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« Reply #200 on: November 06, 2012, 10:30:27 AM »

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Similarly, if you have never been a victim of racism yourself, you are not going to be as effective tackling these difficult problems that continue to plague our country.
My only direct experience with racism is a phone call from a fortune 500 company VP who I knew from a previous job who called to say "I got your resume, but I will not waste your time or mine since I could never get a white male hire approved.   I just wanted to make sure you understood it was not a reflection on your skills when you see some of your co-workers (from a company that just folded) receive job offers from my department.
Sorry, this does not really qualify in my book as experiencing racism. One little anecdote over a lifetime, aggravating as it sounds, is not the life experience i was talking about. I was talking about living with the effects of a country's bigotry every day as women and minorities often do. Also, not to pick apart your story, but if the job were really important to me I would have asked that this person feel free to waste my time and then I could see for myself. He sounds disgruntled and like he's making excuses for not putting you forward. Both my husband and I have been on both sides of the trying to get jobs through friends/acquaintances issue and it is awkward and frequently leads to people trying to spare feelings.
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White people who cast a vote for a white man because of his race cannot say that they hope this will lead to improvements in equality. They fear equality, which makes them racist.
I never cast a vote for a white because of his race but, in the only presidential race where the was a racial divide, the candidate that happened to more closely represent my views happened to be white.   I support rather than fear equality.
OK. So you're not a racist. Yay!
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« Reply #201 on: November 06, 2012, 10:46:34 AM »

Ultimately, the reason people think to point to race as the motivation behind hatred of Obama is because the ostensible reasons are suspect. Under George W. Bush, we were saddled with the highest debt in U.S. history, and the majority of our debt is still from prior to Obama's presidency, but there wasn't a peep from anyone about it until the day Obama took office, when it suddenly became the most important issue of our time. The Obama stimulus was "socialism," but the GWB stimulus efforts were not. It's this discepency between the views of two nearly identical presidents that makes one try to find the "real" reason, and racism makes for an easy explanation. If Obama critics showed more consistency in their critiques, the charge of racism wouldn't work as well. But since many of the complaints against Obama are things that happened -- in some ways, like with the debt, to an even greater degree -- under Bush, it makes it difficult to accept these complaints at face value.
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« Reply #202 on: November 06, 2012, 06:21:19 PM »

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He sounds disgruntled and like he's making excuses for not putting you forward.
I had learned long before even thinking of applying to this particular company that "affirmative action points" were a big hiring factor (from people who had worked there for 20+ years, and whom I knew and heard the stories when not in the job market).  I was in a company with several dozen people with a similar set at the time it went belly up, and the only two that were interviewed and hired by this company were those who would contribute to diversity.

This is not the same as generations of subtle racism; being profiled for driving while black; etc. - but there are cases where opportunity to select graduate or professional programs, or access to scholarships is indeed race based.

Selection by race is, by definition, racism.  What is subject to legitimate debate is "what particular flavors of racism are acceptable?".
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« Reply #203 on: November 08, 2012, 12:33:54 PM »

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He sounds disgruntled and like he's making excuses for not putting you forward.
I had learned long before even thinking of applying to this particular company that "affirmative action points" were a big hiring factor (from people who had worked there for 20+ years, and whom I knew and heard the stories when not in the job market).  I was in a company with several dozen people with a similar set at the time it went belly up, and the only two that were interviewed and hired by this company were those who would contribute to diversity.

This is not the same as generations of subtle racism; being profiled for driving while black; etc. - but there are cases where opportunity to select graduate or professional programs, or access to scholarships is indeed race based.

Selection by race is, by definition, racism.  What is subject to legitimate debate is "what particular flavors of racism are acceptable?".
Is it possible that the best candidates for the various positions just happened to be non-white or female? Why is that when a company has all white males in the top positions, with maybe a female here and a non-white person there, no one finds that odd, but it's so hard to believe that perhaps the most promising applicants were not white male? My husband worked for two Fortune 500 companies and I worked for one. Both the companies that my husband worked for practiced blatant nepotism with top employees sharing the name of the company and no one objected (not saying that they should have, just that no one went around saying don't bother applying unless you're a family member). At one, the HR director was black - I think he was the top ranking minority - but the executives were all ghostly pale. The other company he worked for I had to follow the executives around on a tour (this is how I met my husband, incidentally) and there was not a single minority nor female among them.

