From: Dialysis Joe (Original Message) Sent: 04/10/2006 12:09 AM I have been disturbed to discover that many dialysis staff are attempting to return blood to patients when the hemodialysis blood circuit is clotted. Their rational for this action is motivated by the concern that a patient will be losing blood cells if they fail to return the blood.The most important issue to consider when a patient's hemodialysis blood circuit clots is the possibility that, if the blood is returned, the patient may receive a embolism, which can cause a pulmonary emboli, a heart attack, or a stoke. When you weigh the risk of losing 200ml to 250ml of whole blood, compared to the risks of giving your patient an emboli, losing the blood is the lesser of the two evils. In fact, they don't even compare.Anytime that a nurse or technician discovers a significant blood clot in the venous chamber, particularly if it has the ability to interfere with the flow of the patient's blood in the hemodialysis blood circuit, then it's time to worry about the possibilty of causing an embolism. In this case, it's better to simply throw the blood away and start over.Another major concern is why the blood clotted to begin with. Was the heparin loading dose and hourly heparin administered, as prescribed? Is the physician prescribing enough heparin to anticoagulate the patient significantly enough to get through the treatment? Has the patient's clotting times changed and why? All these questions need to be asked and answered. Otherwise, the situation may only be repeated, putting the patient at risk, again.Clearly, we don't want to give patients too much heparin. On the other hand, for better or worse, until a better drug comes along, heparin is the "oil" that makes hemodialysis possible.In the meantime, I believe that all facilities need to review their policies, making sure that their staff is aware of the dangers of returning clotted blood. Even micro-emboli can cause tremendous short and long term damage to patients. We must always keep in mind that the blood returning to the patient is quickly heading directly to their hearts. Once that blood hits the right ventricle, it then moves directly to the pulmonary tree. Any blood clots, micro or otherwise, that hit this area can cause a pulmonary emboli, which, if significant in size and number, can cause immediate death. Please consider that the next time a patients dialysis system clots up and you are making the decision whether, or not, to return the patient's blood. Joe Atkins, Managing EditorDialysis & Transplant City
In the past when my machine has clotted when I was in center, they did not return the blood, nor would I ever let them if they tried. The amount of blood loss is very minimal and is nothing to worry about. It is not worth the risk of getting an pulmonary emboli to save some blood cells. Good post Angie.
... What I want to know ... how do you know if you are clotting? I am still very new so I don't know *blush*
Quote from: angieskidney on October 17, 2006, 11:27:59 AM... What I want to know ... how do you know if you are clotting? I am still very new so I don't know *blush*I'm with you, Angie. How would you know there are clots or micro-emboli?
And if anyone attempts to use an old, no longer allowed procedure for returning blood involving "squeezing the bag" (which bypasses the venous chamber/air detector/clot filter) do not let them! But nobody should. My point is simply: it should not even be possible to return clotted blood, so you should not have to worry about it.
I read the last couple of posts last night and I read them to my husband,We have a question-is it also bad to squeeze the saline bag,like when they take your fluid a little low,and your pressure drops and they squeeze some back?
At the hospital some nurses still use the squeezing method , but at home I never do. I rather loose some blood than risking my fistula. I will never force my machine to give me my blood back...I too much of a chicken....