QuoteSimilarly, if you have never been a victim of racism yourself, you are not going to be as effective tackling these difficult problems that continue to plague our country.My only direct experience with racism is a phone call from a fortune 500 company VP who I knew from a previous job who called to say "I got your resume, but I will not waste your time or mine since I could never get a white male hire approved. I just wanted to make sure you understood it was not a reflection on your skills when you see some of your co-workers (from a company that just folded) receive job offers from my department.
Similarly, if you have never been a victim of racism yourself, you are not going to be as effective tackling these difficult problems that continue to plague our country.
QuoteWhite people who cast a vote for a white man because of his race cannot say that they hope this will lead to improvements in equality. They fear equality, which makes them racist.I never cast a vote for a white because of his race but, in the only presidential race where the was a racial divide, the candidate that happened to more closely represent my views happened to be white. I support rather than fear equality.
White people who cast a vote for a white man because of his race cannot say that they hope this will lead to improvements in equality. They fear equality, which makes them racist.
He sounds disgruntled and like he's making excuses for not putting you forward.
QuoteHe sounds disgruntled and like he's making excuses for not putting you forward. I had learned long before even thinking of applying to this particular company that "affirmative action points" were a big hiring factor (from people who had worked there for 20+ years, and whom I knew and heard the stories when not in the job market). I was in a company with several dozen people with a similar set at the time it went belly up, and the only two that were interviewed and hired by this company were those who would contribute to diversity.This is not the same as generations of subtle racism; being profiled for driving while black; etc. - but there are cases where opportunity to select graduate or professional programs, or access to scholarships is indeed race based.Selection by race is, by definition, racism. What is subject to legitimate debate is "what particular flavors of racism are acceptable?".
Ultimately, the reason people think to point to race as the motivation behind hatred of Obama is because the ostensible reasons are suspect. Under George W. Bush, we were saddled with the highest debt in U.S. history, and the majority of our debt is still from prior to Obama's presidency, but there wasn't a peep from anyone about it until the day Obama took office, when it suddenly became the most important issue of our time. The Obama stimulus was "socialism," but the GWB stimulus efforts were not. It's this discepency between the views of two nearly identical presidents that makes one try to find the "real" reason, and racism makes for an easy explanation. If Obama critics showed more consistency in their critiques, the charge of racism wouldn't work as well. But since many of the complaints against Obama are things that happened -- in some ways, like with the debt, to an even greater degree -- under Bush, it makes it difficult to accept these complaints at face value.
Quote from: Hober Mallow on November 06, 2012, 10:46:34 AMUltimately, the reason people think to point to race as the motivation behind hatred of Obama is because the ostensible reasons are suspect. Under George W. Bush, we were saddled with the highest debt in U.S. history, and the majority of our debt is still from prior to Obama's presidency, but there wasn't a peep from anyone about it until the day Obama took office, when it suddenly became the most important issue of our time. The Obama stimulus was "socialism," but the GWB stimulus efforts were not. It's this discepency between the views of two nearly identical presidents that makes one try to find the "real" reason, and racism makes for an easy explanation. If Obama critics showed more consistency in their critiques, the charge of racism wouldn't work as well. But since many of the complaints against Obama are things that happened -- in some ways, like with the debt, to an even greater degree -- under Bush, it makes it difficult to accept these complaints at face value.People don't dislike Obama because he is a half black, half white man. They/we dislike him because of his policies. Even my brown wife and my half white, half brown children dislike Obama. Once again, not because of the color of his skin which is just about the same as my wife's, but because of what he wants to do to America. You seem to forget how many white folks voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012. It is not race my friend, but political opinions that makes us differ.
Quote from: Hemodoc on November 11, 2012, 04:27:14 PMQuote from: Hober Mallow on November 06, 2012, 10:46:34 AMUltimately, the reason people think to point to race as the motivation behind hatred of Obama is because the ostensible reasons are suspect. Under George W. Bush, we were saddled with the highest debt in U.S. history, and the majority of our debt is still from prior to Obama's presidency, but there wasn't a peep from anyone about it until the day Obama took office, when it suddenly became the most important issue of our time. The Obama stimulus was "socialism," but the GWB stimulus efforts were not. It's this discepency between the views of two nearly identical presidents that makes one try to find the "real" reason, and racism makes for an easy explanation. If Obama critics showed more consistency in their critiques, the charge of racism wouldn't work as well. But since many of the complaints against Obama are things that happened -- in some ways, like with the debt, to an even greater degree -- under Bush, it makes it difficult to accept these complaints at face value.People don't dislike Obama because he is a half black, half white man. They/we dislike him because of his policies. Even my brown wife and my half white, half brown children dislike Obama. Once again, not because of the color of his skin which is just about the same as my wife's, but because of what he wants to do to America. You seem to forget how many white folks voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012. It is not race my friend, but political opinions that makes us differ.Hemadoc, you got to be real, not all, but I would say the majority that does dislike Obama is because of his race. I bet if Romney had the same views as Obama, it would not be so much hatred. You may not dislike him because of his race, however, the majority of the hatred is because he is not all white. At hampdney College this weekend, Romney supporters trashed the area at the school that the most blacks reside on campus. It was a racially motivated hate crime. It is one thing to not like a person views, but not like them because of their race is stupid. Racism is real, I live in a rural area and it is so obvious here. The local newspaper supports all the rep views and they don't hide how they feel. Sad in the 21 century and people can't get along.
