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« on: February 25, 2012, 12:18:51 AM »

There is no GOD and having that notion is a stupid idea.

How can the world be so cruel?

Other people have better opportunities,

Other people rant about being on dialysis but they are lucky enough to get dialysis, stupid people don't they know I do not even have the money for dialysis, I do not have kidney donor nor do I have the money for kidney transplant. I would probably be dead tomorrow.

All hopeless, all false promises, it is unfair, Only the rich people get to live while the poor just die.

I do not even have money for stem cell treatments and even that is still not a guarantee.

The rapist and the murderers have better life in jail.
I am trap inside the house because I am paralyze.

But someone like me who has not committed a crime and was **** and ********* ******* person in childhood is now the one suffering and being penalize with a death penalty of KIDNEY disease.

I hate the world, I hate everyone. Shit. 

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« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2012, 08:05:26 AM »

I am so sorry for you Achemist. I will ask my dad to say some prayers for you, because there won't be anything I can do. Lots of strength A, love Cas
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« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2012, 10:13:54 AM »

I am so sorry that you find yourself in such a position, hating the world and hating everyone.  I suppose I would be the same, but I was fortunate enough to contact Jesus the Christ.  He is the only One who can make sense of this existence.  I wish you would call upon Him.  Just say 'Oh Lord Jesus!'
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« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2012, 10:38:10 AM »

There is no GOD and having that notion is a stupid idea.

But someone like me who has not committed a crime... is now the one suffering and being penalize with a death penalty of KIDNEY disease.

So wait a minute... if there is no 'God' then who exactly is "penalizing" you?
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« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2012, 11:09:39 AM »

Alchemist,  That is what this site is for.  Venting.  Right now I'm having back problems and I've never had back problems.  I can hardly move and what the hell and I supposed to do.  I have no one to help and my damn dogs can't even go get my slippers for me.  They just sit there... dah!  Gosh can't they feed me for once! 

There is a God and I claim that promise of life with not pain or suffering in eternity.      :bow;

You may feel better tomorrow.  Or we could go rob a bank and have the good life.   :laugh:
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« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2012, 11:49:59 AM »

I would much rather believe in GOD because (besides His promises) then I have someone I can get angry with! I didn't do this to myself and there are some days I feel just like you and hate everybody and everything.
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« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2012, 01:58:41 PM »

Hi Alchemist I did some research for you, and sincerely hope that it could give you some help (cos even I believe that God helps people that help themselves. Here are a few things I found online under "Philippines medical assistance" for medical assistance in the Philippines only;

1. Philippine Charity Sweepstakes http://www.pcso.gov.ph/imap.html
Helps patients to pay medical bills.

2. Senator Sergio R. Osmeña III, helping citizens to get medical care http://www.senate.gov.ph/senators/sen_bio/sosmena_bio.asp

3. List of charities in the Philippines http://www.ask.com/wiki/List_of_charities_in_the_Philippines

4. Government medical assistance program: EdEdangara.com website, call him and ask if you cannot find it online, he does have a program for medical assistance.

5. National Kidney and Transplant Institute at: nkti.gov.ph/, call their administration office and ask if they know of anyone who can help your sister.

6. Philippine General Hospital at pgh.gov.ph/. Hospitals can often refer you to help for paying medical bills.

I am sorry, tried to provide the links to all of these, but the "ask" would not allow me more than 3 links so you will have to put www in front of the website addresses w/o links, but you can also look these up online.

I would call medical centers, government offices, hospitals and anyone who you think might be able to help you.

Good luck Cas



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1998 lost dads kidney, start PD
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2012 start Nxstage home hemo
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« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2012, 03:10:40 PM »

alchemist, I'm so sorry that your life is so sh!tty.  Some of us are so very blessed to live in countries which have the means to give us good (or at least adequate) healthcare and (believe me) we DO know this.  I hope that some of cassandra's (what a sweetheart!) links are of help to you.

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I have no one to help and my damn dogs can't even go get my slippers for me.  They just sit there... dah!  Gosh can't they feed me for once! 
Those blasted dogs, Rerun! They're all take, take, take ...
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« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2012, 11:58:31 AM »


I have no one to help and my damn dogs can't even go get my slippers for me.  They just sit there... dah!  Gosh can't they feed me for once! 
Those blasted dogs, Rerun! They're all take, take, take ...
My cat ignores me until SHE wants something! And the only thing the dog brings me is his toy! Selfish creatures!    :rofl;
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« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2012, 05:27:28 PM »


I have no one to help and my damn dogs can't even go get my slippers for me.  They just sit there... dah!  Gosh can't they feed me for once! 
Those blasted dogs, Rerun! They're all take, take, take ...
My cat ignores me until SHE wants something! And the only thing the dog brings me is his toy! Selfish creatures!    :rofl;

Hell, at least you guys got creatures to holler at!   :Kit n Stik;
All I got is Hubby and I can't very well smack him around or CAN I? lol   :rofl;

God Bless,
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« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2012, 12:25:59 AM »

Right, there is no God.  You are responsible for yourself, dingleflop.  Try walking in my shoes. 
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« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2012, 02:12:04 AM »


You may feel better tomorrow.  Or we could go rob a bank and have the good life.   :laugh:

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...I really could do with a little luck and money...  :laugh:
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« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2012, 11:03:53 PM »

Right, there is no God.  You are responsible for yourself, dingleflop.  Try walking in my shoes.

