paradises you are considering fleeing to if the Donald wins.   The unwillingness of another nation to make you the target of income/asset redistribution (via free dialysis to the tune of tens of thousands a year) is indeed a serious obstacle.   I would venture to guess that an illegal immigrant to the US has a better chance of free dialysis than a US citizen moving to a country with national health care.  Kind of ironic.
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« Reply #240 on: July 26, 2016, 07:20:02 AM »

I go to watch some news today and what do I see? Chaos at the DNC.
Irony of the day? Dem Representative Marcia Fudge saying "We are all Democrats and we need to act like it!"  uh, yeah!  :2thumbsup;

Oh, so you missed Senator Booker, Michelle Obama, Paul Simon, Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders, then.  And you also obviously missed the speech by the widow of a veteran who spent her widows' pension on an education from Trump University and got scammed. 
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« Reply #241 on: July 26, 2016, 07:26:04 AM »

And you also obviously missed the speech by the widow of a veteran who spent her widows' pension on an education from Trump University and got scammed.
There is another interesting case where high end condo buyers lost large deposits thinking they were buying a Trump property and in reality bought into a different company that had simply rented the right to use the Trump name (with no performance guarantee from Trump).

Trump plays business by full contact rules, where screw anyone as long as you don't go to prison for it is the order of the day.

If he becomes president, I can only hope that he brings these skills to dealing with Iran and our so-called "trading partners".
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« Reply #242 on: July 26, 2016, 12:27:27 PM »

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Sorry K&S I assumed you were talking immigration (as in moving) and than being a resident  ;D

I was.  It's just that becoming a citizen isn't an overnight process.  And in the meantime, what would I do about D?

When I was on dialysis in CA there were several illegals on dialysis.  Plus one got a free transplant. 
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« Reply #243 on: July 26, 2016, 01:14:12 PM »

When I was on dialysis in CA there were several illegals on dialysis.  Plus one got a free transplant.
CAlifornia or CAnada,eh?
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« Reply #244 on: July 26, 2016, 08:20:07 PM »

Another irony;  Dems erected a SECOND 8 foot wall near the stage at the convention to keep people safe and uh, undesirables out. Say wha???  :rofl; 
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« Reply #245 on: July 27, 2016, 07:26:57 AM »

Why won't Trump release his tax returns?  It is a LIE that he is unable to release them because they are being audited.  The IRS has said that Mr. Trump has the freedom to release his tax returns.  So, why has he not?  If Hillary Clinton refused to release hers, everyone would be in an uproar.  So why are Trump supporters OK with not seeing his returns?

What is Trump hiding?  Does he not support any charities?  Are his businesses not as successful as he has been claiming?  Or is he hiding business dealings with Russia's oligarchs who are the ones who keep Putin in power?

Why do Trump supporters love Vlad so much?  Do they want to abdicate their responsibilities that come with living in a democracy?  Is what they want is some strongman/daddy figure that tells them, "Don't you worry your pretty little empty head about anything because I am going to single-handedly do it for you."?

Here is what Putin has always wanted.  He wants to break up NATO because he wants eastern Europe countries back within Russian influence.  He has started with Crimea.  He also wants to break up the EU, so Brexiteers have played right into his hands.  Putin's soul mate, Donald J. Trump, said that he was pro-Brexit and that he is now questioning the US participation in NATO.  Anyone who votes for Trump must understand that there is a Trump-Putin philosophical alliance.  Trump has no idea that Vladimir Putin is the master puppeteer.

And since Trump has no real interest in governing, we're seeing a Putin-Pence ticket. 
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« Reply #246 on: July 27, 2016, 07:35:28 AM »

Why won't Trump release his tax returns?
My guesses:

1. Charitable deductions that are miniscule relative to income

2. Legal mechanisms use to pay a low effective tax rate

Neither of which would help his "for the people" image.

But, there won't be any foundation that co-incidentally receives million dollar donations for people he subsequently gives political favors to.

People only care about this stuff when the other side does it.  You are right - Trump supporters would be in an uproar if Clinton did not release hers, but Clinton supports would tend to forgive that.  People care more about the type of government a candidate represents (tax and social policy, etc.) than the personal integrity of the individual.
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« Reply #247 on: July 27, 2016, 07:43:41 AM »

Ah, but you see, that's the point.  We are allowed to see information about the Clinton Foundation, and we are also free to come to any conclusions we like.  If you want to believe that the foundation helps people world wide, you can do that.  If not, that's ok, too.

But we can only GUESS, as you say, what Trump is up to.  We know that he is currently being investigated for fraud, we know that Trump University was a scam, but we are not allowed to see his full financial story.  As you say, we can only GUESS.  He thinks we are too stupid to be able to understand his returns because they are "complicated".

Why is there a different standard of transparency for Trump?  He is the one who is crooked.  That's a standard deflection tactic...call someone else "crooked" before they can do the same to you.

He's hiding something big time.  We need to find out what it is.  He needs to release those tax returns before the election.  We really need to know what's going on here.
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« Reply #248 on: July 27, 2016, 08:27:21 AM »

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If you want to believe that the foundation helps people world wide, you can do that.  If not, that's ok, too.
1. I believe the foundation does indeed help people.

2. The fact that the foundation helps people is not inconsistent with the pay to play system
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Why is there a different standard of transparency for Trump?  He is the one who is crooked.  That's a standard deflection tactic...call someone else "crooked" before they can do the same to you.
They are both crooked, just different flavors.
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He's hiding something big time.  We need to find out what it is.  He needs to release those tax returns before the election.  We really need to know what's going on here.
My guess is "legal but sleazy" rather than "criminal".
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« Reply #249 on: July 27, 2016, 12:36:17 PM »

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He's hiding something big time.  We need to find out what it is.  He needs to release those tax returns before the election.  We really need to know what's going on here.

Der Drumpfenfuhrer is heavily tied to Russian money.  He is in debt way beyond his eyeballs and after his bankruptcies has been persona non grata in American banks.  But lots of Russian money has been keeping his "empire" afloat.  Hence the bromance with Vlad (I looked into his soul) Putin.  A very nasty man. Much smarter and wilier than Herr Drumpf.  The Russians probably have him by the financial cajones (if he actually has any).

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I've wanted to focus on unimpeachable, undisputed and publicly known facts. These alone paint a stark and highly troubling picture.

To put this all into perspective, if Vladimir Putin were simply the CEO of a major American corporation and there was this much money flowing in Trump's direction, combined with this much solicitousness of Putin's policy agenda, it would set off alarm bells galore. That is not hyperbole or exaggeration. And yet Putin is not the CEO of an American corporation. He's the autocrat who rules a foreign state, with an increasingly hostile posture towards the United States and a substantial stockpile of nuclear weapons. The stakes involved in finding out 'what's going on' as Trump might put it are quite a bit higher.

There is something between a non-trivial and a substantial amount of circumstantial evidence for a financial relationship between Trump and Putin or a non-tacit alliance between the two men. Even if you draw no adverse conclusions, Trump's financial empire is heavily leveraged and has a deep reliance on capital infusions from oligarchs and other sources of wealth aligned with Putin. That's simply not something that can be waved off or ignored.
   Lots more at: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/trump-putin-yes-it-s-really-a-thing
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