Quote from: Wat76 on November 12, 2012, 08:48:27 AMQuote from: Hemodoc on November 11, 2012, 04:27:14 PMQuote from: Hober Mallow on November 06, 2012, 10:46:34 AMUltimately, the reason people think to point to race as the motivation behind hatred of Obama is because the ostensible reasons are suspect. Under George W. Bush, we were saddled with the highest debt in U.S. history, and the majority of our debt is still from prior to Obama's presidency, but there wasn't a peep from anyone about it until the day Obama took office, when it suddenly became the most important issue of our time. The Obama stimulus was "socialism," but the GWB stimulus efforts were not. It's this discepency between the views of two nearly identical presidents that makes one try to find the "real" reason, and racism makes for an easy explanation. If Obama critics showed more consistency in their critiques, the charge of racism wouldn't work as well. But since many of the complaints against Obama are things that happened -- in some ways, like with the debt, to an even greater degree -- under Bush, it makes it difficult to accept these complaints at face value.People don't dislike Obama because he is a half black, half white man. They/we dislike him because of his policies. Even my brown wife and my half white, half brown children dislike Obama. Once again, not because of the color of his skin which is just about the same as my wife's, but because of what he wants to do to America. You seem to forget how many white folks voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012. It is not race my friend, but political opinions that makes us differ.Hemadoc, you got to be real, not all, but I would say the majority that does dislike Obama is because of his race. I bet if Romney had the same views as Obama, it would not be so much hatred. You may not dislike him because of his race, however, the majority of the hatred is because he is not all white. At hampdney College this weekend, Romney supporters trashed the area at the school that the most blacks reside on campus. It was a racially motivated hate crime. It is one thing to not like a person views, but not like them because of their race is stupid. Racism is real, I live in a rural area and it is so obvious here. The local newspaper supports all the rep views and they don't hide how they feel. Sad in the 21 century and people can't get along.You are plain and simply wrong but no sense trying to avert attention to this lie perpetrated at the highest levels of the Democratic party against the GOP. If the Tea Party folks are such racists, then why is Allen West and Hermain Cain so popular. In any case, believe what you wish, but you are plainly and simply wrong. By the way, when did you stop beating your wife?
Quote from: Hemodoc on November 12, 2012, 10:58:55 AMQuote from: Wat76 on November 12, 2012, 08:48:27 AMQuote from: Hemodoc on November 11, 2012, 04:27:14 PMQuote from: Hober Mallow on November 06, 2012, 10:46:34 AMUltimately, the reason people think to point to race as the motivation behind hatred of Obama is because the ostensible reasons are suspect. Under George W. Bush, we were saddled with the highest debt in U.S. history, and the majority of our debt is still from prior to Obama's presidency, but there wasn't a peep from anyone about it until the day Obama took office, when it suddenly became the most important issue of our time. The Obama stimulus was "socialism," but the GWB stimulus efforts were not. It's this discepency between the views of two nearly identical presidents that makes one try to find the "real" reason, and racism makes for an easy explanation. If Obama critics showed more consistency in their critiques, the charge of racism wouldn't work as well. But since many of the complaints against Obama are things that happened -- in some ways, like with the debt, to an even greater degree -- under Bush, it makes it difficult to accept these complaints at face value.People don't dislike Obama because he is a half black, half white man. They/we dislike him because of his policies. Even my brown wife and my half white, half brown children dislike Obama. Once again, not because of the color of his skin which is just about the same as my wife's, but because of what he wants to do to America. You seem to forget how many white folks voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012. It is not race my friend, but political opinions that makes us differ.Hemadoc, you got to be real, not all, but I would say the majority that does dislike Obama is because of his race. I bet if Romney had the same views as Obama, it would not be so much hatred. You may not dislike him because of his race, however, the majority of the hatred is because he is not all white. At hampdney College this weekend, Romney supporters trashed the area at the school that the most blacks reside on campus. It was a racially motivated hate crime. It is one thing to not like a person views, but not like them because of their race is stupid. Racism is real, I live in a rural area and it is so obvious here. The local newspaper supports all the rep views and they don't hide how they feel. Sad in the 21 century and people can't get along.You are plain and simply wrong but no sense trying to avert attention to this lie perpetrated at the highest levels of the Democratic party against the GOP. If the Tea Party folks are such racists, then why is Allen West and Hermain Cain so popular. In any case, believe what you wish, but you are plainly and simply wrong. By the way, when did you stop beating your wife?Actually, I have to agree with Hemodoc on this one. (Try not to faint from shock here, Hemodoc!) While I'm well aware there are a (still too large for this century!) number of people who are against him purely for his color, there are many, many more people who just don't agree with the Democratic Party's view on government. Unfortunately, it's easy to jump to racial issues when the smaller contingent of racist idiots are so vocal and tend to get more press than the moderate Republicans who would have been happy to vote for Colin Powell or Herman Cain. I think it would be amazing if the Republicans could field an African American candidate for the next election. That would A. Tick off the racists so much they wouldn't vote at all. B. Let us focus on the political issues alone.
