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Off-Topic => Political Debates - Thick Skin Required for Entry => Topic started by: MooseMom on February 20, 2016, 08:12:51 AM
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To our UK members, do you have any thoughts on June's EU referendum and the agreement reached with the EU by David Cameron?
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I don't completely understand what took Cameron and the EU committee members so long to agree. I understand that Britain can now pay child-allowance to foreign workers depending on the prosperity of the country where the kid is. For example The Netherlands and Belgium already do that anyway. The 7 (is it 7?) years suspension of in-work benefits for foreign workers is also a bit peculiar as this April the New Living wage begins, so a lot of workers (foreign and indigenous) wouldn't receive those anymore either.
The referendum is interesting. It depends a lot on the info that will be given in the popular media over the next few Months. But I think Britain will stay in The EU
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Well, well today early this morning at 5 the BBC actually showed a 2 minute docu about Switzerland which is not in the EU and pays billions per year just to trade with them, and has to adhere to the EU's laws. And they are part of Schengen apparently. They apparently wish they were within the EU. I'll check Google to see if I can find in their newspapers if that's true, and why.
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Well, well today early this morning at 5 the BBC actually showed a 2 minute docu about Switzerland which is not in the EU and pays billions per year just to trade with them, and has to adhere to the EU's laws. And they are part of Schengen apparently. They apparently wish they were within the EU. I'll check Google to see if I can find in their newspapers if that's true, and why.
Hello Cassandra,
According to their newspapers, the Swiss are very reluctant to become direct EU-members ... Why are the Swiss reluctant? Because it took great determination to become so very independent (remember the Swiss folk hero: William Tell, in the four languages of Switzerland: German: Wilhelm Tell; French: Guillaume Tell; Italian: Guglielmo Tell; Romansh: Guglielm Tell...?) ... and furthermore, the Swiss people are also under the impression that they would have to "give away" too much to the European Union in exchange for very little to their country... In short, the Swiss people fear that an EU-membership could make them the "milk-cow" of Europe with very little chance to participate within the EU, but all that would come at a very high price for their continued independence ... Therefore they insist to remain independent ... (... did I already mention the Swiss folk hero: William Tell in the four languages of Switzerland: German: Wilhelm Tell; French: Guillaume Tell; Italian: Guglielmo Tell; Romansh: Guglielm Tell...?) ...
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I don't know that much about Swiss history, particularly about the WWI and WWII eras, but I am not aware that Switzerland was devastated in those conflicts to the degree of, say, Britain, France and Germany. It is my understanding that the reason the EU (or, previously, the Common Market) was formed in the first place was to make European countries involved in those wars so economically woven together that war would be more easily avoided. Since Switzerland was "neutral", maybe they do not have that incentive to join.
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I don't know that much about Swiss history, particularly about the WWI and WWII eras, but I am not aware that Switzerland was devastated in those conflicts to the degree of, say, Britain, France and Germany. It is my understanding that the reason the EU (or, previously, the Common Market) was formed in the first place was to make European countries involved in those wars so economically woven together that war would be more easily avoided. Since Switzerland was "neutral", maybe they do not have that incentive to join.
Spot on, MooseMom !
... And very important for Switzerland is also to retain their neutral independence ...
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... And very important for Switzerland is also to retain their neutral independence ...
That ended with the US successfully pressured the Swiss to ease their banking secrecy so US citizens could be kept under close supervision by the US govt.
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... And very important for Switzerland is also to retain their neutral independence ...
That ended with the US successfully pressured the Swiss to ease their banking secrecy so US citizens could be kept under close supervision by the US govt.
... and since there are (supposedly) no more completely anonymous secret bank accounts in Switzerland,
that could explain why so many secret bank accounts have moved (together with their owners) a little further south to Monte Carlo, Luxembourg etc. ...
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I know it is early, but do any of you have any predictions on whether or not Britain will stay in the EU or not? What is the feeling of the other countries within the UK, like Scotland? Would Brexit lead to another Scottish referendum?
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Okay, early BUT I think Britain might leave the EU. Only yesterday I was pleasantly surprised to see George Galloway (left wing) ánd Nigel Farage (against immigrants and leader of a dodgy party)on the same platform to get out. I nearly forgot how undemocratic the EU is, but George reminded me. There is still 3 Months to go and I do think that the democracy thing will win.
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Years ago I remember a EU assault on a British institution Bangers and Mash. If memory serves me the EU wanted the sausages used to be changed into something the EU approved.
