Obama??

[BigSky]

What institutions are you thinking of Bigsky? You could go to Howard University if you wanted to (and have the grades) - I'd even chip in for your tuition. People of any sort are welcome at the so called black churches that I know of its just that most other sorts choose not to go.

Try reading all the posts next time.

Well the link to one is on the first page of posts I believe.

[BigSky]

At least in America we are working on it.  It may be a slow go, but some day it will happen.  I don't believe any race should have to give up their heritage, but I also don't believe that heritage should be used in hate and punishment
to the decendents coming down from all races.  And look folks, sarcasim doesn't fit into a discussion such as this one.

Love You All,
Mimi

One key point to all that is America as a whole didnt own slaves nor were racists.  Even today the majority of people are not racist.  Yet it is treated as such and it seems if anything happens the race card is thrown out despite race having nothing to do with it.

Such as Cynthia McKinney's little claim to fame for trying to blow past security and then assaulting the guard and then claiming it was because she was discriminated against because of her race.

[Mimi]

Yes Ms McKinney is from my state.  And she wasn't relected and her own race did that!

Mimi

[Bill Peckham]

What institutions are you thinking of Bigsky? You could go to Howard University if you wanted to (and have the grades) - I'd even chip in for your tuition. People of any sort are welcome at the so called black churches that I know of its just that most other sorts choose not to go.

Try reading all the posts next time.

Well the link to one is on the first page of posts I believe.

If you had tried reading and comprehending you'd know his church doesn't exclude anyone, you could join if you wanted to.

[BigSky]

If you had tried reading and comprehending you'd know his church doesn't exclude anyone, you could join if you wanted to.

Hmm comprehending?  I wasnt the one who asked a dumb ass question like you did, so my comprehension is fine. 

They SPECIFICALLY go out of their way to say they are a "black" church.   That in itself is racism for the very reason if a church was to call itself a "white" church they would be hounded as being racists.

[Bill Peckham]

If you had tried reading and comprehending you'd know his church doesn't exclude anyone, you could join if you wanted to.

Hmm comprehending?  I wasnt the one who asked a dumb ass question like you did, so my comprehension is fine. 

They SPECIFICALLY go out of their way to say they are a "black" church.   That in itself is racism for the very reason if a church was to call itself a "white" church they would be hounded as being racists.

You wrote: "Either open up to all or YES shut their doors."
Well their doors are open to you. Now you are saying that you don't like how they use language when they selfdescribe their church as a black church - that's a different matter.
I think your panties are in a bunch because you like having your panties in a bunch.

[BigSky]

You wrote: "Either open up to all or YES shut their doors."
Well their doors are open to you. Now you are saying that you don't like how they use language when they selfdescribe their church as a black church - that's a different matter.
I think your panties are in a bunch because you like having your panties in a bunch.

Letting others in as a "show" hardly gives any merit.   The very fact they claim to be a 'black" church speaks volumes.   

Seems you have a fetish for cross dressing bill. 
Clearly obvious by your attempt to project your panty fetish onto others to make you feel normal.

[xtrememoosetrax]

And look folks, sarcasim doesn't fit into a discussion such as this one.

Mimi,
I'm sorry if my post came across as sarcastic in tone; it was truly not intended.  I will admit, though, that I was feeling a little overheated, and I guess that's what came through.  I'll try to explain. 

Reading a statement like, "The thing that gets me with blacks, it is all right for them to have all black schools, all black beauty pagents, all black this, that, and the other.  But whites are not allowed to do this.  If we do, we are racists.  I believe blacks are more racists than whites," pushes my buttons big-time.  First of all, I think it is based on what Paris so politely called "non-facts" and a misunderstanding of history, sociology, economics, psychology, etc., but we could argue those points forever. 

The bigger problem I have with the statement you made is that when you paint with such a broad brush, it sounds like you're criticizing MY family members, MY dear friends (one of whom is the one I'm trying to give a kidney to), and other good people like our beloved IHD friend, Bajanne, and that just sets me right off, because it is not true of any of them.  Today, my rational mind tells me that of course you weren't talking about these people personally, but it was hard not to take it that way yesterday. 