I can tell by your tone that you sincerely feel that you were wronged based on your race and that you are able to put the episode in perspective and not dwell, my problem lies more with the person speaking for the company. A white male VP saying white males cannot get hired at that company does not exactly make a compelling argument. Fascinating that he would perceive his situation that way. I'd say the two who were interviewed from your newly-defunct employer were not told to give up before trying, so they may have been the only two options.

Also, I would not describe much of the racism in this country (nor the sexism) as subtle. Subtle racism is more difficult to call out and does loads of damage in its own right, but there is still plenty of the old-fashioned racism that will get a person killed.
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« Reply #204 on: November 11, 2012, 04:27:14 PM »

Ultimately, the reason people think to point to race as the motivation behind hatred of Obama is because the ostensible reasons are suspect. Under George W. Bush, we were saddled with the highest debt in U.S. history, and the majority of our debt is still from prior to Obama's presidency, but there wasn't a peep from anyone about it until the day Obama took office, when it suddenly became the most important issue of our time. The Obama stimulus was "socialism," but the GWB stimulus efforts were not. It's this discepency between the views of two nearly identical presidents that makes one try to find the "real" reason, and racism makes for an easy explanation. If Obama critics showed more consistency in their critiques, the charge of racism wouldn't work as well. But since many of the complaints against Obama are things that happened -- in some ways, like with the debt, to an even greater degree -- under Bush, it makes it difficult to accept these complaints at face value.

People don't dislike Obama because he is a half black, half white man. They/we dislike him because of his policies.  Even my brown wife and my half white, half brown children dislike Obama. Once again, not because of the color of his skin which is just about the same as my wife's, but because of what he wants to do to America. You seem to forget how many white folks voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012. It is not race my friend, but political opinions that makes us differ.
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« Reply #205 on: November 12, 2012, 05:20:02 AM »

Ultimately, the reason people think to point to race as the motivation behind hatred of Obama is because the ostensible reasons are suspect. Under George W. Bush, we were saddled with the highest debt in U.S. history, and the majority of our debt is still from prior to Obama's presidency, but there wasn't a peep from anyone about it until the day Obama took office, when it suddenly became the most important issue of our time. The Obama stimulus was "socialism," but the GWB stimulus efforts were not. It's this discepency between the views of two nearly identical presidents that makes one try to find the "real" reason, and racism makes for an easy explanation. If Obama critics showed more consistency in their critiques, the charge of racism wouldn't work as well. But since many of the complaints against Obama are things that happened -- in some ways, like with the debt, to an even greater degree -- under Bush, it makes it difficult to accept these complaints at face value.
I think this is well stated. As you've pointed out, HM, when policies are so similar, you are essentially controlling for all other factors but the one glaring difference. I think your theory works best with the hard core libertarians - the ones who are fixated on the economy and are fairly unconcerned with how people live their lives privately (Ron Paul I think mostly fits into this category). Social conservatives will find a lot of difference between Bush and Obama.
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« Reply #206 on: November 12, 2012, 08:48:27 AM »

Ultimately, the reason people think to point to race as the motivation behind hatred of Obama is because the ostensible reasons are suspect. Under George W. Bush, we were saddled with the highest debt in U.S. history, and the majority of our debt is still from prior to Obama's presidency, but there wasn't a peep from anyone about it until the day Obama took office, when it suddenly became the most important issue of our time. The Obama stimulus was "socialism," but the GWB stimulus efforts were not. It's this discepency between the views of two nearly identical presidents that makes one try to find the "real" reason, and racism makes for an easy explanation. If Obama critics showed more consistency in their critiques, the charge of racism wouldn't work as well. But since many of the complaints against Obama are things that happened -- in some ways, like with the debt, to an even greater degree -- under Bush, it makes it difficult to accept these complaints at face value.

People don't dislike Obama because he is a half black, half white man. They/we dislike him because of his policies.  Even my brown wife and my half white, half brown children dislike Obama. Once again, not because of the color of his skin which is just about the same as my wife's, but because of what he wants to do to America. You seem to forget how many white folks voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012. It is not race my friend, but political opinions that makes us differ.

