What do you think of dialysis patients that uses the services of prostitutes?

[CAPD]

At my dialysis unit I am friendly with nearly all of the patients there. I have recently learned that two of them regularly uses the services provided by prostitutes. They've given up on courting altogether and have decided to pay for sex. Do you think this is morally wrong OR do you think it is wrong to pass moral judgement and begrudge two lonely old men from having some sexual gratification? Goodness knows how they manage to pay for it on disability allowance. But it is a need, I guess.

[Epoman]

At my dialysis unit I am friendly with nearly all of the patients there. I have recently learned that two of them regularly uses the services provided by prostitutes. They've given up on courting altogether and have decided to pay for sex. Do you think this is morally wrong OR do you think it is wrong to pass moral judgement and begrudge two lonely old men from having some sexual gratification? Goodness knows how they manage to pay for it on disability allowance. But it is a need, I guess.

Uh oh here's one of those touchy topics that can drive members away from a forum depending on the replies. So instead of locking or deleting this thread which is against what this site is all about. Here goes, I would say it all depends on a number of factors. The first being what are your morals? I won't even begin to discuss the legalities of it because the laws of prostitution vary from country to country, and if your in the U.S.A. well then you could drive to Nevada, but even then only 1 or 2 cities in Nevada allow prostitution. But back to morals what do you believe is right? is it OK to pay a woman for sex? That is something you need to figure out. Second, how old are you? if your young then I say you should try harder to get out and meet people there are many women on dialysis BUT you do not have to limit yourself to female dialysis patients just because you are on dialysis. I say young because you say "Two lonely old men" well what is your definition of old? 40's,50's,60's,70's or 80+ one persons definition of old is young to another. If you are late 60's or late 70's then I understand it is harder to meet people and I understand a man has needs (as do women) even at that age. Another factor you need to consider is diseases, you already have "Chronic Kidney Failure" do you really want to possibly add "Herpes", "Gonorrhea" or maybe even "HIV/AIDS"? Condoms are not foolproof and prostitutes sleep with a lot of men and you never know what they may be carrying. To give you an analogy a beautiful apple may look delicious and tasty on the outside but it can have worms and be rotten in the inside. I hope no one takes offense to that analogy. I would say don't be a follower just because they take the easy road, have you even tried to go on dates and court women? There are many places to meet new people of any age group. When you get out and meet people I would be honest with them and let them know soon after meeting them your situation. It could actually work in your favor, it could be a great conversation starter. Have you ever considered some of the online dating services like eHarmony.com? Unless all you want and care about is sex with no gratifying relationship, after the prostitute leaves you are all alone again until you call her again. Having sex is great and fun but have a lasting relationship with someone that you can laugh, cry, have good times and bad times, and of course have sex with is much more rewarding and fulfilling not only to you but the person you meet. I know this really didn't answer your question but I hope it gives you something to think about.

[LifeOnHold]

What do I think?  I think they're two disgusting old pigs who are going straight to Hell!   


I think that how an old guy manages to take care of his sexual needs is his own business... doesn't matter if he's on dialysis or not.

[CAPD]

Epoman, I am from the UK and prostitution is illegal here. I believe if a man is willing to pay and treat the prostitute as a human being and just have normal, regular sex (nothing kinky) and the chick is okay with it--then if everyone is okay with it then it's okay. I am 24, Epoman. Old for me is anyone over 40 >. I have used prostitutes, not often, but I have paid for it. You know, I have never really considered or given much thought to STDs. I use call girls (they're different to street corner hookers, they're a class above) and those girls are with an agency and the agency screen them, I think, not really sure. They do go and get check ups. I figure seeing as I already have renal, STDs don't scare me. If I were to get HIV or whatever I would probably just kill myself b/c I already have one foot in the grave with renal so I might as well. I always use condoms, for straight sex and for blowjobs. They insist we do, they have to protect themselves against us as well. I like your apple analogy. It works the other way too, a ugly looking fruit that turns out to be really sweet. I have considered using online dating sites, still mulling it over.

LifeOnHold, honey, you're entitled to your opinion, but I know if you had a penis and you were in my shoes, you would do exactly the same thing.   

[Rerun]

Jesus!  Just go hire someone fast so we don't have to read this crap.  Just go F' someone! Just go get a blow up doll and then you will have your stupid girlfriend or whatever and it is a one time cost no condom or anything!  Don't they jack off in England?  You know the "going blind" is a bunch of crap!   

[CAPD]

Rerun, you are being facetious. 