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Hello again ... and I agree with you all ... (.... and the EU "Banger" and "Mash" incident was a terrible insult to a beloved British food which over the years has almost become an "institution"...) ... But nevertheless, I would be very surprised if Britain leaves the EU ... Why? ... Because many businesses and people would feel uncomfortable to leave.... and by leaving, businesses and people might feel a bit like "being left out in the cold"... But there again, political predictions can't be accurate or precise because there is always the "unknown factor" coming along and then we all think the same : "Why did we not take that into consideration and why did we not think of this..." ...
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Years ago I remember a EU assault on a British institution Bangers and Mash. If memory serves me the EU wanted the sausages used to be changed into something the EU approved.
Neither bangers nor mash are kidney friendly!
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Years ago I remember a EU assault on a British institution Bangers and Mash. If memory serves me the EU wanted the sausages used to be changed into something the EU approved.
Neither bangers nor mash are kidney friendly!
Well spottet, MooseMom !... Mind you, as a vegetarian I never touch "Bangers" anyway, but sometimes, as an occasional treat, I enjoy a little portion of "Mash" prepared with a little Almond Milk ...
P.S. If you have the time, please look up the wonderful landscapes, medieval castles, alpine chalets etc. of Liechtenstein ... quite a treat ! The Principality of Liechtenstein is the sixth-smallest country in the world and lies directly in the heart of the Alps between Switzerland and Austria ...
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Oh wow, Kristina, Liechtenstein looks like something out of a fairy tale! Have you ever been there?
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Hello MooseMom I am glad you like it ! I have very fond memories and spent some childhood holidays there...
... There are wonderful holiday-homes for unwell children to recover where they are privately educated during their recovery ... and you are right, Liechtenstein is like a fairy-tale ... on the other side, it is also well known as an EU-tax-haven ...
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... I am really beginning to wonder what the BREXIT-vote (which takes place today) is all about and what it will reveal in the future...?
Why am I wondering ? Because it appears bothersome that "our" political parties appear to be "split in the middle"
with half of the party-members appearing passionately for BREXIT,
whilst the other half appear to be determined to continue as a member of the the European Union...
... My guess is that if it were really THAT important, our political parties would act differently, would they not ???
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I think it's way more complicated than :pick a party. It's a free vote. It's not conservative, liberal, communist, racist, economic. Hubby voted postal a week or so ago, and changed his mind at least 10 times since then.
Have you voted yet Kristina? I really is that important!
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My guess is that if it were really THAT important, our political parties would act differently, would they not ???
Not if what is happening in the US is any example. Our parties can't seem to see eye to eye on many very important issues. Seems to depend on whose offering them more money.
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I think it's way more complicated than :pick a party. It's a free vote. It's not conservative, liberal, communist, racist, economic. Hubby voted postal a week or so ago, and changed his mind at least 10 times since then.
Have you voted yet Kristina? I really is that important!
Hello Cassandra,... I am still debating and still thinking... and fortunately I still have lots of time today....
... I can understand the problem of your husband very well ... it is so very difficult to really know what is for the best...
.... especially since we are not political "insiders" and since we can only guess with the help of our instinct ... :waving;
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If leaving the EU is going to be so bad for Britain, then why is our prime minister even giving us the option to vote leave ?! If he really thought it would cause such a downfall to our country then why give a referendum? I have voted btw. Think it will be close between leave and remain.
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If leaving the EU is going to be so bad for Britain, then why is our prime minister even giving us the option to vote leave ?! If he really thought it would cause such a downfall to our country then why give a referendum? I have voted btw. Think it will be close between leave and remain.
D.Cameron only gave the referendum to satisfy his party, which is split too. Nothing to do with the interest of the UK or the EU.
:angel;
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I'm watching the live blog on the Guardian's website, but no results just yet have been returned. I've read so much about both sides of the issue that I think I dreamt about Brexit last night. ::)
If the vote is close, do you think that the losing side will accept the result?
And Cas, I think you're right. Offering a referendum was indeed a political play by Cameron. The Tories have had a Eurosceptic faction for as long as I can remember.
What I am eager to see is how the vote in England varies from the vote in Scotland, Wales, and NI. I suspect that the majority of the Leave vote will come from England, and if that is the case, there is some irony there.
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So, if Leave wins, who will become PM?
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And we are out 💃🏽 and I really hope it will not be Boris Johnson
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Yes we are out and already the remains are posting vitriol all over facebook. I wasn't strongly for or against what's done is done. Did u see one twitter post? First Bristain leaves the EU, next Donald TRumup is president :rofl; good luck America!!