Hemadoc, you got to be real, not all, but I would say the majority that does dislike Obama is because of his race. I bet if Romney had the same views as Obama, it would not be so much hatred.  You may not dislike him because of his race, however, the majority of the hatred is because he is not all white. At hampdney College this weekend, Romney supporters trashed the area at the school that the most blacks reside on campus. It was a racially motivated hate crime. It is one thing to not like a person views, but not like them because of their race is stupid. Racism is real, I live in a rural area and it is so obvious here. The local newspaper supports all the rep views and they don't hide how they feel. Sad in the 21 century and people can't get along.
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« Reply #207 on: November 12, 2012, 10:58:55 AM »

Ultimately, the reason people think to point to race as the motivation behind hatred of Obama is because the ostensible reasons are suspect. Under George W. Bush, we were saddled with the highest debt in U.S. history, and the majority of our debt is still from prior to Obama's presidency, but there wasn't a peep from anyone about it until the day Obama took office, when it suddenly became the most important issue of our time. The Obama stimulus was "socialism," but the GWB stimulus efforts were not. It's this discepency between the views of two nearly identical presidents that makes one try to find the "real" reason, and racism makes for an easy explanation. If Obama critics showed more consistency in their critiques, the charge of racism wouldn't work as well. But since many of the complaints against Obama are things that happened -- in some ways, like with the debt, to an even greater degree -- under Bush, it makes it difficult to accept these complaints at face value.

People don't dislike Obama because he is a half black, half white man. They/we dislike him because of his policies.  Even my brown wife and my half white, half brown children dislike Obama. Once again, not because of the color of his skin which is just about the same as my wife's, but because of what he wants to do to America. You seem to forget how many white folks voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012. It is not race my friend, but political opinions that makes us differ.

Hemadoc, you got to be real, not all, but I would say the majority that does dislike Obama is because of his race. I bet if Romney had the same views as Obama, it would not be so much hatred.  You may not dislike him because of his race, however, the majority of the hatred is because he is not all white. At hampdney College this weekend, Romney supporters trashed the area at the school that the most blacks reside on campus. It was a racially motivated hate crime. It is one thing to not like a person views, but not like them because of their race is stupid. Racism is real, I live in a rural area and it is so obvious here. The local newspaper supports all the rep views and they don't hide how they feel. Sad in the 21 century and people can't get along.

You are plain and simply wrong but no sense trying to avert attention to this lie perpetrated at the highest levels of the Democratic party against the GOP. If the Tea Party folks are such racists, then why is Allen West and Hermain Cain so popular. In any case, believe what you wish, but you are plainly and simply wrong. By the way, when did you stop beating your wife?
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« Reply #208 on: November 12, 2012, 11:07:52 AM »

Ultimately, the reason people think to point to race as the motivation behind hatred of Obama is because the ostensible reasons are suspect. Under George W. Bush, we were saddled with the highest debt in U.S. history, and the majority of our debt is still from prior to Obama's presidency, but there wasn't a peep from anyone about it until the day Obama took office, when it suddenly became the most important issue of our time. The Obama stimulus was "socialism," but the GWB stimulus efforts were not. It's this discepency between the views of two nearly identical presidents that makes one try to find the "real" reason, and racism makes for an easy explanation. If Obama critics showed more consistency in their critiques, the charge of racism wouldn't work as well. But since many of the complaints against Obama are things that happened -- in some ways, like with the debt, to an even greater degree -- under Bush, it makes it difficult to accept these complaints at face value.

People don't dislike Obama because he is a half black, half white man. They/we dislike him because of his policies.  Even my brown wife and my half white, half brown children dislike Obama. Once again, not because of the color of his skin which is just about the same as my wife's, but because of what he wants to do to America. You seem to forget how many white folks voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012. It is not race my friend, but political opinions that makes us differ.

Hemadoc, you got to be real, not all, but I would say the majority that does dislike Obama is because of his race. I bet if Romney had the same views as Obama, it would not be so much hatred.  You may not dislike him because of his race, however, the majority of the hatred is because he is not all white. At hampdney College this weekend, Romney supporters trashed the area at the school that the most blacks reside on campus. It was a racially motivated hate crime. It is one thing to not like a person views, but not like them because of their race is stupid. Racism is real, I live in a rural area and it is so obvious here. The local newspaper supports all the rep views and they don't hide how they feel. Sad in the 21 century and people can't get along.