[Rerun]

Hey, CAPD (Cat After Possible date)  why don't you go introduce yourself like the rest of us, so we know about your "kidney" or  "dialysis" history instead of your perverted sexual whims.  This is ihatedialysis.com not   idon'tgetanysexondialysis.com   

[Epoman]

Hey, CAPD (Cat After Possible date)  why don't you go introduce yourself like the rest of us, so we know about your "kidney" or  "dialysis" history instead of your perverted sexual whims.  This is ihatedialysis.com not   idon'tgetanysexondialysis.com   

Good advice, I ask that all member who post here please create a new post in the "Introduce Yourself" section. So that way we can understand the person behind the posts.

[ohhmygolly]

 i do not feel that anyone should use sex for sell --but is it a sin -- i will let god do his job and pass whatever blessing or judgement he wants  
the part i think is sad is a lot of patients are on some kind of goverment hand out so are we talking about my tax dollars going for this ??

[Epoman]

i do not feel that anyone should use sex for sell --but is it a sin -- i will let god do his job and pass whatever blessing or judgement he wants  
the part i think is sad is a lot of patients are on some kind of goverment hand out so are we talking about my tax dollars going for this ??

I hope your not referring to collecting "Social Security Disability" that is NOT a "hand out". I had money taken out of my paycheck to cover me in case I got chronically ill as all workers in the USA do. Granted I did not pay into the system as long as most people. However I did have enough credits to deserve it, according to the Social Security Administration. And some people die before they even get to use it themselves so it all works out in the end.

I will personally be offended if you were revering to Social Security benefits as a "hand out"

[LifeOnHold]

I only just made the 'quarters'-- if I hadn't started working at the factory at age 18, I'd have never qualified for disability.

I worked in a sweatshop factory 10 hours a day to get my quarters-- I would hardly classify that as a 'handout.'

When I went to Social Security after I started dialysis, I got ALL kinds of attitude from the worker-- a prejudiced black woman who seemed personally offended that a white girl was daring to ask for help.  She was further ticked off because I knew that Medicare coverage was guaranteed because I had ESRD-- she kept saying, "Well, you might not get it!"  Finally I said, "People with End Stage Renal Disease are automatically covered-- how could I not get it?"  Oh boy, was she pissed that I knew that!  Medicaid depends on your income, but the Medicare doesn't-- that depends on how many quarters you've worked, and I knew that I had them... apparently, this worker was still confusing Medicare with Medicaid!  Scary thought, that people like that are in charge of determining eligibility!

[CAPD]

If you're entitled, you're entitled; if you're not, you're not -- these social security personel need to cool it with the attitude. It makes my blood boil. LifeOnHold, you should have given that black bitch a piece of your mind and then write a letter of complaint.

Epoman, do you get dirty looks and/or attitude when you go and pickup your benefits?

[Epoman]

If you're entitled, you're entitled; if you're not, you're not -- these social security personel need to cool it with the attitude. It makes my blood boil. LifeOnHold, you should have given that black bitch a piece of your mind and then write a letter of complaint.

Epoman, do you get dirty looks and/or attitude when you go and pickup your benefits?

I don't have to deal with it, I get direct deposit.

[ohhmygolly]

i am so sorry  -  i was not talking about social security or medicare-----being from a border state that has more than 200 people on dialysis from other countrys that never paid taxs or anything else into this country. many are here illegal that is the people i was talking about
 i'm sorry i did not make that plane i will try to do better in the future

[Epoman]

i am so sorry  -  i was not talking about social security or medicare-----being from a border state that has more than 200 people on dialysis from other countrys that never paid taxs or anything else into this country. many are here illegal that is the people i was talking about
 i'm sorry i did not make that plane i will try to do better in the future

No problem, I understand. I was just shocked for a moment.

[Wizard]

I beleive in the government keeping out of people's bedroom. And before the flaming begins, yes I do go to church on Sunday if I am not home sick in bed. If a man or woman feels he needs a service for the bedroom then PLEASE use a condom.

[Jaybird]

Wow this is an old thread.
I just thought I'd leave my 2 cents on it though.

I've been to many countries where prostitution is legal, and some where its not.
But even when its not legal, there's still a crap load of people doing it and paying for it. Its one of the oldest "professions" in the world.

Side note. My grandma told me how hookers got their names. In the American civil war, General Hooker had allot of "camp followers", and they became known as hookers. I guess the name stuck.

Anyway, its a pretty dirty profession but I think its your body, you do what you want to with it. Just don't be surprised if you get the gift that keeps on giving though. (Babies or disease). Same goes for people payin.

