Hi, New Member Here

[enginist]

Hey Jules,

Like you, I'm in Stage 3, and like you, I don't want to be a perpetual patient.  Accordingly, I have made it clear in my heath care directive that I don't want dialysis.  Because of the inevitable complications, I don't want any major surgery, not even a transplant.  I think that medically managed kidney failure would be a fairly painless way to die.  The virus, in comparison, could result in a slow, difficult death.  And who wants to deteriorate?  Or to live in a nursing home?  As someone else once said, "Die early and avoid the fate."

[Paul]

I think that medically managed kidney failure would be a fairly painless way to die.

Wrong. Your choice of course, but if you decide to die, death by slowly collapsing kidney is one of the worst ways.

[fifal9]

Hi enginist - It's nice to see another stage 3'er here. I think managing kidney failure at stage 3 is a lot different that when on dialysis based on all the things I've been learning. So maybe we can give each other tips.

Thanks for the input, but I don't see how you can so emphatically say 'wrong' Paul - You don't know every person's situation. You don't know what people might prefer.
Also, I think you missed a couple key words - "medically managed".

[Paul]

I don't see how you can so emphatically say 'wrong' Paul - You don't know every person's situation.

When I said "wrong" I was NOT referring to a person's choice to die, that is always up to them. I was referring to the comment "failure would be a fairly painless way to die": That does not vary as to a person's personal situation, it is a painful, unpleasant, horrible way to die whoever you are. If you want further collaboration, speak to a nephrologist who has been treating people long enough to have treated a dying patient, or someone with a friend or loved one who has suffered this fate.

[Simon Dog]

I think that medically managed kidney failure would be a fairly painless way to die.

Wrong. Your choice of course, but if you decide to die, death by slowly collapsing kidney is one of the worst ways.

There is a huge difference between dying quickly because you are on D and have no function left and dying from a protracted slow decline in renal function.

Home hemo patients have the tools for a quick and painless death that is obvious to anyone who is a member of the BTDT club.