War on Women

[noahvale]

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[noahvale]

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[AnnieB]

That was supposed to be a *joke*, Noah <sigh>. Tories and Whigs, right?

[MooseMom]

Noahvale,

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/26/us-usa-voting-southcarolina-idUSBRE87P03Q20120826?feedType=RSS

http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2012/8/25/pastors_criticize_ch.html

http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/voting_law_changes_in_2012

http://www.trcommons.org/2012/04/the-changes-in-voting-laws/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/republicans-rewriting-state-election-laws-in-ways-that-could-hurt-democrat/2011/09/15/gIQApcuhVK_story.html

Yes, citizens over the age of 18 who are not convicted felons have the RIGHT to vote, but what is being challenged is whether or not they will be allowed to cast their vote and what will be required for them to do so AT THE POLLS.  Citizens who have voted in the past because they have registered in the proper manner will now, in some states, be required to show further ID that may be difficult for them to obtain for whatever reason.  Where I live, all I have to do is show up and give my name.  The election official looks up my name on the roll and then gives me a ballot.  I don't have to give any further ID.  So, why has there been this drive in certain republican-led states to impose further requirements on voters despite the fact they are already registered and therefore listed on their district's election rolls?  So, instead of calling me hyperbolic, why not answer some of my questions?  Why not look at the links above with an open mind and ask yourself why there is this sudden, sweeping fear of massive voter fraud?  Are the election officials in republican led states so inefficient and corrupt that there has been a voter fraud problem in those states?

 http://staugustine.com/news/local-news/2012-08-17/federal-court-rejects-florida-early-voting-changes

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/13/opinion/a-rejection-of-discrimination.html?_r=1

So no, not all challenges have passed court muster.



Truly, why do you think there has been this sudden drive to demand more ID at the polls?  Do you really think that Democrats don't care about this country?  Do you really not see the irony here, that it is republican led states that are demanding more ID from already registered voters...to hell with a citizen's right to vote?  Do you truly not see what you are saying? 

And by the way, remember how you accused me of hyperbole when I wrote about the legacy of slavery being felt even now?  All of these voting regulations and the changes proposed are a direct legacy of slavery and voter repression of minorities.  See how our past sins still keep us in chains?
 

[MooseMom]

Wait wait wait, noahvale.  This discussion is supposed to be about the "war on women", so I'm not going to let you distract me from that topic.  I asked you some very direct questions and pointed out that the war on women, particularly on poor women (defined as a battle to restrict women's access to health care that includes contraception) is ongoing at the state level, especially in red, southern states despite whatever any "platform" may say.  I'm very eager to hear your reply.  I don't especially care about debating voter ID regulations unless you want to start a new thread.  My apologies for getting off-topic.

[jbeany]

  My apologies for getting off-topic.

We're in the political section, MM.  None of these threads ever stay on topic!

Naked in Vegas? Does this have anything to do with the IHD sauna?   

No sauna that I heard about - just google Prince Harry in Vegas.  By now, he should know better to have that much fun with anyone with a camera around....   I haven't seen the pics, since my ultra-conservative local paper wouldn't dream of printing them, but I did laugh out loud at the "man on the street" interview quotes from some British citizens asked for their reaction.  Most of them boiled down to "So?  If I was a single, 27 year old prince, I would be hitting it with two women at the same time too."

Note that neither of the women released pics of themselves.  Perhaps the men waging war on women ought to consider the capabilities of their enemy before starting the next battle.

[Poppylicious]

If you really want to stop abortions, then make birth control widely available and FREE! 

As I'm sure you're aware MM, the contraceptive pill, the coil and contraceptive implants are all free over here (as are condoms if you're willing to go into one of the places that dishes them out instead of spend lots of money in the shops!) so this idea interested me.  I did a little (basic) research and discovered that in both 2010 and 2011 there were 17.5 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15-44 in England and Wales.  In the States in 2008 (I can't find any more recent figures) there were 19.6 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15-44. I'm not good at maths and statistics (barely scraped a C in my GCSE!) but this doesn't seem to be a massive difference, which either suggests free contraception doesn't work, or those of us who are English/Welsh need to be far better educated, sexually!