You are plain and simply wrong but no sense trying to avert attention to this lie perpetrated at the highest levels of the Democratic party against the GOP. If the Tea Party folks are such racists, then why is Allen West and Hermain Cain so popular. In any case, believe what you wish, but you are plainly and simply wrong. By the way, when did you stop beating your wife?

Actually, I have to agree with Hemodoc on this one.  (Try not to faint from shock here, Hemodoc!)  While I'm well aware there are a (still too large for this century!) number of people who are against him purely for his color, there are many, many more people who just don't agree with the Democratic Party's view on government.  Unfortunately, it's easy to jump to racial issues when the smaller contingent of racist idiots are so vocal and tend to get more press than the moderate Republicans who would have been happy to vote for Colin Powell or Herman Cain.  I think it would be amazing if the Republicans could field an African American candidate for the next election.  That would A.  Tick off the racists so much they wouldn't vote at all.  B.  Let us focus on the political issues alone. 
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« Reply #209 on: November 12, 2012, 12:13:56 PM »

I agree with jbeany.  But you can't deny that the pictures of Mr. Obama as a monkey or the White House front lawn as a watermelon patch show just a touch of racism.  I'd bet that the people who created these images didn't vote for Obama solely on "the issues".

(Actually, at first I thought the watermelon patch photos were supposed to be positive images!  I thought it was supposed to show a fantasy based on the First Lady's desire to have a White House garden, and I thought, "Oh, that's be so cool to have a kitchen garden and include watermelons!  Gosh, I wish I could eat watermelon, but ugh, too much potassium.  I love watermelon.."  Someone had to point out to me that the intent of the photos was racist.  LOL!)
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« Reply #210 on: November 12, 2012, 01:02:03 PM »

Racism is alive and well in America.  Minorities voted for Obama, so did women, only white males supported Romney.  It wasn’t just the southern states where many angry white males reside, it was endemic throughout the so-called swing states.  Much of the GOP campaign used terms like lazy, not intelligent, the black agenda and plans to reduce white Americans to a minority status.  We saw the images of countless displays where empty chairs with a hangman’s noose hanging from trees.

The Romney campaign was the old Nixon strategy where certain buzz words were meant to indicate racial preference.  Even today, a prominent citizen wants Texas to secede from the US because a black man is running America.

How many hundreds of photos were taken in those early Tea Party demonstrations? And didn’t the GOP embrace the Tea Party?  Does anyone remember that the US Supreme Court is now considering amending the Voters Rights Act of ’65 due to a petition from a consortium of southern states?  And what was the name of the Texas Governor’s hunting lodge?

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« Reply #211 on: November 12, 2012, 03:02:31 PM »

Gerald you said it better than me.  @hemodoc, Herman Cain or Colin Powell would not have been supported by many minorities not because the color of their skin but because of their views. I know I wouldn't vote for either of them. Racism is alive and kicking.
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« Reply #212 on: November 12, 2012, 03:07:56 PM »

Ultimately, the reason people think to point to race as the motivation behind hatred of Obama is because the ostensible reasons are suspect. Under George W. Bush, we were saddled with the highest debt in U.S. history, and the majority of our debt is still from prior to Obama's presidency, but there wasn't a peep from anyone about it until the day Obama took office, when it suddenly became the most important issue of our time. The Obama stimulus was "socialism," but the GWB stimulus efforts were not. It's this discepency between the views of two nearly identical presidents that makes one try to find the "real" reason, and racism makes for an easy explanation. If Obama critics showed more consistency in their critiques, the charge of racism wouldn't work as well. But since many of the complaints against Obama are things that happened -- in some ways, like with the debt, to an even greater degree -- under Bush, it makes it difficult to accept these complaints at face value.

People don't dislike Obama because he is a half black, half white man. They/we dislike him because of his policies.  Even my brown wife and my half white, half brown children dislike Obama. Once again, not because of the color of his skin which is just about the same as my wife's, but because of what he wants to do to America. You seem to forget how many white folks voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012. It is not race my friend, but political opinions that makes us differ.