 :rofl; AGREED!!

You know at first I was thinking to myself the other day that I'm getting frustrated because of waiting for a transplant, and I'm tired of being on Dialysis...and I got on my computer and wrote a "rant post" about those frustrations, on here, this website. And much to my delight I got some feedback from others in a situation similar to mine, and it made me realize that I had support, and others had been in my shoes, or at lease tried on some very similar ones to my own. 

And even though I complain sometimes about having to deal with Dialysis, and medication, and life-changing symptoms, I realize that I am lucky to have more insurance than others, or more care from doctors, and a support system that does care.  But by no means am I rich... I think once you get ESRD you're doomed to pay out any and all money you can get to premium payments and hospital bills that aren't covered...(that will be another rant I'm sure...coming soon ;)  ). 

I don't know anything about government programs near you Alchemist, but if you're that determined to hate the world as I think you are, then you should be that determined to go and search out some solutions for yourself. 
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« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2012, 08:12:23 AM »

Right, there is no God.  You are responsible for yourself, dingleflop.  Try walking in my shoes.

 :rofl; AGREED!!

You know at first I was thinking to myself the other day that I'm getting frustrated because of waiting for a transplant, and I'm tired of being on Dialysis...and I got on my computer and wrote a "rant post" about those frustrations, on here, this website. And much to my delight I got some feedback from others in a situation similar to mine, and it made me realize that I had support, and others had been in my shoes, or at lease tried on some very similar ones to my own. 

And even though I complain sometimes about having to deal with Dialysis, and medication, and life-changing symptoms, I realize that I am lucky to have more insurance than others, or more care from doctors, and a support system that does care.  But by no means am I rich... I think once you get ESRD you're doomed to pay out any and all money you can get to premium payments and hospital bills that aren't covered...(that will be another rant I'm sure...coming soon ;)  ). 

I don't know anything about government programs near you Alchemist, but if you're that determined to hate the world as I think you are, then you should be that determined to go and search out some solutions for yourself.
Wow. This really has me shaking my head. The original poster lives in the Philippines where, according to him, people who cannot afford dialysis are sent home to die. I know nothing of his country, but I do know that this absolutely happens in countries such as South Africa. This is on an entirely different level to what we experience in the West. I suspect he would gladly trade places with almost anyone else here. He has been at times angry and abrasive, and lashed out at other members, but I think in his circumstance it is misdirected anger and more understandable than most. 

Any of us who have received support when we are down have little place to judge his reaction. English is obviously not his native language, either, which can make for further misunderstanding. If you cannot offer support it behooves anyone to at least do a touch of research into the person before posting. It's a support group. Remember why you joined.... and why you stayed. 
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« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2012, 07:12:00 PM »

Cariad- You're right, and I apologize to the site, and to Alchemist (Alchemist I am sorry for taking such an unkind word to your plight).  I've read many of the posts and far be it for me to judge, but  even though it wasn't personally directed at me, I took offense because it felt as though the negativity is directed at those of us receiving care.  I know it must be nearly impossible to be positive in your situation Alchemist, and again I apologize. 
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March 2011- PD Catheter Removal (Due to malfunction)
April 2011- PD Catheter Placement on Right Side
April 2011- Surgery to adjust Catheter and "tacking of fatty tissue"
May 2011- CCPD Started
October 2012- Infection of PD catheter.  PD Cath. removal surgery. Perma-Cath. Placed for Hemodialysis.
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« Reply #16 on: March 08, 2012, 08:50:37 PM »

Right, there is no God.  You are responsible for yourself, dingleflop.  Try walking in my shoes.

 :rofl; AGREED!!

You know at first I was thinking to myself the other day that I'm getting frustrated because of waiting for a transplant, and I'm tired of being on Dialysis...and I got on my computer and wrote a "rant post" about those frustrations, on here, this website. And much to my delight I got some feedback from others in a situation similar to mine, and it made me realize that I had support, and others had been in my shoes, or at lease tried on some very similar ones to my own. 

And even though I complain sometimes about having to deal with Dialysis, and medication, and life-changing symptoms, I realize that I am lucky to have more insurance than others, or more care from doctors, and a support system that does care.  But by no means am I rich... I think once you get ESRD you're doomed to pay out any and all money you can get to premium payments and hospital bills that aren't covered...(that will be another rant I'm sure...coming soon ;)  ). 

