Banning Words?

[iKAZ3D]

Wouldn't it just be nice if everyone could love all races the same and there would be no reason to have racist vocabulary. I mean really we all bleed red. We all have to get through life on earth as we know it. It would just be much easier to look at all races as just another person.

So true Sluff, that is what the Bible states that all men are of one blood.

Please, I beg of you, don't start this here.

Give it a rest kid, we have the first amendment in this country still so even you can state what you wish as well.

As far as my statement in support of what Sluff stated, here is the direct quote:

Acts 17:26     And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth. . .

There is no racism in the eyes of the God of the Bible my friend.

But can't you respect that I don't follow the bible? You have every right to practice all that stuff, but must you bring it up directly on my thread when you know? This is how my situation differs. You're 'speaking' directly to me and yet you know that your 'words' tend to turn off.

Plus, you have SO many resources that claim that all humans are equal. The Constitution, Declaration of Independence, etc.

Why use the one that is quite possibly written by a bunch of loonies who talked to the sky and called it "God"?

[Hemodoc]

Wouldn't it just be nice if everyone could love all races the same and there would be no reason to have racist vocabulary. I mean really we all bleed red. We all have to get through life on earth as we know it. It would just be much easier to look at all races as just another person.

So true Sluff, that is what the Bible states that all men are of one blood.

Please, I beg of you, don't start this here.

Give it a rest kid, we have the first amendment in this country still so even you can state what you wish as well.

As far as my statement in support of what Sluff stated, here is the direct quote:

Acts 17:26     And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth. . .

There is no racism in the eyes of the God of the Bible my friend.

But can't you respect that I don't follow the bible? You have every right to practice all that stuff, but must you bring it up directly on my thread when you know? This is how my situation differs. You're 'speaking' directly to me and yet you know that your 'words' tend to turn off.

Plus, you have SO many resources that claim that all humans are equal. The Constitution, Declaration of Independence, etc.

Why use the one that is quite possibly written by a bunch of loonies who talked to the sky and called it "God"?

Hey, young man, I was talking to Sluff. Get over it. Not a comment meant for you at all.  You truly need an attitude correction. Have you thought of doing some time in the Marines? If not, I think you should.

[willowtreewren]

Peter, Sluff said:

Wouldn't it just be nice if everyone could love all races the same and there would be no reason to have racist vocabulary. I mean really we all bleed red. We all have to get through life on earth as we know it. It would just be much easier to look at all races as just another person.

To which you pushed the bible:

So true Sluff, that is what the Bible states that all men are of one blood.

As this is iKAZ3D's thread originally, and you are quite aware of his lack of religion, I certainly understand his request of

Please, I beg of you, don't start this here.

You then pushed harder with your bible verses.

Then like one of my preschool students who tries to slither past any blame, you absolved yourself by using the excuse that you were talking to Sluff. Then you further show your lack of social grace (as an older person talking to a younger person with less life experience) by saying that HE needs an attitude correction.

A simple apology would have been far more gracious. And ironically, it would have been the perfect opportunity to lead by example in an interchange that replicates the original query in this thread.

[Hemodoc]

Peter, Sluff said:

Wouldn't it just be nice if everyone could love all races the same and there would be no reason to have racist vocabulary. I mean really we all bleed red. We all have to get through life on earth as we know it. It would just be much easier to look at all races as just another person.

To which you pushed the bible:

So true Sluff, that is what the Bible states that all men are of one blood.

As this is iKAZ3D's thread originally, and you are quite aware of his lack of religion, I certainly understand his request of

Please, I beg of you, don't start this here.

You then pushed harder with your bible verses.

Then like one of my preschool students who tries to slither past any blame, you absolved yourself by using the excuse that you were talking to Sluff. Then you further show your lack of social grace (as an older person talking to a younger person with less life experience) by saying that HE needs an attitude correction.

