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« Reply #100 on: February 02, 2012, 10:30:42 AM »

Machiavelli wrote similar book. 

HemoDoc, you ducked the question.  Alinsky wrote a book and you wish to condemn it because it has ideas on how to manipulate people.   We have behavioral scientists, organizational development people, psychiatrists, Karl Rove, salesmen, and thousands of other occupations that are all in the business of manipulating people.

I do believe your cheese has slipped off the cracker.

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« Reply #101 on: February 02, 2012, 10:37:26 AM »

Machiavelli wrote similar book. 

HemoDoc, you ducked the question.  Alinsky wrote a book and you wish to condemn it because it has ideas on how to manipulate people.   We have behavioral scientists, organizational development people, psychiatrists, Karl Rove, salesmen, and thousands of other occupations that are all in the business of manipulating people.

I do believe your cheese has slipped off the cracker.

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 :rofl;

I think that I just fell in love......
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« Reply #102 on: February 02, 2012, 10:43:56 AM »

Machiavelli wrote similar book. 

HemoDoc, you ducked the question.  Alinsky wrote a book and you wish to condemn it because it has ideas on how to manipulate people.   We have behavioral scientists, organizational development people, psychiatrists, Karl Rove, salesmen, and thousands of other occupations that are all in the business of manipulating people.

I do believe your cheese has slipped off the cracker.

gerald

Thanks Gerald, you are my best friend.
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« Reply #103 on: February 02, 2012, 10:45:31 AM »

Dear Cariad, I think you are beginning to bordrer on delusional and insane. I learned most about Saul Alinski during the 2008 election cycle. Please, don't think your little tyrade is anything but a delusion.
Devolving into personal attacks again? How hypocritical. I am engaging in discussion that you started, and I find your comments on my mental state offensive and unbecoming of anyone, especially a physician.

Cariad, I learned about Alinski in 2008. End of story. Anything other than that is a delusion. Choose what you will.

Have a great day.
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« Reply #104 on: February 02, 2012, 11:02:32 AM »

Machiavelli wrote similar book. 

HemoDoc, you ducked the question.  Alinsky wrote a book and you wish to condemn it because it has ideas on how to manipulate people.   We have behavioral scientists, organizational development people, psychiatrists, Karl Rove, salesmen, and thousands of other occupations that are all in the business of manipulating people.

I do believe your cheese has slipped off the cracker.

gerald

Yup, I have read Machiavelli in my younger days and I throw his garbage in the same heap as Alinski, Rubin all the other retards in the radical world. In fact, with all of my 1% wealth, I might just get a bonfire going in front of my house with all of this garbage and clean it off of the streets for a while. 
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« Reply #105 on: February 02, 2012, 11:05:59 AM »

Book burning, huh!  What sort of society does that?
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« Reply #106 on: February 02, 2012, 11:12:35 AM »

Book burning, huh!  What sort of society does that?

Oh shucks, don't you know that is what all of us right wing, knuckle draggers teach our kids. Maybe we should just go and drag out half of the books in the library and get rid of this garbage. Geez, that stuff will really polute your mind you know Gerald. You should be careful with that or you might end up arguing insane arguments with no utility behind them and becoming a mind reader on top of that.
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« Reply #107 on: February 02, 2012, 11:13:03 AM »

Book burning, huh!  What sort of society does that?
Curses, I was going to say that!

Oh, well, I'll settle for this:
Yup, I have read Machiavelli in my younger days and I throw his garbage in the same heap as Alinski, Rubin all the other retards in the radical world. In fact, with all of my 1% wealth, I might just get a bonfire going in front of my house with all of this garbage and clean it off of the streets for a while. 
'retards', huh! What sort of doctor turns a tragic genetic defect into an insult?

(By the way, none other than William F. Buckley called Alinsky "very close to an organizational genius" as quoted in the CSM article I linked. His intelligence was renowned.)
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« Reply #108 on: February 02, 2012, 11:14:16 AM »

Oh shucks, don't you know that is what all of us right wing, knuckle draggers teach our kids. Maybe we should just go and drag out half of the books in the library and get rid of this garbage. Geez, that stuff will really polute your mind you know Gerald. You should be careful with that or you might end up arguing insane arguments with no utility behind them and becoming a mind reader on top of that.
??? :waiting;

Yeah, uh, careful there, Gerald.
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« Reply #109 on: February 02, 2012, 11:18:24 AM »

Book burning, anti-public demonstrations, support for political organizations that also support racism, anti-government sponsored healthcare, support for upper-class tax breaks, larger defense budget, anti FDA – HemoDoc, you are painting a very ugly picture.

Shall I put a name to your kind of thinking?