Hemadoc, you got to be real, not all, but I would say the majority that does dislike Obama is because of his race. I bet if Romney had the same views as Obama, it would not be so much hatred.  You may not dislike him because of his race, however, the majority of the hatred is because he is not all white. At hampdney College this weekend, Romney supporters trashed the area at the school that the most blacks reside on campus. It was a racially motivated hate crime. It is one thing to not like a person views, but not like them because of their race is stupid. Racism is real, I live in a rural area and it is so obvious here. The local newspaper supports all the rep views and they don't hide how they feel. Sad in the 21 century and people can't get along.

You are plain and simply wrong but no sense trying to avert attention to this lie perpetrated at the highest levels of the Democratic party against the GOP. If the Tea Party folks are such racists, then why is Allen West and Hermain Cain so popular. In any case, believe what you wish, but you are plainly and simply wrong. By the way, when did you stop beating your wife?

Actually, I have to agree with Hemodoc on this one.  (Try not to faint from shock here, Hemodoc!)  While I'm well aware there are a (still too large for this century!) number of people who are against him purely for his color, there are many, many more people who just don't agree with the Democratic Party's view on government.  Unfortunately, it's easy to jump to racial issues when the smaller contingent of racist idiots are so vocal and tend to get more press than the moderate Republicans who would have been happy to vote for Colin Powell or Herman Cain.  I think it would be amazing if the Republicans could field an African American candidate for the next election.  That would A.  Tick off the racists so much they wouldn't vote at all.  B.  Let us focus on the political issues alone.

Hemodoc I beat my wife every day and night, that is why we have been married for over 30 long years and counting.
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« Reply #213 on: November 12, 2012, 03:13:32 PM »

Ultimately, the reason people think to point to race as the motivation behind hatred of Obama is because the ostensible reasons are suspect. Under George W. Bush, we were saddled with the highest debt in U.S. history, and the majority of our debt is still from prior to Obama's presidency, but there wasn't a peep from anyone about it until the day Obama took office, when it suddenly became the most important issue of our time. The Obama stimulus was "socialism," but the GWB stimulus efforts were not. It's this discepency between the views of two nearly identical presidents that makes one try to find the "real" reason, and racism makes for an easy explanation. If Obama critics showed more consistency in their critiques, the charge of racism wouldn't work as well. But since many of the complaints against Obama are things that happened -- in some ways, like with the debt, to an even greater degree -- under Bush, it makes it difficult to accept these complaints at face value.

People don't dislike Obama because he is a half black, half white man. They/we dislike him because of his policies.  Even my brown wife and my half white, half brown children dislike Obama. Once again, not because of the color of his skin which is just about the same as my wife's, but because of what he wants to do to America. You seem to forget how many white folks voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012. It is not race my friend, but political opinions that makes us differ.

Hemadoc, you got to be real, not all, but I would say the majority that does dislike Obama is because of his race. I bet if Romney had the same views as Obama, it would not be so much hatred.  You may not dislike him because of his race, however, the majority of the hatred is because he is not all white. At hampdney College this weekend, Romney supporters trashed the area at the school that the most blacks reside on campus. It was a racially motivated hate crime. It is one thing to not like a person views, but not like them because of their race is stupid. Racism is real, I live in a rural area and it is so obvious here. The local newspaper supports all the rep views and they don't hide how they feel. Sad in the 21 century and people can't get along.

You are plain and simply wrong but no sense trying to avert attention to this lie perpetrated at the highest levels of the Democratic party against the GOP. If the Tea Party folks are such racists, then why is Allen West and Hermain Cain so popular. In any case, believe what you wish, but you are plainly and simply wrong. By the way, when did you stop beating your wife?

Actually, I have to agree with Hemodoc on this one.  (Try not to faint from shock here, Hemodoc!)  While I'm well aware there are a (still too large for this century!) number of people who are against him purely for his color, there are many, many more people who just don't agree with the Democratic Party's view on government.  Unfortunately, it's easy to jump to racial issues when the smaller contingent of racist idiots are so vocal and tend to get more press than the moderate Republicans who would have been happy to vote for Colin Powell or Herman Cain.  I think it would be amazing if the Republicans could field an African American candidate for the next election.  That would A.  Tick off the racists so much they wouldn't vote at all.  B.  Let us focus on the political issues alone.

Hemodoc I beat my wife every day and night, that is why we have been married for over 30 long years and counting.

Then that must make me a racist as well.