A simple apology would have been far more gracious. And ironically, it would have been the perfect opportunity to lead by example in an interchange that replicates the original query in this thread.

Apologize for stating that is what the Bible states?? Nope, I make no apology for God's Holy Word. If it is offensive to you, just ignore it. And yes, the kid needs an attitude correction as quite a few folks have already stated. Always glad to hear from you.

[MooseMom]

It is with the greatest respect and with, hopefully, a modicum of care that I'd like to say the following:

I don't understand why merely pointing out that the Bible underscores this sentiment of equality and provides one their moral compass is defined as "pushing the Bible".  We all know that it is the Bible that gives Hemodoc his strength and his hope and his comfort and his code for living a happy life, and I don't see why this engenders such hostility.  You've all seen my many discussions with him on this forum, and while he often uses the Bible to provide explanations, at no time have I ever felt he was "pushing" anything on me.

This thread "belongs" to no one.  There is no censorship here unless a poster breaks IHD rules. 

If the original poster's entire premise is that it is arrogant to "ban" words, then isn't it a bit hypocritical to "ban" references to the Bible?

We all of us probably need an attitude adjustment, and I'd wager that just about every 16 year old boy on the planet is particularly in need of one!  LOL!

The original poster assumed that Hemodoc was addressing him while the truth is that he was addressing Sluff.  Even I picked up on that.  If any apology is needed, it should be to Hemodoc.

Referring to the worship to God, whether or not you believe in Him, as "loonies" talking to the sky is unnecessary and ungracious.  A simple apology would be gracious and mature.

[cassandra]

"When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things."

     

[gothiclovemonkey]

im starting to think there are quite a few people here who are hypocrites.

there is a reason that there is free speech, its a good thing. BUT that doesnt mean we cant respect the people we have in our lives. Whether we agree, or disagree, we should still respect one another.

[iKAZ3D]

It is with the greatest respect and with, hopefully, a modicum of care that I'd like to say the following:

I don't understand why merely pointing out that the Bible underscores this sentiment of equality and provides one their moral compass is defined as "pushing the Bible".  We all know that it is the Bible that gives Hemodoc his strength and his hope and his comfort and his code for living a happy life, and I don't see why this engenders such hostility.  You've all seen my many discussions with him on this forum, and while he often uses the Bible to provide explanations, at no time have I ever felt he was "pushing" anything on me.

This thread "belongs" to no one.  There is no censorship here unless a poster breaks IHD rules. 

If the original poster's entire premise is that it is arrogant to "ban" words, then isn't it a bit hypocritical to "ban" references to the Bible?

We all of us probably need an attitude adjustment, and I'd wager that just about every 16 year old boy on the planet is particularly in need of one!  LOL!

The original poster assumed that Hemodoc was addressing him while the truth is that he was addressing Sluff.  Even I picked up on that.  If any apology is needed, it should be to Hemodoc.

Referring to the worship to God, whether or not you believe in Him, as "loonies" talking to the sky is unnecessary and ungracious.  A simple apology would be gracious and mature.

I never said he can't say bible versus. When did I imply that it should be banned?

You have every right to practice all that stuff, but must you bring it up directly on my thread when you know?

He knows to an impressive extent that I do not believe in religion and het he persists to post Bible Quotes. The Bible may give him strength and hope, but to me it has given false hope and death to the world. Religion is nothing but a catalyst to destruction in my eyes. He knows my feelings on that, and yet here we are. Another religious quote, and another religious discussion that I'll never win because religious folks always win. The unreligious people are just bitterly angry at the world, aren't we. US FOLKS JUST NEED JESUS DON'T WE?

I mean no disrespect to the members of iHD, but I expect the same in return, and I haven't gotten it once from Hemodoc. He's way to self absorbed. He does no wrong apparently.

And I did NOT refer to 'God' as a bunch of loonies talking to the sky. You are aware humans wrote the Bible, correct? I said how do we know THEY weren't just looney tunes in that desert when they 'spoke to God'? I implied there could be ANOTHER EXPLANATION. Kindly read between the lines before blatantly finding a further reason to downgrade me.