Quote from: jbeany on November 12, 2012, 11:07:52 AMQuote from: Hemodoc on November 12, 2012, 10:58:55 AMQuote from: Wat76 on November 12, 2012, 08:48:27 AMQuote from: Hemodoc on November 11, 2012, 04:27:14 PMQuote from: Hober Mallow on November 06, 2012, 10:46:34 AMUltimately, the reason people think to point to race as the motivation behind hatred of Obama is because the ostensible reasons are suspect. Under George W. Bush, we were saddled with the highest debt in U.S. history, and the majority of our debt is still from prior to Obama's presidency, but there wasn't a peep from anyone about it until the day Obama took office, when it suddenly became the most important issue of our time. The Obama stimulus was "socialism," but the GWB stimulus efforts were not. It's this discepency between the views of two nearly identical presidents that makes one try to find the "real" reason, and racism makes for an easy explanation. If Obama critics showed more consistency in their critiques, the charge of racism wouldn't work as well. But since many of the complaints against Obama are things that happened -- in some ways, like with the debt, to an even greater degree -- under Bush, it makes it difficult to accept these complaints at face value.People don't dislike Obama because he is a half black, half white man. They/we dislike him because of his policies. Even my brown wife and my half white, half brown children dislike Obama. Once again, not because of the color of his skin which is just about the same as my wife's, but because of what he wants to do to America. You seem to forget how many white folks voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012. It is not race my friend, but political opinions that makes us differ.Hemadoc, you got to be real, not all, but I would say the majority that does dislike Obama is because of his race. I bet if Romney had the same views as Obama, it would not be so much hatred. You may not dislike him because of his race, however, the majority of the hatred is because he is not all white. At hampdney College this weekend, Romney supporters trashed the area at the school that the most blacks reside on campus. It was a racially motivated hate crime. It is one thing to not like a person views, but not like them because of their race is stupid. Racism is real, I live in a rural area and it is so obvious here. The local newspaper supports all the rep views and they don't hide how they feel. Sad in the 21 century and people can't get along.You are plain and simply wrong but no sense trying to avert attention to this lie perpetrated at the highest levels of the Democratic party against the GOP. If the Tea Party folks are such racists, then why is Allen West and Hermain Cain so popular. In any case, believe what you wish, but you are plainly and simply wrong. By the way, when did you stop beating your wife?Actually, I have to agree with Hemodoc on this one. (Try not to faint from shock here, Hemodoc!) While I'm well aware there are a (still too large for this century!) number of people who are against him purely for his color, there are many, many more people who just don't agree with the Democratic Party's view on government. Unfortunately, it's easy to jump to racial issues when the smaller contingent of racist idiots are so vocal and tend to get more press than the moderate Republicans who would have been happy to vote for Colin Powell or Herman Cain. I think it would be amazing if the Republicans could field an African American candidate for the next election. That would A. Tick off the racists so much they wouldn't vote at all. B. Let us focus on the political issues alone. Hemodoc I beat my wife every day and night, that is why we have been married for over 30 long years and counting.