Of course, you're free to think and say whatever you want, but when you make a blanket statement about a group that you are not part of, be it blacks, gays (oh dear God, let's not go there!), Filipinos, senior citizens or whomever, you're running the risk of unintentionally hurting a lot of people, most of whom will probably never say a word about it for fear of causing a confrontation; they'll just carry the hurt with them.  Without wanting to put words in anyone else's mouth, I suspect that this may be the point that both Paris and I were trying to make initially.  At any rate, that is MY point.

OK, I think I'm done with this now [the rest of IHD breathes a HUGE sigh of relief].  I'm glad that we at least agree on the overall goals of tolerance and harmony.

Peace,
xm

[Mimi]

Boys, Boys, Boys!!!  Remember we all put our pants on one leg at a time.

Mimi

[Mimi]

Reading a statement like, "The thing that gets me with blacks, it is all right for them to have all black schools, all black beauty pagents, all black this, that, and the other.  But whites are not allowed to do this.  If we do, we are racists.  I believe blacks are more racists than whites," pushes my buttons big-time.  First of all, I think it is based on what Paris so politely called "non-facts" and a misunderstanding of history, sociology, economics, psychology, etc., but we could argue those points forever.  

xm, to get one point straight, the sarcasm remark was NOT for you.  It was for some other members of the board.
The second point is I do not have a misunderstanding of history of the black race.  You and Paris imply that I have no
relationships with black people.  And that simply is not true.  When I was 9 months old my mother hired a black lady (and I say lady with the uttmost respect) to care for me so she could go back to work. She stayed with me until after I married.  If you don't think I loved and respected her, you are wrong. She took very good care of me and taught
me much.  Through the years I have had many black friends and one of the reasons I have is because this black
lady taught me alot about her culture.  It is so funny but if I had made this statement to any of my black friends they
would have immediately understood.  I am sorry I didn't make my point clearer.  Dumb me I thought everyone would
understand where I was coming from.  Having said that, one thing that pushes my buttons is when people jump on
the bandwagon and start preaching that I don't know my history, that I am not tolerant, hat I am hurting their family and friends.  I don't know you, and you don't know me and that is one thing that is very obvious in all of these posts.
Sometimes we all need to be held accountable, we all have blind spots, but first and formost we need to know the truth.

Love, Mimi

[xtrememoosetrax]

You know, Mimi, I have to admit that you have a point.  I DID make an implication that turns out not to be true, and I made some assumptions (albeit without quite realizing it at the time -- not a good excuse) that were not based on fact.  I hate it when other people make assumptions, and then. . . .   Suffice it to say that I feel chastened, and I would like to offer an apology.  And I guess I should say thank you, too, for the reminder about making assumptions; obviously, I needed it.

I guess this all goes to show that the old saying about what "ASSUME" means is as true as it ever was.  And that communicating clearly, especially about complicated subjects, is hard. 

Again, peace,
xm

[paris]

We certainly are heated on this thread and nothing will really change each others opinions.  Personally, I think we need to watch derogatory statements and condescending comments.
We all walk different paths on the same journey of life.  We don't know each others lifes; just what we share online.  There is so much more to all of us than renal disease.  Words can always be taken wrong when you aren't sitting face to face.  My original reply to Mimi's post was to say that the statement didn't sound like the Mimi she has let us know.  She always posts such loving thoughts, so I just needed a little clarification.  I called no one a racist.  I just know how I live my life. And to me, that is all that matters.  This all started because our country is at a milestone in history and a black man and a woman are running for president.  This will be written about in history books.  I have lived in many states, watched so much growth in our country and I am excited to see history being made.  Does it mean I support either one?  My husband doesn't even know that answer!  But, I do appreciate where we are in time (but I hate discussing politics, religion, and racism---no win situations).   Just my