Organ Failure

[Hemodoc]

Dear Stauffenberg,

If we are to follow your concept of avoiding negative comments, then we should instead just throw out all debate rules on this site.  Let me give others just a few examples of you attributing to my character: “medical misinformation,” “defective ability to doctor,” “Pleased with lynchings,” “in favor of genocide against the sick.”

One of the definitions of a lie is:

Lie: anything that gives or is meant to give a
               false impression

I contend that all of the following negative attacks against me are designed to give a false impression of my comments. Yes, I stand by my comment that you have made false impressions against my comments.  Whether you or others wish to consider that a lie, I will leave to others judgements.  This is even more blatant in your numerous blasphemous comments on my religion.  Yes, I agree, please keep negative comments off of this site.  You could contribute more to this than anyone else on this site by simply keeping your own advice.


“Golly, Hemodoc, no matter how much data I cite in my arguments, you just go breezing past, constantly spreading your medical misinformation as though you hadn't even read my posts.”

http://ihatedialysis.com/forum/index.php?topic=9502.msg162291#msg162291

“I sincerely hope I never have to rely on a doctor for treatment whose understanding of his primary and overriding commitment to helpling the sick is as defective as yours is.” 

http://ihatedialysis.com/forum/index.php?topic=8946.msg146268#msg146268


“I feel like a Black man listening to someone talking about how pleased he is with lynchings.”

http://ihatedialysis.com/forum/index.php?topic=8946.msg146691#msg146691

“By trapping dialysis patients in a medical and legal system which unnecessarily and artificially denies them transplants in the numbers needed or as quickly as needed, society imposes on them conditions of life which destroys them in whole or in part.  Denying financial inducements for organ donation is just one part of this lethal, genocidal trap.”

http://ihatedialysis.com/forum/index.php?topic=8946.msg146004#msg146004

“I am surprised to find that someone who calls himself a doctor would be in favor of genocide against the sick.”

http://ihatedialysis.com/forum/index.php?topic=8946.msg145657#msg145657

[Hemodoc]

Dear Wallyz, once again, my point is that daily home dialysis is complementary and not competing.  I have never stated it is superior morally or medically.  You are confusing my objection against making kidneys a commodity to be bought and sold without noting that we do have a moral obligation to take responsibility for our own treatment options without imposing upon another man's adverse financial situation.  Many agree that this is legalized exploitation of the poor and on this ground, I and many others object. 

You have once again juxtaposed a false inference laying claim that I hold dialysis superior medically or morally from kidney transplantation.  Your assertions are not supported by my statements or those of the NKF.

I have not once disparaged live donation.  Please try to keep your facts correct.

[thegrammalady]

i finally got around to reading this entire chain of posts. my head is spinning and i'm going to go sit on the sidelines and be dizzy. in a minute anyway.
my 

while i don't think donors of any type should be handed a check they should be fully compensated for their time and medical costs and i don't see why that should be considered paying for their donation after all we compensate a surrogate mother for her living expenses and medical costs and don't call it buying a baby.

those of you on the sidelines, move over, here i come

[Sunny]

I am still "on the fence" and contemplating whether I will opt for a transplant or dialysis. I have aprox 20% functioning kidneys.
It is in viewing perspectives like these presented here on this strand (with the many links), that a person like me becomes educated and able to make an informed decision when my time to make the "Big" decision arrives: Transplant vs Dialysis. It is imperative discussions like these be allowed to proceed, though it would be nice if personal bashing could be left aside. Both Stauff and Hemodoc have relavant information to provide. This forum is better because ALL perspectives are allowed. Information is presented, people can decide for themselves. I like seeing the arguments people make on topics discussed. Some are more passionate than others; some are more logical. Either way, the personal convictions evoked provides for educational and even entertaining discussions (and if you can't handle it, simply pass over this strand and move on to others).

[Chris]

Crap! I need to build a bigger bench or stadium for everyone else watching

Otherwise I need to tape this and call it "As The World Turns"
-Crap that title has been taken already

[Sluff]

Sluff: In your original statement of your fixed rule for governing this forum you clearly and emphatically stated that "ANY FURTHER PERSONAL ATTACKS," which clearly means FROM THAT MOMENT ON, will result in suspension from the IHD message board for the person making the attack for 90 days.  Now that you have before you undeniable proof that a FURTHER PERSONAL ATTACK, coming well your announcement of the rule, has been made against me, instead of enforcing the rule fairly and honestly to protect me by it, after I have abided by it myself, you now push back the goal posts and pretend that the rule DID NOT REALLY MEAN WHAT IT SAID.  Oh no, all the rule meant was that you were going to say at the next violation, that ANY FURTHER attacks AFTER THAT NEXT ATTACk would be punished.  What are you going to say the next time the rule is openly flouted?  That the rule will kick in on the next attack after that?  Either you have a rule or you don't.  Either you are going to enforce it honestly and fairly to protect all members or you aren't.

As for Hemodoc, with the following support of Zach, calling me a LIAR, being somehow in what you call "the grey area" between disagreement and personal attack, I must confess I cannot follow your logic.  What constitutes a more personal attack than calling someone a liar?  Also, Hemodoc's vicious, personal (and profoundly UNCHRISTIAN!) attack on me is even more emphatically made a personal attack and not merely a theoretical disagreement by his adding that my "lies and misrepresentations will be noted for the source it comes from," CLEARLY indicating that it is ME PERSONALLY who is to be regarded as so corrupt and defective that merely knowing that any statement comes from me already proves that it constitutes lies or misinformation.

If you won't enforce honestly and fairly your very own rule when it should protect me, after I have carefully abided by it, then I don't see why I should ever contribute to this forum again.

It is not my rule. It is the forum rule that Epoman set in motion. I will enforce the rule when and if I see fit. The decision rests on the Administration team on a case by case basis. That rule has been on the forum from the beginning when Epoman set the rules. If you really want to challenge me on this you can PM me. Otherwise keep this out of the forums. Any future challenges in public forum, will force me to take a defensive posture regarding this subject. No matter how I fix this issue someone will be offended and I will get a bunch of PM's from all sides of the subject. Administration makes the final decision and we have decided that a warning was appropriate. Anyone who knows me, also knows I have no problem using the ban button if necessary, however I try to be patient because sometimes what is typed is not always taken as intended. We try to do what we think is best for the forum.
If you decide to take your ball and go home than I guess that is your choice. I want you to know that I hope you don't leave, but threatening me will not change my mind.

Sluff/Administrator

[karen547]

  I mean really, this is turning into something its not supposed to. Everyone should respect others opinions, whether they PERSONALLY agree with them or not. Epoman would be disappointed in us for fighting like children over this, so can we all just play nice??

[Zach]

Epoman would be disappointed in us for fighting like children over this, so can we all just play nice??

Actually, I would like to think that he's enjoying this immensely.

[vandie]

Epoman would be disappointed in us for fighting like children over this, so can we all just play nice??

Actually, I would like to think that he's enjoying this immensely.

I have to agree with Zachariah on this one.  Epoman was all for a good debate.
xoxo

[paris]

Epoman would have been pulling up a chair, getting out the  , and watching the feathers fly!  He loved a good debate.  He believed in giving us a safe place to voice our opinions.  I don't like it when it gets personal--just my

[Sluff]

Epoman did love a good debate and he would be right in there debating it as well. 

[karen547]

I get that, but the two of them just keep personally attacking one another