I don't know anything about government programs near you Alchemist, but if you're that determined to hate the world as I think you are, then you should be that determined to go and search out some solutions for yourself.
Wow. This really has me shaking my head. The original poster lives in the Philippines where, according to him, people who cannot afford dialysis are sent home to die. I know nothing of his country, but I do know that this absolutely happens in countries such as South Africa. This is on an entirely different level to what we experience in the West. I suspect he would gladly trade places with almost anyone else here. He has been at times angry and abrasive, and lashed out at other members, but I think in his circumstance it is misdirected anger and more understandable than most. 

Any of us who have received support when we are down have little place to judge his reaction. English is obviously not his native language, either, which can make for further misunderstanding. If you cannot offer support it behooves anyone to at least do a touch of research into the person before posting. It's a support group. Remember why you joined.... and why you stayed.

Cariad, you are very nice, the other posts were making me sad, in many parts of the world dialysis is a luxrury and if you have no money you just die. It isn't always a choice.
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« Reply #17 on: March 09, 2012, 01:41:32 AM »


Countries like the Philippines, South Africa etc. have a bad reputation in terms of Human Rights
whereas countries like America, England etc. (still) have a good reputation in terms of Human Rights etc.,

...and if one examines these matters, one realizes that as long as the economical situation is going well,
all might be well, but as soon as there is an economical “hiccup” in any of the “civilized” countries,
“civilisation” quickly deteriorates into “elbow-Darwinism” or “survival of the fittest”.

For example, here in London the costs for the Olympics have been totally “miscalculated”
and cost £2 Billion more than originally estimated. Money has become very, very tight.

As a result I have been forced to pay for my own medical care privately for many years.
One of the reasons why I am being discriminated against
is because I suffer from a very rare genetically inherited disease
which is the reason for my ESRF with 10-12% kidney function
and no NHS doctor to go to.

Of course, I am entitled to NHS medical care by law,
but my grim reality has been totally different for many years.
I have gone through all the complaints procedures unsuccessfully
and there is no office, no organization and no charity to help or assist me.

One of my neighbours is being looked after and fed by other neighbours.
She is over 70 years old and really should get help from the state.
By law she is entitled to financial help from the state,
but she cannot “elbow” her way through the many local offices
and there is no organization and no charity to help her either (not even “Help The Aged”).
This neighbour of mine is discriminated against because of her age.

 I can’t really see much difference between her situation, my situation or Alchemist's situation.

The only difference is perhaps, that in Alchemist’s case we can blame “the Philippines”,
whereas in the case of my neighbour and myself, we are being considered as failures
because we cannot “elbow” our way through a corrupt system.

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« Reply #18 on: March 09, 2012, 04:58:07 AM »

Krisina, you paying for medical care has nothing to do with the Olympics or money being tight. V
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« Reply #19 on: March 09, 2012, 06:34:45 AM »


Hello, amanda,

could you please explain what you mean ?

Thanks from Kristina.
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« Reply #20 on: March 09, 2012, 08:01:48 AM »

Kristina, do you really think this is the place for this? You have been over and over your story on this site and repeatedly shoot down any and all suggestions.

The simple fact is you have access to medical care but choose not to avail yourself of any of your options. At first you stated that it was because of unwanted sexual advances from doctors and unhygienic practices, now you claim it has to do with the Olympics. You are lucky to live in England and not the Philippines. Comparing your situation to a place where citizens are simply sent home to die is offensive. If you needed dialysis you could get it tonight. Choosing to refuse medical services, while entirely within your rights, is not analogous to the circumstances of the poor in the developing world.
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« Reply #21 on: March 09, 2012, 12:38:06 PM »



cariad, I gave you no reason to attack me personally for the comments I made.

I really can’t see much difference between my neighbour’s situation, alchemist’s situation

or my situation because it does not seem to matter where you live when you are down on your luck.
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« Reply #22 on: March 09, 2012, 01:31:03 PM »

Kristina, Obviously, I have no proof one way or another as to what you say is real or not, since we only have your word for it, but when you make allegations about multiple doctors acting in unprofessional ways and/or making unwelcome sexual advances to you, any doctor (good or bad) is likely to 'run' in the opposite direction for fear of being accused of malpractice.  That may be why you find it so hard to get anyone to provide you with medical care.

Your situation no way resembles that of Alchemist, and others like him.  I am shocked that you would think that there is.

I would like to point out that I have had excellent and highly professional care from doctors in the UK.
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« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2012, 02:00:21 PM »


Hello Amanda,

No NHS doctor would “run in the opposite direction for fear of being accused of malpractice”.

They have nothing to fear because there is a very powerful union to protect NHS doctors
but there is nothing in place to protect NHS patients from abuse by NHS doctors.

If you had excellent and highly professional care from doctors in the UK,
that only means that you had better luck than I had.

That is why I really can’t see much difference between my neighbour’s situation,
alchemist’s situation or my situation because, as I have said,
it does not seem to matter where you live when you are down on your luck.

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« Reply #24 on: March 09, 2012, 03:21:57 PM »



cariad, I gave you no reason to attack me personally for the comments I made.

I really can’t see much difference between my neighbour’s situation, alchemist’s situation

or my situation because it does not seem to matter where you live when you are down on your luck.
Kristina, please explain specifically how I attacked you?
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