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« Reply #110 on: February 02, 2012, 11:24:45 AM »

Book burning, anti-public demonstrations, support for political organizations that also support racism, anti-government sponsored healthcare, support for upper-class tax breaks, larger defense budget, anti FDA – HemoDoc, you are painting a very ugly picture.

Shall I put a name to your kind of thinking?

gerald

Go ahead my friend, this is the best entertainment I have had for a while. Since you chosen the path of irrational responses to any logical answers, there is nothing left but to provoke your biases and see how you roar.LOL
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« Reply #111 on: February 02, 2012, 11:27:44 AM »

Egads, Hemodoc has slipped into a split personality and using Alinski's rules for radicals. We have brainwashed him.

4. "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules. You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity."

5. "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counteract ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage."

6. "A good tactic is one your people enjoy."

Yes, it is fun to provoke isn't it Gerald? Give me your best shot, you are really hurting me man. LOL
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« Reply #112 on: February 02, 2012, 11:31:52 AM »

It is truly amazing how you duck a direct question.  It is equally amazing how you refuse to see what is placed in front of you.

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« Reply #113 on: February 02, 2012, 11:34:45 AM »

It is truly amazing how you duck a direct question.  It is equally amazing how you refuse to see what is placed in front of you.

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Sorry Gerald what question was that? I lost your train of thought in your book burning conspiracies.
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« Reply #114 on: February 02, 2012, 11:38:52 AM »

Hey, I'm just an old curmudgeon who is barely able to walk.  What do I know?  Say, will you send me one of those little arm bands with the ziggy-zaggy emblems on it?

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« Reply #115 on: February 02, 2012, 11:41:07 AM »

Hey, I'm just an old curmudgeon who is barely able to walk.  What do I know?  Say, will you send me one of those little arm bands with the ziggy-zaggy emblems on it?

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Sorry, the nazis kicked me out of their party when I married a brown skin woman and stomped their boots in my face. Did you have serious question or do you want to continue an asinine conversation. Your choice my friend.
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« Reply #116 on: February 02, 2012, 11:46:33 AM »

I find it weird that you keep referring to your wife as a browned skinned woman.  It seems like a better way to describe her would be of African-American decent, of Latin American decent, of Asian decent or whatever she is.  Brown skinned just sounds awful to me.
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« Reply #117 on: February 02, 2012, 11:54:56 AM »

I find it weird that you keep referring to your wife as a browned skinned woman.  It seems like a better way to describe her would be of African-American decent, of Latin American decent, of Asian decent or whatever she is.  Brown skinned just sounds awful to me.

Hmm, I just asked my wife if it bothered her. Her answer, no, why would it bother me, its the truth. She laughs at all of us whities out on the beach trying to look like what God gave her. Go figure. No, my wife is very beautiful including her beautiful brown skin. Hand in hand, yup, it is white and brown and we enjoy our love for each other. She is quite comfortable in her olive brown, lovely skin. Why would she take issue with being called brown. That is a white racist view of beautiful brown skinned women.

Go figure, how much time have you spent in the tanning salon anyway. Why so many of those in this country that Obamacare has to regulate tanning salons. Geez isn't that a racist tax because only white people need a tan? Who do you think goes to tanning solons to get that beautiful brown skin but little old whity. Shucks, are all those white folks really that ashamed of their moby the whale pale faced color?
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« Reply #118 on: February 02, 2012, 12:08:16 PM »

"Moby the Whale Pale"...sounds like a new Martha Stewart crockery color.  LOL!
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« Reply #119 on: February 02, 2012, 12:24:12 PM »

"Moby the Whale Pale"...sounds like a new Martha Stewart crockery color.  LOL!

Moosemom, do you have any questions? You are the only one that takes a reasonable approach to discussion for which I am grateful even though there are elements we have simply agreed to disagree on. Have a great day Moosemom and don't get burnt at the tanning solon. Red skin is really a pain,

God bless,

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« Reply #120 on: February 02, 2012, 12:34:44 PM »

"Moby the Whale Pale"...sounds like a new Martha Stewart crockery color.  LOL!

Moosemom, do you have any questions? You are the only one that takes a reasonable approach to discussion for which I am grateful even though there are elements we have simply agreed to disagree on. Have a great day Moosemom and don't get burnt at the tanning solon. Red skin is really a pain,

God bless,

Peter

No, I don't have any questions...for now!  haha! 

Unfortunately, while I was growing up in the inferno that is Texas, no one had really ever heard of sunscreen.  And we'd spend all summer in the pool.  I recall only once ever getting sunburned, but once was quite enough, thank you very much.  I am hoping that my many years in England where the sun never shines and my current vigilant use of suncreen with an SPF of about a million will keep me from getting skin cancer. 

I would NEVER go to a tanning salon.  EVER!  If that means I'm Moby Whale Pale, so be it.