Not quite sure I made the point I was thinking about. Anyway, its my 2 cents.
-Jaybird

[st789]

JayBird, were you in the navy before?

A friend of my was in the Navy for 6 yrs, he also had the same perspective like you.

He stationed in Japan, Korea and Hong Kong.

[keefer51]

I never paid for sex. Wait a minute i was married three times! i guess it has something to do with my age and blood pressure meds and being on dialysis doesn't help either. My Doc has given me a script for Viagra. I am on social security and have medicare a&b. I am on state renal too. But neither one will help pay for it. I guess they figure if you on disabilty you don't deserve to have any sex.

[Jaybird]

Hahah, thats funny keefer. I figure I've paid for sex everytime I've had it if I look at in that perspective. My wife wouldn't like to think of it like that though =).

And St789, I was in the navy for 5 years and stationed in Japan. When I went to Thailand, prostitution was thrown in my face at every corner, and when I went to Australia we went to a "club" and didn't know it was a front for prostitution. In Singapore it was like that too, but I'm not sure if it was legal there. I didn't partake, but I had many friends who did. The atmosphere in which they worked was a bar, and they got there "patrons" nice and drunk before soliciting. Alotta guys didn't need to be drunk, but it helped for those with moral delimmas's. Basically after I found out how those places worked, I got the "buddy system".  The buddy system was just making sure that I went out with married or guys that had girlfriends back home and we stuck together and kept each other from making mistakes. I had to pull my friends outa bars more than once to keep them from doing something they would regret later.

In Thailand, I liked going to those bars, because they also put the fight arena in them. Alcohol, violence and sex all sell and I liked to partake in 2/3 so I always went.

My 2 more cents.

-79Jaybird

[tweetykiss]

I say let God be the judge of it all since I am not qualified in the least and it is his job anyway....lol.....

[st789]

Being married 3 times, I think Keefer have plenty of sex in a life time already, heeee.  Talk about high blood pressure and take Viagra for sex, Wow for kidney patients.....Too much isn't it?

Jaybird, I heard many unreal and easy accessible to the services especially in Thailand.  Just that you have to be 100% sure you know what you are getting into because there are many freaky stuffs that can surprised you in Thailand.

Sometimes, I wish I could enlist in the service so I get to travel to different places to see a whole new world if it was not for this damn kidney thing.  Oh, well......

[larry781]

If I may add my two pennies to this:
I feel the same way about disabled people using prostitutes the same way I feel about the general population using them: unless you are in that one small area of the country where it is legal (the outskirts of Las Vegas NV, I think), it is wrong.

Most prostitutes are in that "profession" either because they are indentured to the people who illegally brought them into the country, or are supporting a drug addiction. Many prostitutes were victims of molestation while younger. Anyway, anyone who engages a prostitute is helping perpetuate one of the worst human situations in this country.

[glitter]

If I may add my two pennies to this:
I feel the same way about disabled people using prostitutes the same way I feel about the general population using them: unless you are in that one small area of the country where it is legal (the outskirts of Las Vegas NV, I think), it is wrong.

Most prostitutes are in that "profession" either because they are indentured to the people who illegally brought them into the country, or are supporting a drug addiction. Many prostitutes were victims of molestation while younger. Anyway, anyone who engages a prostitute is helping perpetuate one of the worst human situations in this country.

I think there are more willing participants then you would think- I used to waitress third shift, and when the dancers came in after the topless clubs closed- many a truck driver paid them for sex in their trucks. We even had one enterprising young lady who would park her motorhome in the empty parkinglot and advertise on the CB- I used to get really busy with fellas waiting thier turn and eating breakfast 'after'. I do think its a dirty profession, just because how clean can you stay serviceing dif. men all night...its all about choices for some people- there are alot of people molested as children who do not turn to that kind of life. And clearly there seems to be a need for the service.

[Jaybird]

I agree with some of what you said larry, but I don't think it matters at all if its legal or not. If you think its wrong then its wrong regardless of legality. Laws are just rules that others impose upon us. Just because in one place you can smoke weed and pay for sex and its legal, doesn't make it ok if your think its morally objectionable. Its just like a speed limit. I follow them because if I dont I'll get in trouble, but I would go faster if I wouldn't get in trouble for it. I happen to agree with many of the laws in my society, but not all of them. And if your religious, then you know the only laws that count are those of your religion, because those are the laws that are going to follow you into your next life.

Jaybird

Also, I'm surprised at how many people are replying to this. heh I didn't mean to revive this topic, but I guess everyone has there opinion.