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Obviously Britan is exiting the EU. But Trump winning? During the primaries the news organizations focused on his outrageous statements very little time was spent looking at his past. Now they are dissecting his actions in business over the last 40 years. So every day a new horror story of greed and unethical practices is appearing in the news. Last Harris poll had the Donald with a 70% disapproval rating. Finally he has election math to overcome he will need Florida to win the election and I doubt he can over come the loathing for him in the Latino, Black, and female voters.
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Sorry UK folks. Too me this is scary. I believe that economic unity adds to stability. On the plus side is table side plates of olive oil might come back (if it ever left in the UK) (somewhere I read the EU banned it as unsanitary or something).
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Other EU countries are now wanting a referendum. I already knew France wanted out but apparently so do Spain and Greece. Our opinion poll showed remain would win.
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Just some random things I've seen/heard in the past several hours:
1. Fox News reported that Britain had voted to leave the UN. ::)
2. Donald Trump is in Scotland promoting his golf complex reboot, and he congratulated Scotland on the Brexit vote and for taking their country back. I guess he didn't know that Scotland had voted Remain. ::) ::)
3. It is "very likely" that Scotland will hold another referendum to leave Great Britain, thus making it a little less Great, I suppose.
4. Sinn Fein is making noise. :o
5. Pundits are making the mistake of equating the EU with NAFTA. NOT the same thing, not even close.
6. We watched the entire election returns on the BBC, and the shock was palpable once it sunk in that Leave was going to win.
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Google just announced that in Britan the biggest search today is ob what is the EU. It looks like a lot of voters have know idea what they just did.
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Google just announced that in Britan the biggest search today is ob what is the EU. It looks like a lot of voters have know idea what they just did.
Strangely enough I agree and don't think any change has anything to do with the vote...
... it appears as if it was all "fixed up" beforehand and furthermore,
it does not even appear as if the vote makes any difference at all...
(I wish to know how come that people vote and at the same time their vote makes no difference at all...)
... I don't believe that "big business" is surprised and unprepared in any way
about the fact that Britain is voting to get out of the European Union... ?
"The whole thing" almost appears like a big "charade" and/or a "magic trick"...
... Sorry about my saying this, but I can't help thinking it ...
and I would like to find out and know what it all really means...?
Kristina. :grouphug;
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Several things will change British goods will end up more expensive since the EU taxes outsiders at a higher rate, and imports will cost more some money will be saved but more will also need to be spent. Right now Britan is a English speaking member of EU that will no longer be true, work based on that premise will have to move probably to Ireland. Plus the general level of confusion will cause companies to stop spending and hold on to their money. Any wat you look at it the British economy is in for a rough couple of years.
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And the markets are reeling on both sides of the pond. Feels like the world is unraveling. And I think a big push will be made to conflate it all with Donald Trump's voting demographic.
(I wish to know how come that people vote and at the same time their vote makes no difference at all...)
There are a lot of people asking that same question and feeling very disenfranchised by the actions of the Oligarchs who are not paying any attention to the will of the people. I think Brexit is coming from that impulse-- to revolt against this state of affairs. Although the "elite" have been caught off guard, they will land on their feet--as always. The regular folks will probably be harmed.
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I think Brexit is coming from that impulse-- to revolt against this state of affairs. Although the "elite" have been caught off guard, they will land on their feet--as always. The regular folks will probably be harmed.
I believe one of the requirement of EU membership is open borders to anyone legally present in any EU country. I suspect the UK people got tired of "assimilating" people who moved to England, and then tried to establish their culture in England/London rather than join the English culture.
I am amused by the brokerage houses telling people to "no panic", "don't sell everything" and "stay the course" ..... no doubt while they use proprietary high speed trading algorithms to make money off all those they are advising to "stay the course".
I wonder what the outlook is for the English people who are working in other Eurpoean countries based on the right to legally work that is reciprocally extended to all EU member state citizens.
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And the markets are reeling on both sides of the pond. Feels like the world is unraveling. And I think a big push will be made to conflate it all with Donald Trump's voting demographic.
That comparison with Trump is present in our media, 'if Brexit can win, so can Trump, the people want change' etc etc.
I think Brexit is coming from that impulse-- to revolt against this state of affairs. Although the "elite" have been caught off guard, they will land on their feet--as always. The regular folks will probably be harmed.
I believe one of the requirement of EU membership is open borders to anyone legally present in any EU country. I suspect the UK people got tired of "assimilating" people who moved to England, and then tried to establish their culture in England/London rather than join the English culture.
I believe you are correct to some extent with these thoughts.
Just some random things I've seen/heard in the past several hours:
1. Fox News reported that Britain had voted to leave the UN. ::) :rofl;
TBh I'm bored of it all in the press now! Apparently the EU want us gone asap lol!!