Peter, Sluff said:

Wouldn't it just be nice if everyone could love all races the same and there would be no reason to have racist vocabulary. I mean really we all bleed red. We all have to get through life on earth as we know it. It would just be much easier to look at all races as just another person.

To which you pushed the bible:

Thank you for the defense.

[MooseMom]

iKAZ3D, if Hemodoc bothers you so much, then why bother interacting with him? 

I would like very much to "talk" to you further, but you tend to be quite defensive and accusatory (why would you think I was "blatantly downgrading" you?), and I'm not in the mood for that right now.  I suspect that most 16 year old boys are quite self-absorbed, so for your own sake, perhaps you should think twice before accusing others of the same thing. 

I wasn't aware that the goal of any discussion on IHD was to "win".  Perhaps that is the source of your problems with Hemodoc.  This is not a competition.  You do not have to prove that your beliefs are wiser or more valid than those of Hemodoc or of anyone else!

[iKAZ3D]

iKAZ3D, if Hemodoc bothers you so much, then why bother interacting with him? 

I would like very much to "talk" to you further, but you tend to be quite defensive and accusatory (why would you think I was "blatantly downgrading" you?), and I'm not in the mood for that right now.  I suspect that most 16 year old boys are quite self-absorbed, so for your own sake, perhaps you should think twice before accusing others of the same thing. 

I wasn't aware that the goal of any discussion on IHD was to "win".  Perhaps that is the source of your problems with Hemodoc.  This is not a competition.  You do not have to prove that your beliefs are wiser or more valid than those of Hemodoc or of anyone else!

No offense is intended, but you are EXACTLY like Jessie. You see the word and jump to a conclusion. "Win" did not mean I want to be the victor of the conversation, the brute of the thread, the king of the forums. When I said I'll never 'win against religion' (you also placed Hemodoc in there for religion which I don't know why you did), I meant that I'll never be looked at other than 'the Athiest'. Am I an Athiest? No. Most people are going to support the Christian no matter what the situation. I'll never wn as in I'll never have support.

Read. Between. And. Through. The. Lines.

I've accused no one here except Hemodoc for pressing his religion too much. So your accusation of me being accusatory is oblique.

[iKAZ3D]

I suspect that most 16 year old boys are quite self-absorbed, so for your own sake, perhaps you should think twice before accusing others of the same thing.

I don't go around claiming to be a highly acclaimed doctor, claim my religion is the right one by quoting my religion, and insist on being right about my religion even when it means telling a sixteen year old HE meeds the attitude adjustment.

[MooseMom]

 I meant that I'll never be looked at other than 'the Athiest'. Am I an Athiest? No. Most people are going to support the Christian no matter what the situation. I'll never wn as in I'll never have support.

This is an extremely interesting statement because (and you may not realize this because you've not been on IHD that long) Hemodoc and other outspoken and evangelical Christians on this site have expressed their belief that they feel persecuted and that Christianity is under fire in this country.

Read. Between. And. Through. The. Lines.

Please don't talk to me like that.   Thanks!

[iKAZ3D]

 I meant that I'll never be looked at other than 'the Athiest'. Am I an Athiest? No. Most people are going to support the Christian no matter what the situation. I'll never wn as in I'll never have support.

This is an extremely interesting statement because (and you may not realize this because you've not been on IHD that long) Hemodoc and other outspoken and evangelical Christians on this site have expressed their belief that they feel persecuted and that Christianity is under fire in this country.

Read. Between. And. Through. The. Lines.

Please don't talk to me like that.   Thanks!

It's on both sides.

Well, I usually make it bigger, but I've been advised not to, sooooooooo, that's my emphasis typing.

[Hemodoc]

 I meant that I'll never be looked at other than 'the Athiest'. Am I an Athiest? No. Most people are going to support the Christian no matter what the situation. I'll never wn as in I'll never have support.