Quote from: Wat76 on November 12, 2012, 03:07:56 PMQuote from: jbeany on November 12, 2012, 11:07:52 AMQuote from: Hemodoc on November 12, 2012, 10:58:55 AMQuote from: Wat76 on November 12, 2012, 08:48:27 AMQuote from: Hemodoc on November 11, 2012, 04:27:14 PMQuote from: Hober Mallow on November 06, 2012, 10:46:34 AMUltimately, the reason people think to point to race as the motivation behind hatred of Obama is because the ostensible reasons are suspect. Under George W. Bush, we were saddled with the highest debt in U.S. history, and the majority of our debt is still from prior to Obama's presidency, but there wasn't a peep from anyone about it until the day Obama took office, when it suddenly became the most important issue of our time. The Obama stimulus was "socialism," but the GWB stimulus efforts were not. It's this discepency between the views of two nearly identical presidents that makes one try to find the "real" reason, and racism makes for an easy explanation. If Obama critics showed more consistency in their critiques, the charge of racism wouldn't work as well. But since many of the complaints against Obama are things that happened -- in some ways, like with the debt, to an even greater degree -- under Bush, it makes it difficult to accept these complaints at face value.People don't dislike Obama because he is a half black, half white man. They/we dislike him because of his policies. Even my brown wife and my half white, half brown children dislike Obama. Once again, not because of the color of his skin which is just about the same as my wife's, but because of what he wants to do to America. You seem to forget how many white folks voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012. It is not race my friend, but political opinions that makes us differ.Hemadoc, you got to be real, not all, but I would say the majority that does dislike Obama is because of his race. I bet if Romney had the same views as Obama, it would not be so much hatred. You may not dislike him because of his race, however, the majority of the hatred is because he is not all white. At hampdney College this weekend, Romney supporters trashed the area at the school that the most blacks reside on campus. It was a racially motivated hate crime. It is one thing to not like a person views, but not like them because of their race is stupid. Racism is real, I live in a rural area and it is so obvious here. The local newspaper supports all the rep views and they don't hide how they feel. Sad in the 21 century and people can't get along.You are plain and simply wrong but no sense trying to avert attention to this lie perpetrated at the highest levels of the Democratic party against the GOP. If the Tea Party folks are such racists, then why is Allen West and Hermain Cain so popular. In any case, believe what you wish, but you are plainly and simply wrong. By the way, when did you stop beating your wife?Actually, I have to agree with Hemodoc on this one. (Try not to faint from shock here, Hemodoc!) While I'm well aware there are a (still too large for this century!) number of people who are against him purely for his color, there are many, many more people who just don't agree with the Democratic Party's view on government. Unfortunately, it's easy to jump to racial issues when the smaller contingent of racist idiots are so vocal and tend to get more press than the moderate Republicans who would have been happy to vote for Colin Powell or Herman Cain. I think it would be amazing if the Republicans could field an African American candidate for the next election. That would A. Tick off the racists so much they wouldn't vote at all. B. Let us focus on the political issues alone. Hemodoc I beat my wife every day and night, that is why we have been married for over 30 long years and counting.Then that must make me a racist as well. The point, it is very easy to make false accusations, it is very hard to counter or deny them. Have a great day.
While I'm well aware there are a (still too large for this century!) number of people who are against him purely for his color, there are many, many more people who just don't agree with the Democratic Party's view on government.
B. Let us focus on the political issues alone.
Racism is alive and well in America. Minorities voted for Obama, so did women, only white males supported Romney.
QuoteRacism is alive and well in America. Minorities voted for Obama, so did women, only white males supported Romney.And, lots of whites of all flavors (male, female, young, old) voted for Obama because they liked his policies. Most statistics show that blacks "voted their race" at 95% or so, and whites split their vote among candidates with diverging viewpoints. So, in a sense, Obama is president because white voting patters were less racially focused than black voting patterns.
Quote from: Simon Dog on November 13, 2012, 07:23:07 PMQuoteRacism is alive and well in America. Minorities voted for Obama, so did women, only white males supported Romney.And, lots of whites of all flavors (male, female, young, old) voted for Obama because they liked his policies. Most statistics show that blacks "voted their race" at 95% or so, and whites split their vote among candidates with diverging viewpoints. So, in a sense, Obama is president because white voting patters were less racially focused than black voting patterns.All people vote for whomever they think will best represent their interests, not just blacks or other minorities. White evangelicals consistently vote Republican. Some 84% of Mormons were planning on voting for Mitt Romney. They were all voting for a member of their "in-group." Sometimes that in-group is race, sometimes it's religion, sometimes it's sex. Black people hold no monopoly over voting for their in-group.
Dear Hober, with all due respect, a Mormon candidate is NOT part of my "in-group" yet the majority of "white evangelicals" voted for Romney not at all because of his religion or color of skin, but instead only because of his proposed views and programs. Please, spare us any further false accusations of racism, it is getting old.
If not agreeing with Obama means you're a racist, than call me Racist Randy.
Quote from: iKAZ3D on May 11, 2013, 06:46:13 AMIf not agreeing with Obama means you're a racist, than call me Racist Randy.I voted for him because he is WHITE. Am I a racist? Joking of course!!!
... If it makes them feel good believing conservatives are all racist, let them. You won't change their minds anyway no matter how much you protest. The accusation is enough.