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What incentive is there now for keeping the United Kingdom united?
Will Boris Johnson become the next PM? Why is it going to take until October for the Tories to select a new party leader?
Let's see if Britain EVER triggers Article 50. My bet is that the UK will take so long that, in effect, it will never really happen. No EU member state can compel the UK to invoke Art. 50, so I suspect that the UK will drag its heels.
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Look at what happened in Ireland 2008 / 2009 with the Treaty of Lisbon.
The first vote had the incorrect result, so the powerbrokers "reeducated" the population and took a second vote in 2009 to get the correct result. It is doubtful the Irish would have been given a second chance if the first vote had the correct outcome.
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We assume Boris Johnson will likely be the new pm. It was a shock that Cameron resigned to be honest. Didn't expect him to do that, think it's pretty poor just as people voted out.
The Eu are pushing us to trigger article 50 asap, and Cameron declared during his resignation it is what the people want. I think it will happen sooner rather than later or our government will look ridiculous.
Regarding Scotland, I don't believe they'd fare well separated from us and Wales. Sturgeon already said to Eu Scotland want to stay to be told it doesn't work that way.
Can I move to the US and join u all?! My kids are desperate to live thete 😂
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Article 50 says:
“Any member state may decide to withdraw from the union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.”
... Could anyone please explain to me what it means ?
Thank you from Kristina. :grouphug;
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One thing else between 1.2 million and 2.4 million Britons live in other EU countries, they own businesses or retirement homes. There is fear about Heath care and pensions, and being allowed to own property. These are all currently provided by Britan being part of th EU. And article 50 means any member state can pass a law and withdraw from the EU.
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I think the EU is doomed.
The EU powerbrokers are already talking about the need to make "investments" in states "harded hit" by the economic crisis, and we all know what the codeword "investment" means when used by a taxing authority. How long are the "donor states" being told to make payments to "recipient states" going to tolerate it? It's like a system of taxation in which the individual taxpayers (in this case, nations) are free to withdraw and stop paying the tax if they feel they are not getting as much from the system as they pay into it.
Alternatively, voters in competent nations could decide that is is their job to pay for the Greeks decision to pre-spend a vast amount of their future earnings through debt.
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Michael over one million Brits live in America and they are obviously not part of Eu.
Simon dog I believe you are correct and other countries will follow our lead, mainly the ones propping up the others financially as you said. It doesn't work when some countries put everything in and others just take.
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Michael over one million Brits live in America and they are obviously not part of Eu.
Simon dog I believe you are correct and other countries will follow our lead, mainly the ones propping up the others financially as you said. It doesn't work when some countries put everything in and others just take.
Oh my, that does sound familiar. Here in the US, it is more so the blue state tax dollars that support the red states...
KarenInWA
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It doesn't work when some countries put everything in and others just take.
The chances of any of the PIIGS doing anything other than net taking in the forseeable future is slim. In fact, the EU will be called to "invest" in these countries.
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2. Donald Trump is in Scotland promoting his golf complex reboot, and he congratulated Scotland on the Brexit vote and for taking their country back. I guess he didn't know that Scotland had voted Remain. ::) ::)
The twitter response on that Trump tweet were very fun, your folks are quite wordy!
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The twitter response on that Trump tweet were very fun, your folks are quite wordy!
They're hilarious. The Scots are very colorful in their use of language. Not for the faint of heart. http://fusion.net/story/318640/delete-your-golf-course/
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Brexit according to Pooh:
https://www.quora.com/How-do-%E2%80%9CRemain%E2%80%9D-voters-feel-about-the-Brexit-result/answer/Mark-Clarke-10
WARNING: ADULT LANGUAGE AND THE F-WORD
"How did you vote?", asked Pooh
"Leave", said Piglet
"Oh, for p*ck's sake", said Pooh, "Why the p*ck did you do that?"
"Because if we leave, then we'll fix the NHS"
"We're not going to fix the NHS, Piglet, that was all bollocks. All the people who told you to vote Leave are the very same people who want to privatise the p*cking thing"
"Oh. But anyway there's also those bloody Heffalumps"
"Heffalumps?"
"Yes, the bloody Heffalumps who keep coming to live in the wood, there are too many"
"But they do things for us, Piglet, and voting Leave won't actually stop them coming anyway"
"Oh. But I just want to get back control of the wood"
"You p*cktard. You never had control of the wood, you're a p*cking piglet. You're just going to get even more p*cked over by different people"
"Oh. But why did you want to Remain?", asked Piglet
"I liked that everyone worked together, I felt safe"
"Is that all? You're probably still safe"
"I also fancied going to live in a different wood one day, and maybe if I had kids they would too, but now maybe we can't."