... but I did laugh out loud at the "man on the street" interview quotes from some British citizens asked for their reaction.  Most of them boiled down to "So?  If I was a single, 27 year old prince, I would be hitting it with two women at the same time too."

Yes, that sums it up; we really couldn't give a damn what Harry gets up to over here; both he and Prince Phillip make the royal family much less stuffy and far more approachable and that can only be a good thing.

 

[Rerun]

Our state just passed a liquor law where large stores like Safeway or Walmart can have booze.  So, I will buy it now.  Just put it in my cart along with my bread and pasta.  No way would I go into a Liquor store by myself.  (not that I'm a huge alcoholic)

So, I see where young people would not want to be seen going into the FREE birth control place. 

[Poppylicious]

So, I see where young people would not want to be seen going into the FREE birth control place.

Over here you would initially see your GP and then possibly the practice nurse, both at the surgery.  Nobody would know why you were seeing them so there's no stigma attached. 

[Rerun]

What surgery?  I'm just talking about going to get free condoms.

[Bill Peckham]

What surgery?  I'm just talking about going to get free condoms.

In British English Surgery = a place where a doctor or dentist gives treatment = Office in American English

[Rerun]

What surgery?  I'm just talking about going to get free condoms.

In British English Surgery = a place where a doctor or dentist gives treatment = Office in American English

Thank you.  I learn something everyday.   

[Gerald Lively]

Here I am after struggling with the password guru who wouldn’t let me in.  By reading these wonderful words of prose, you know that I succeeded.  Now that I’m here, I forgot what I wanted to say.

Oh yeah!  Women!.

I have no rational idea why government wants to mess with medical procedures that take place between a women and her doctor.  Ric Santorum’s comments that contraceptives create an opportunity for recreational sex which is, in his moral judgment, is kinky and can lead to all sorts of deviant activities.  One of us should write and ask just exactly what those deviant activities are lest I miss out on something.  Tell him we want to do these thing in the name of research.  We will not smile or otherwise signal that we are enjoying our work.

In order to overcome governments concern about contraception, I plan to stand on a street corner next to the lady with the beaded purse and offer condoms for free.

Say, does anyone think the Republicans will establish the bedroom police under Homeland Security?  They already search little girls and senior citizen women at the airport.  I wonder if they ever encountered a transvestite?

I think this issue will go away (or back to the states) if Obama is re-elected.  Romney blew his speech after he followed Clint Eastwood.  The entire convention was a PR show.  No one said anything, everyone had their hair combed and their tie properly knotted.  Didn’t see any black faces.

So, I sent a message to my kidney doctor that I will not be coming in for follow up meetings.  They cost $70 and we discuss my blood work, which I have already read.  I wonder if they’ll threaten me.  Can’t wait.  Did the same thing with my Urologist; they all look at the same thing then charge for an officer visit.

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[jbeany]

So, I sent a message to my kidney doctor that I will not be coming in for follow up meetings.  They cost $70 and we discuss my blood work, which I have already read.  I wonder if they’ll threaten me.  Can’t wait.  Did the same thing with my Urologist; they all look at the same thing then charge for an officer visit.

I call those my "movie monster" appointments.  Someone just HAS to get near it and poke at it with a stick to see if it's alive or dead.

  Didn’t see any black faces.

Well of course not - who is you think they are trying to "Take Back Our County" from?  Sometime I think the War on Women is some kind of compensation since they symbolically lost the War on Minorities when Obama was elected.  If they really need to compensate for their inadequacies that much, why can't they just buy a sports car like all the other rich middle-aged men?

