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YouDontKnowCecil
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« on: September 01, 2011, 08:05:20 AM »

I am not a home hemo person, I am doing in-center (for the past 9.5 years for that matter). Recently I decided I don't want to deal with people who are bad sticks anymore in my life (my clinic is great, but there's always the possibility that someone bad might show up, or that I might move to a new area) and I figured no one can know my arm better than me, so I've begun training for self-cannulation and removing the needles on my own.

Here's my cannulation set-up: Left forearm arterio-venous fistula (10.5 years old!) using 15 gauge sharps (not buttonhole). I am right-handed. I haven't yet fully stuck in the needles; my preceptor puts it in partially, then I drive it home and flip it (I have to flip, otherwise I can't reach my optimal BFR ... this is another reason why I want to self-cannulate. I've been to clinics where they make it a big deal to have to flip, and don't flip unless arterial pressures are high. I know that my pressures will be high unless I flip, so I get that out of the way all the time before taping up). I was pretty much surprised at how much resistance there is from the skin (granted I have tons of scar tissue, but that's another story).

Anyway, I am not TOO worried about putting the needles in, or taking out a needle facing "up" (pointing to the elbow), because I can just use my left hand and pull on the tubing to pull the needle out safely into the guard. The clinic's policy is that needles pulled MUST be pulled into the guard if the patient is removing them by themselves. With the shape of my fistula, in some areas I have to insert the arterial needle "down" (pointing to the wrist). Inserting isn't a problem. Figuring out how to safely pull the needle and apply pressure from the "down" position is. I'm the only patient the clinic has known that has a down-pointing arterial cannulation that is attempting removing the needle by themselves. I came up with a system (ring & pinky partially putting pressure with gauze, middle finger holding the butterfly back, index and thumb slowly pulling the needle into the needle guard), and I tried it recently, but my timing was off and wasn't able to put pressure on in time. Fortunately, I had the tech hoover over me while I was attempting it and she stopped the bleeding.

I have considered buttonholes so that both my needles can be in the "up" positions on every stick (currently I use the ladder method to rotate my sites), but I do not want to pursue that option at this time

So basically, I am asking if anyone here has experience pulling a down-facing cannulation with only one hand, how to safely pull the needle and apply pressure at the same time with one hand when the needle is facing "down"?
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1987 summer (age 9), Renal biopsy confirms kidney disease (Alport Syndrome).
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« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2011, 09:40:54 AM »

So basically, I am asking if anyone here has experience pulling a down-facing cannulation with only one hand, how to safely pull the needle and apply pressure at the same time with one hand when the needle is facing "down"?

I don't, but boy does that sound tricky! I hope you get some good answers!
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« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2011, 12:48:19 PM »

You might want to ask on the Home Dialysis Central Forum -  under Stuart Motts section -- he is their cannulation expert.
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« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2011, 09:14:39 PM »

You might want to ask on the Home Dialysis Central Forum -  under Stuart Motts section -- he is their cannulation expert.

Can you please direct me to said forum? Thanks!
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2001 January (age 22), Arterio-venous fistula put in left forearm.
2002 March (age 23), Started in-center hemodialysis (12 years!).
2014 April (age 35), Now training for self home hemodialysis with NxStage.
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« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2011, 09:43:50 PM »

Can you please direct me to said forum? Thanks!

http://www.homedialysis.org/
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August 1980: Diagnosed with Familial Juvenile Hyperurecemic Nephropathy (FJHN)
8.22.10:   Began dialysis through central venous catheter
8.25.10:   AV fistula created
9.28.10:   Began training for Home Nocturnal Hemodialysis on a Fresenius Baby K
10.21.10: Began creating buttonholes with 15ga needles
11.13.10: Our first nocturnal home treatment!

Good health is just the slowest possible rate at which you can die.

The glass is neither half-full nor half-empty. The glass is just twice as large as it needs to be.

The early bird may get the worm but the second mouse gets the cheese.
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« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2011, 09:56:06 PM »

Cool thanks, found it:

http://forums.homedialysis.org/forumdisplay.php/20-Stuart-Mott-Cannulation-Expert
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2001 January (age 22), Arterio-venous fistula put in left forearm.
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« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2011, 01:42:25 PM »

Okay, don't tell my dentist I said this - but can you pull it with the tubing in your mouth?  Bend down a bit, bite down, and tug?
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« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2011, 10:08:17 PM »

Okay, don't tell my dentist I said this - but can you pull it with the tubing in your mouth?  Bend down a bit, bite down, and tug?

haha, before I could even ask anyone on the staff that, the tech that was with me said "don't ever use your teeth to pull it out." Apparently, using your teeth is against clinic policy. Probably not very sanitary either.  :)
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1987 summer (age 9), Renal biopsy confirms kidney disease (Alport Syndrome).
2001 January (age 22), Arterio-venous fistula put in left forearm.
2002 March (age 23), Started in-center hemodialysis (12 years!).
2014 April (age 35), Now training for self home hemodialysis with NxStage.
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« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2011, 10:36:44 PM »

I really like buttonholes.  I am in center and do it myself when my tech is sick or takes the day off.   Here is a video of me inserting the needles.  You would not have to worry about the sleeve when you take them out. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4-u04Jh3XM
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« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2011, 11:33:16 AM »

Oooh! I admire you all so much!
I just started using my fistula in Feb '11 and I cannot imagine sticking myself or pulling the needles out! *EWWW!* {{{shivers}}}
You have gotten me curious but I don't see it happening in the near future.
Good Luck everyone, you are definitely braver than I am!
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« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2011, 10:41:25 AM »

Oooh! I admire you all so much!
I just started using my fistula in Feb '11 and I cannot imagine sticking myself or pulling the needles out! *EWWW!* {{{shivers}}}
You have gotten me curious but I don't see it happening in the near future.
Good Luck everyone, you are definitely braver than I am!

To be fair, I have a very well-developed fistula with basically no virgin spots left.
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1987 summer (age 9), Renal biopsy confirms kidney disease (Alport Syndrome).
2001 January (age 22), Arterio-venous fistula put in left forearm.
2002 March (age 23), Started in-center hemodialysis (12 years!).
2014 April (age 35), Now training for self home hemodialysis with NxStage.
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« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2011, 11:02:06 PM »

I'm getting quite the hang of this by now, even though I do this with just one hand. Almost at the level where I can have it charted as "patient self-cannulates." :)
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1987 summer (age 9), Renal biopsy confirms kidney disease (Alport Syndrome).
2001 January (age 22), Arterio-venous fistula put in left forearm.
2002 March (age 23), Started in-center hemodialysis (12 years!).
2014 April (age 35), Now training for self home hemodialysis with NxStage.
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« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2011, 09:02:36 AM »

 :2thumbsup;
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