Hope you are feeling better now that you have some iron in you!  Glad to see you back on the board; it shows you are well enough to get mad.  LOL!  That's a GOOD thing!
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« Reply #121 on: February 02, 2012, 12:44:05 PM »

"Moby the Whale Pale"...sounds like a new Martha Stewart crockery color.  LOL!

Moosemom, do you have any questions? You are the only one that takes a reasonable approach to discussion for which I am grateful even though there are elements we have simply agreed to disagree on. Have a great day Moosemom and don't get burnt at the tanning solon. Red skin is really a pain,

God bless,

Peter

No, I don't have any questions...for now!  haha! 

Unfortunately, while I was growing up in the inferno that is Texas, no one had really ever heard of sunscreen.  And we'd spend all summer in the pool.  I recall only once ever getting sunburned, but once was quite enough, thank you very much.  I am hoping that my many years in England where the sun never shines and my current vigilant use of suncreen with an SPF of about a million will keep me from getting skin cancer. 

I would NEVER go to a tanning salon.  EVER!  If that means I'm Moby Whale Pale, so be it.

Hope you are feeling better now that you have some iron in you!  Glad to see you back on the board; it shows you are well enough to get mad.  LOL!  That's a GOOD thing!

Ah you bloody white pale face. How dare you reject brown skin by avoiding the tanning salon. That is racist propaganda!! LOL

Yes, I was quite low on my iron, but didn't have a lot of fun with all the endotoxin exposure with standard dialysis. Horrible not using ultra-pure dialysate. Headache, queezy butterfly feeling in my belly, out of sorts. Not fun. I will write on that later and the endotoxins that need to be addressed in dialysis here in America.

Have a good day Moosemom, thanks for the laughs,

God bless,

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« Reply #122 on: February 02, 2012, 12:52:47 PM »

Hemodoc, wait a minute....did you have to have dialysis in a clinic while you were getting your iron infusion?  Yes, please...do write more about endotoxin exposure.  We could all use one more thing to worry about.

BTW, your blog post re higher reimbursement to nephrologists...that was brilliant.  Oh, SNAP!  I'd have commented on your blog, but I was afraid of sounding snarky.  I don't mind sounding snarky on IHD.  lol!
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« Reply #123 on: February 02, 2012, 12:53:14 PM »

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« Reply #124 on: February 02, 2012, 12:58:56 PM »

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"When I talk about shared responsibility, it's because I genuinely believe that in a time when many folks are struggling and at a time when we have enormous deficits, it's hard for me to ask seniors on a fixed income or young people with student loans or middle-class families who can barely pay the bills to shoulder the burden alone," Obama said.

"But for me as a Christian, it also coincides with Jesus' teaching that, for unto whom much is given, much shall be required," he said.

http://my.news.yahoo.com/obama-links-economic-policies-christian-faith-160414907.html

His royal highness King Obama needs to take a bit of lessons from the Bible that he is stating he understands and worships when in fact his actions speak otherwise. (What was that Jesus said about wolves in sheep's clothing?)

Matthew 7:15     Ά Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16     Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17     Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18     A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19     Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20     Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Now, some real Bible teaching on national finance Gerald.

Deuteronomy 15:5     Only if thou carefully hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all these commandments which I command thee this day.
6     For the LORD thy God blesseth thee, as he promised thee: and thou shalt lend unto many nations, but thou shalt not borrow; and thou shalt reign over many nations, but they shall not reign over thee.

Deuteronomy 28:12     The LORD shall open unto thee his good treasure, the heaven to give the rain unto thy land in his season, and to bless all the work of thine hand: and thou shalt lend unto many nations, and thou shalt not borrow.

13     And the LORD shall make thee the head, and not the tail; and thou shalt be above only, and thou shalt not be beneath; if that thou hearken unto the commandments of the LORD thy God, which I command thee this day, to observe and to do them:

President Obama continues to show his contempt for Christianity when he falsely attributes his views to that of God. He is a hypocrite to do so claiming his economic policies stem from the Bible. Sorry, he is blatantly confused.

Instead, I believe he is simply applying one of Saul Alinski's rules for radicals:

4. "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules. You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity."

I truly hope that Obama directly challenges God. It is always interesting to see God respond to that type of provocation. Remember what they said about the Titanic? I have seen absolutely no fruits of the Bible in Obama's policies. He would be wise not to provoke the Lord.

PSALM 2

WHY do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
2     The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,
3     Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
4     He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.
5     Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.
6     Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
7     I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
8     Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
9     Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
10     Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.
11     Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
12     Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.
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Peter Laird, MD
www.hemodoc.info
Diagnosed with IgA nephropathy 1998
Incenter Dialysis starting 2-1-2007
Self Care in Center from 4-15-2008 to 6-2-2009
Started  Home Care with NxStage 6-2-2009 (Qb 370, FF 45%, 40L)

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