The point, it is very easy to make false accusations, it is very hard to counter or deny them. Have a great day.
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« Reply #214 on: November 12, 2012, 03:36:44 PM »

Ultimately, the reason people think to point to race as the motivation behind hatred of Obama is because the ostensible reasons are suspect. Under George W. Bush, we were saddled with the highest debt in U.S. history, and the majority of our debt is still from prior to Obama's presidency, but there wasn't a peep from anyone about it until the day Obama took office, when it suddenly became the most important issue of our time. The Obama stimulus was "socialism," but the GWB stimulus efforts were not. It's this discepency between the views of two nearly identical presidents that makes one try to find the "real" reason, and racism makes for an easy explanation. If Obama critics showed more consistency in their critiques, the charge of racism wouldn't work as well. But since many of the complaints against Obama are things that happened -- in some ways, like with the debt, to an even greater degree -- under Bush, it makes it difficult to accept these complaints at face value.

People don't dislike Obama because he is a half black, half white man. They/we dislike him because of his policies.  Even my brown wife and my half white, half brown children dislike Obama. Once again, not because of the color of his skin which is just about the same as my wife's, but because of what he wants to do to America. You seem to forget how many white folks voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012. It is not race my friend, but political opinions that makes us differ.

Hemadoc, you got to be real, not all, but I would say the majority that does dislike Obama is because of his race. I bet if Romney had the same views as Obama, it would not be so much hatred.  You may not dislike him because of his race, however, the majority of the hatred is because he is not all white. At hampdney College this weekend, Romney supporters trashed the area at the school that the most blacks reside on campus. It was a racially motivated hate crime. It is one thing to not like a person views, but not like them because of their race is stupid. Racism is real, I live in a rural area and it is so obvious here. The local newspaper supports all the rep views and they don't hide how they feel. Sad in the 21 century and people can't get along.

You are plain and simply wrong but no sense trying to avert attention to this lie perpetrated at the highest levels of the Democratic party against the GOP. If the Tea Party folks are such racists, then why is Allen West and Hermain Cain so popular. In any case, believe what you wish, but you are plainly and simply wrong. By the way, when did you stop beating your wife?

Actually, I have to agree with Hemodoc on this one.  (Try not to faint from shock here, Hemodoc!)  While I'm well aware there are a (still too large for this century!) number of people who are against him purely for his color, there are many, many more people who just don't agree with the Democratic Party's view on government.  Unfortunately, it's easy to jump to racial issues when the smaller contingent of racist idiots are so vocal and tend to get more press than the moderate Republicans who would have been happy to vote for Colin Powell or Herman Cain.  I think it would be amazing if the Republicans could field an African American candidate for the next election.  That would A.  Tick off the racists so much they wouldn't vote at all.  B.  Let us focus on the political issues alone.

Hemodoc I beat my wife every day and night, that is why we have been married for over 30 long years and counting.

Then that must make me a racist as well.

The point, it is very easy to make false accusations, it is very hard to counter or deny them. Have a great day.

Hemodoc, lets move on. The election is over, hopefully someone who supports your views will fill thw White House  for the next election. I am racist, I like apples better than oranges.  It was fun reding everyone views. May God bless you all, look forward to getting back into the dialysis discussions.
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« Reply #215 on: November 13, 2012, 07:16:08 PM »

While I'm well aware there are a (still too large for this century!) number of people who are against him purely for his color, there are many, many more people who just don't agree with the Democratic Party's view on government.
They don't agree with the Democratic party's view of government, or the Republican made-up caricature of the Democratic party's view of government?

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B.  Let us focus on the political issues alone.
Okay, let's.

How many policy differences can you think of between GWB and BHO? I can't think of one. Both offered corporate bailouts, an economic stimulus, expensive and expansive healthcare reform (all "socialism" apparently under Obama, but all good under GWB). Both have the same foreign policies. The end of the Iraq war proceeded exactly as planned under GWB. BHO didn't visit Israel during his first term (proving he is no friend of Israel), but GWB didn't visit Israel during his first term nor most of his second (and, for that matter, Reagan never visited Israel at all, nor GHWB) yet no one questioned his stated stance on Israel -- which is exactly the same as BHO's.