This is an extremely interesting statement because (and you may not realize this because you've not been on IHD that long) Hemodoc and other outspoken and evangelical Christians on this site have expressed their belief that they feel persecuted and that Christianity is under fire in this country.

Read. Between. And. Through. The. Lines.

Please don't talk to me like that.   Thanks!

It's on both sides.

Well, I usually make it bigger, but I've been advised not to, sooooooooo, that's my emphasis typing.

You have much to learn young man.

[iKAZ3D]

 I meant that I'll never be looked at other than 'the Athiest'. Am I an Athiest? No. Most people are going to support the Christian no matter what the situation. I'll never wn as in I'll never have support.

This is an extremely interesting statement because (and you may not realize this because you've not been on IHD that long) Hemodoc and other outspoken and evangelical Christians on this site have expressed their belief that they feel persecuted and that Christianity is under fire in this country.

Read. Between. And. Through. The. Lines.

Please don't talk to me like that.   Thanks!

It's on both sides.

Well, I usually make it bigger, but I've been advised not to, sooooooooo, that's my emphasis typing.

You have much to learn young man.

And you obviously haven't learned much by our conversations.

[WishIKnew]

And I see some of you are still fighting the sharks. 
I have no idea why...

[rocker]

And I see some of you are still fighting the sharks. 
I have no idea why...

Because they are both having a wonderful time at it.

[Jean]

Unfortunately, one of these days you will be shooting your mouth off about some one being "retarded" or otherwise not top of the line, and that person will have a friend who might be waaay bigger than you, like, maybe a big brother or and uncle and kick your posterior right up around your ears. Maybe then, you will understand how rude it is to use offensive words in public .Just not necessary. Maybe getting a new kidney and being well again will give you your attitude adjustment. I seriously hope so. And BTW it is really offensive to me when people bad mouth the Bible. It is the word of God!!!

[iKAZ3D]

Unfortunately, one of these days you will be shooting your mouth off about some one being "retarded" or otherwise not top of the line, and that person will have a friend who might be waaay bigger than you, like, maybe a big brother or and uncle and kick your posterior right up around your ears. Maybe then, you will understand how rude it is to use offensive words in public .Just not necessary. Maybe getting a new kidney and being well again will give you your attitude adjustment. I seriously hope so. And BTW it is really offensive to me when people bad mouth the Bible. It is the word of God!!!

I will not apologize for "bad mouthing" (for which I did not do) the Bible. The Bible bad mouths a lot of people in and of itself. You can believe what you believe, but I'll believe what I believe but don't get offended by what I believe.

That's essentially what you're saying. You're offended by what I believe.

A new Kidney can give me a new conscious mind and change my already existing one? Mine is malfunctioning? Gee, thanks!




Does anyone else want to proclaim me as the ignorant kid? Because I'm getting that viiiiiibe.


Clearly religion wins.

[MooseMom]

iKAZ3D, I don't think anyone can command that another is allowed or not allowed to feel offense. And that's the central problem.  You can control what you say, although you may not want to, but you cannot control the reactions of other people.

Have you never felt offense by what another believes?  You seem to be offended by Hemodoc's beliefs.  How would you respond if he were to tell you, "Don't get offended by what I believe."?

If you go back to what Jean said, you will see that she never used the word "mind".  She used the word "attitude".  She understands that being young and being in ill health can be devastating.  Many people with ESRD, if not most, feel anger, frustration and a host of other emotions that don't always give us the best attitude.  I don't want to put words in her mouth, and Jean, I apologize if this is what I am doing, but I think she is just expressing hope that when you get your kidney and thus become healthier, some of your anger and frustration will dissipate, resulting in a happier outlook on life.