[Rerun]

Who keeps bringing up race?  Who Cares?  Condi Rice?  Geeee I think she even spoke!         

It is not your Nephrologist fault that MEDICARE requires all kidney patients to have a monthly visit from your Kidney Specialist.  Maybe Paul Ryan can get at least that dumb requirement taken out if given the chance.  I do not need to see my Nephroogist unless I'm having problems.  AND he doesn't keep a schedule.... just pops in whenever.  It is hardly ever when I need him anyway.  What a waste of taxpayer's money.

Plus if you don't see him Mr. Lively.... Medicare will cut you off. 

BTW there was a CPS Social worker arrested here lately for having child pornography on his computer and selling it.  The FBI said it was the worst they had ever seen.  Men doing a two month old baby...... The CPS ex-worker said he was doing research.  Trying to get into the minds of men who get off on that kind of stuff.  All in the name of research!  Why should government intervene?

It all starts somewhere.  The degradation of moral beliefs.  Affairs are still illegal in Idaho.  Not that it stops anyone.  Affairs are still bad in my mind.  No one gets out of it unscathed.  What is beautiful to me is the thought of a couple getting married under the covenant of God and then sanctifying it.  Not that I did it that way.  But, I wish I would have.  Maybe it would have turned out better than it did. 

[deniferfer]

Sorry to jump in on the middle of this debate but I saw this pic and thought of this thread.

[jbeany]

Sorry to jump in on the middle of this debate but I saw this pic and thought of this thread.

Nice one!

[Gerald Lively]

Rerun:

I am not on dialysis.  Medicare won't stop paying because I am not utlizing any medical service.  Dialysis ended last March.  Aw better now.

[JustDee]

Gerald you started a heck of a great debate.  I love MooseMom more the ever....and not just cause I agree with her.  I think the government needs to get out of my pants....at my age that is just too too disgusting.  But if my 18 year old granddaughters get raped and abortion becomes illegal I would push that a law needs to go thru stating the man MUST support mother and child from time of conception.  The mother is going to go thru morning sickness, heartburn, gas, loss of work, need for good healthy food, new clothes, clothes and baby items, the list goes on and on and lots of labor pain and the MAN MUST be responsible.  If we are going to force women to go the entire nine yards (9 months actually) then the dad needs to be forced to do his part too...no walking away....he MUST go thru this too.  women rarely get pregnant alone and yet....over and over you see mothers going it alone...shouldn't be legal.  I totally believe that if one man ever gets pregnant all these arguments would go by the wayside....there would be government paid health care for that man immediately.  One thing you got to say about guys...they do take care of their own.  I love men...have 3 sons...grandsons...adore them...but they shouldn't be deciding what I do with MY BODY!!!
BTW Rerun....It seems odd to me that you are obviously anti choice but the death penatly doesn't seem to bother you...babies seem to hold more importance to you then adults....that's kind of sad!
 

[Rerun]

Mr. Lively, I didn't realize that your kidneys kicked back in.  Yeah, then tell those doctors to take a hike and you'll be back in if and when YOU decide.  You go!  Hope you are feeling good.

Just Dee, yeah, a baby is innocent and cute and a rapist has made his own choice and it is against the law of the land and I think death would be most appropriate and probably lessen the long list of sex offenders.  I'm not seeing that as 'sad'?...

Are you saying you put more importance on Adults than children or lower yet babies???  How sad is that??

[KAF454]

I think this issue will go away (or back to the states) if Obama is re-elected.  Romney blew his speech after he followed Clint Eastwood.  The entire convention was a PR show.  No one said anything, everyone had their hair combed and their tie properly knotted.  Didn’t see any black faces.

It will only go away if it loses its value as a wedge issue. It will be with us on some level as long as it attracts dollars or energizes a base.

[Hober Mallow]

Affairs are still bad in my mind.

Lots of things are bad. We don't make laws for everything bad. Freedom and personal responsibility, right?