The double standard is even more glaring with the debt. The majorty of the debt came from before the Obama administration. The vast majority of the deficit -- a surplus when GWB took office --came from the Bush administration. So if people are angry at the Obama administration over the debt and deficit, they must really hate GWB, otherwise they aren't being honest. Or how about jobs? GWB ended his first term with a net job loss. Or taxes? Reagan raised taxes many times.  Funny that it wasn't socialism then. Government spending? Spending per capita under Reagan was 14.4 percent.  Under Obama? 6.4 percent. And spending growth and the deficit are going down, not up. So Reagan was a much bigger socialist, right?

I agree many Obama critics who give GWB and other Republicans a free pass for things they want to run Obama out of Washington for aren't racist. It may not be racism, but it is ignorance of the facts.
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And, lots of whites of all flavors (male, female, young, old) voted for Obama because they liked his policies.   Most statistics show that blacks "voted their race" at 95% or so, and whites split their vote among candidates with diverging viewpoints.  So, in a sense, Obama is president because white voting patters were less racially focused than black voting patterns.
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And, lots of whites of all flavors (male, female, young, old) voted for Obama because they liked his policies.   Most statistics show that blacks "voted their race" at 95% or so, and whites split their vote among candidates with diverging viewpoints.  So, in a sense, Obama is president because white voting patters were less racially focused than black voting patterns.
All people vote for whomever they think will best represent their interests, not just blacks or other minorities. White evangelicals consistently vote Republican. Some 84% of Mormons were planning on voting for Mitt Romney. They were all voting for a member of their "in-group." Sometimes that in-group is race, sometimes it's religion, sometimes it's sex. Black people hold no monopoly over voting for their in-group.

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« Reply #218 on: November 13, 2012, 07:42:34 PM »

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And, lots of whites of all flavors (male, female, young, old) voted for Obama because they liked his policies.   Most statistics show that blacks "voted their race" at 95% or so, and whites split their vote among candidates with diverging viewpoints.  So, in a sense, Obama is president because white voting patters were less racially focused than black voting patterns.
All people vote for whomever they think will best represent their interests, not just blacks or other minorities. White evangelicals consistently vote Republican. Some 84% of Mormons were planning on voting for Mitt Romney. They were all voting for a member of their "in-group." Sometimes that in-group is race, sometimes it's religion, sometimes it's sex. Black people hold no monopoly over voting for their in-group.

Dear Hober, with all due respect, a Mormon candidate is NOT part of my "in-group" yet the majority of "white evangelicals" voted for Romney not at all because of his religion or color of skin, but instead only because of his proposed views and programs. Please, spare us any further false accusations of racism, it is getting old.
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My son's wife just got a job with a big law firm.  She's black.  He's white.  They're happy, and so am I. 
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« Reply #220 on: January 16, 2013, 02:59:10 PM »

Dear Hober, with all due respect, a Mormon candidate is NOT part of my "in-group" yet the majority of "white evangelicals" voted for Romney not at all because of his religion or color of skin, but instead only because of his proposed views and programs. Please, spare us any further false accusations of racism, it is getting old.
Might want to reread what I wrote. I'll reiterate by quoting the salient bit: "All people vote for whomever they think will best represent their interests." Your reply above does not refute, but *supports* that point.
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If not agreeing with Obama means you're a racist, than call me Racist Randy.
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« Reply #222 on: May 11, 2013, 10:21:12 AM »

If not agreeing with Obama means you're a racist, than call me Racist Randy.

I voted for him because he is WHITE.  Am I a racist?   :rofl;   Joking of course!!!
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« Reply #223 on: May 11, 2013, 10:34:52 AM »

If not agreeing with Obama means you're a racist, than call me Racist Randy.

I voted for him because he is WHITE.  Am I a racist?   :rofl;   Joking of course!!!

Shucks, do we really need to open up this thread again and hear all the "you are a racist" comments all over again? If it makes them feel good believing conservatives are all racist, let them. You won't change their minds anyway no matter how much you protest. The accusation is enough.
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« Reply #224 on: May 11, 2013, 11:24:41 AM »

... If it makes them feel good believing conservatives are all racist, let them. You won't change their minds anyway no matter how much you protest. The accusation is enough.
So why the generalizations?

Of course some conservatives are racist and, of course, some are not.

And some non-conservatives are racist and some are not.
 
Your complaint appears to be about unwarranted generalizations, but the form of your complaint makes unwarranted generalizations. That seems counter-productive.

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