[amanda100wilson]

Look ,just because you started a thread, doesn't mean that it is your thread, but since you obviously think that it is, why don't we just leave you to rant to yourself away to your heart's content?  Maybe someone that you know will apply a derogatory term to you because you have kidney failure, and you will realise that words can hurt.  How do you think that would feel?  Maybe when they do, you can come on here and be all afronted by it. 

[Simon Dog]

Hey, young man, I was talking to Sluff. Get over it. Not a comment meant for you at all.  You truly need an attitude correction. Have you thought of doing some time in the Marines? If not, I think you should.

Does Paris Island have a dialysis clinic on-site so recruits can take time-outs from basic training to get their treatments?   Do they set up clinics in war zones, or are marines with ESRD limited to REMF assignments?

[iKAZ3D]

Look ,just because you started a thread, doesn't mean that it is your thread, but since you obviously think that it is, why don't we just leave you to rant to yourself away to your heart's content?  Maybe someone that you know will apply a derogatory term to you because you have kidney failure, and you will realise that words can hurt.  How do you think that would feel?  Maybe when they do, you can come on here and be all afronted by it.

"Just because you started the thread, doesn't mean it is your thread". Actually, yes it does. If you ask someone "Who's thread it that?" the logical response would be "iKAZ3D's thread!". (using apostrophe s showing possession! A little English lesson for you!)



Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me unless I let them.

I don't let some ignorant duck make some comment hurt me because he can say "YOU CAN'T PEE" and then go and kill myself. That's what people do these days. You obviously blew this out of proportions.

[Gerald Lively]

HONK!  HONK!  Word Police here!!

If one can reason through to the end of this word fight using critical analysis, they will find no bad words. Or, no word is bad.  I meant that using a bad word isn’t so bad.  WELL, F. . .  IT! 

One of my Great Grand Fathers was a religious dude.  He dedicated his life to interpretations of the Hebrew and Greek manuscript versions of the Bible.  He was appointed by King James, along with two others, to write the King James Version of the Bible.  He died at his desk writing some (for the literal) damn (for the easily offended (darn) thing.  Yes, Fast Eddie (Edward Lively) was damned working on the Bible, he left an impoverished wife and eleven kids. Thus ended his part in writing the great fable.

He clearly wasn’t “darned”.  The only real word version of “darn”  is to patch the holes in your socks.  They don’t do that anymore, do they?  The word Damn is much better.

Remember diagramming a sentence?  Where do you put the “F” word?  I always put it on a vertical line above the body of the sentence because it is a word that dominates.  I could be on a line straight up, but most of us are getting older, so some droop is allowed. 

Okay, all you word geeks: If you were paying attention, I made fun of the Bible, of wordsmithing and I didn’t even us my best jokes.  I suppose there is a point to all this, it has more to do with the intent behind the utterance than the word itself.

Best true example I could think of:  I had a bad pain in my left side and my abdomen stuck way out there.  Doctor had x-rays.  On the phone he said my colon was full to the top, I was full of excrement.  I answered, Are you telling me that I’m full of shit?  And we both had a big laugh. Intent is everything.

Six months later his diagnosis proved incorrect, it was cancer, not poop.

gl

[Jean]

You bad mouth my bible when you say it was written by a bunch of people gazing at the stars. It was actually written by people who were there when it happened and they are eye witnesses. As far as you being in a state of not having a conscious mind, don't you realize that you are? Don't you understand that as the toxins remain in your body you get sicker and sicker and are LESS YOURSELF?? Most people know and, so do I, that you have had more surgeries than a kid like you should have and you have been thru more than most your age. The fact that you are ill does not give you license to knock down other people beliefs and no one has the right to knock down yours. A little gentle persuasion is needed for you, and in the mean time, think about what you are saying, especially to Hemodoc. He is a tad on the gabby side, but he is a good solid Christian. Maybe if you let it sit long enough you will understand what he is trying to tell you. No "putting you down or trying to make you feel childish is intended". Oh, and BTW, I have raised 10 children, so I know what teenagers are like and I lived thru it all.