"Oh. But we'll have more honey to go around now...?"
"I'm afraid not, Piglet. We won't have to give away any honey, but there'll almost certainly be less to begin with"
"Oh. Well at least we've got rid of the pig-p*cker, I didn't like him"
"I can understand that, Piglet, but have you seen the next guy!? I have a feeling he'll be doing more than just oral"
"Oh my. But they were going to build a huge scary super-wood"
"They never actually said that, and even if there were going to be a huge super-wood, would you rather be part of it, playing with all your new friends, or just outside it with nobody paying you any attention?"
"Oh, I see what you mean. But ours used to be the most important wood of all the woods"
"That's true, Piglet, but that was well over a hundred p*cking years ago now, and none of us were alive. You really need to get your head out of your arse"
"But our grandparents won the big war to protect our wood, we need to make sure we keep it safe"
"Actually, that's a load of horse-shit. We won the big war to protect other people in other woods and to stop nationalist p*ckers killing people because they were different. It showed that we're safer if we all work together and stop thinking of each other as different"
"But the Heffalumps, I don't like them, they're not like us"
"p*ck my luck. Piglet, you're a p*cking Piglet and I'm a stuffed Bear. We're all different, that's what makes the wood a fun place to live. You like Kanga don't you? She's different"
"But Kanga's been here for ages and I like her food"
"Christ on a bike, Piglet, you are a p*cking cockwomble"
"Beer?" asked Piglet
"You're buying" said Pooh, "and I want pork scratchings"
"Oh my"
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I'm curious to know what you all are thinking about Brexit these days, especially with a new PM and the recent ruling of the Supreme Court.
Do you think the court got it right by ruling that only Parliament has the right to initiate Brexit?
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I'm curious to know what you all are thinking about Brexit these days, especially with a new PM and the recent ruling of the Supreme Court.
Do you think the court got it right by ruling that only Parliament has the right to initiate Brexit?
The court did of course not get it right!!! After all, Brexit was decided by a democratic vote initiated by the very same Parliament to give the people a democratic chance to decide and the people have decided to go for Brexit and it is very surprising that all of a sudden Parliament should have the right to initiate Brexit when Brexit was already decided by the people through a democratic vote ... Does all that make you dizzy now ? if yes, be assured, you are not alone !!! :secret;
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Agree with Kristina. People shouldnt have been given a vote if it wasn't going to be followed through. If Brexit does not go ahead people will be angry and then vote completely differently at nect party elections. They only gave the people the vote in the first place because they didnt really think the majority would vote leave. What annoys me is had the result been the other way nobody would have complained. Always the same with elections too. Only one side of voters complain when it doesn't go their way! Other side accept defeat.
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... It appears to be very sad that first of all the government appears to have given people the "choice" to vote about Brexit,
(after appearing pretty certain that the people would vote against Brexit) ...
... but when the people's vote came back as being positively for Brexit,
the government suddenly appeared to disagree with the people's choice of vote...
... What next ? ...
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I agree with you Kristina about how atrocious the process has become. The people of Britain voted to Leave & all this deceptive dithering, toeing & froing now is unacceptable. I see this as a bigger worrying anti-democratic Leftwing movement that is sweeping the world at large. Unelected elites are the one who are trying to dictate what is right and what the 'correct outcome' should be in any public debate that is voted on by the people.
I do believe however that Brexit will be followed through with. It's just going to take a little longer than what most people imagined it would take.
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The referendum was only advisory. To have a binding referendum Britain needs a change in the law.
And the majority was only small wasn't it?
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This is an interesting read - http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/11179774?
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Just to clarify, and please tell me if I have misunderstood, it is "the government" that wants to proceed with Brexit and to enforce the will of the people. It is the COURTS who have determined that it is PARLIAMENT who must be the entity to trigger Article 50.
THAT's the current question...whether it is the government or it is parliament that has the authority to trigger article 50. Hearings are being heard right now as a result of the goverment's appeal of the Supreme Court's decision.
Whichever entity is determined to have that authority, you cannot say that these are "unelected elites". Everyone's member of Parliament has been duly and democratically elected by their constituents unless the UK has a problem with massive voter fraud.
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Another Brexit question for you all who live in the UK (or for anyone else who has an opinion).
If I understand correctly, once Article 50 is triggered and Brexit is underway, you will no longer have the right to travel freely and live on the Continent. So, I guess you'll have to get visas and show passports if you want to holiday in Spain.
A few MEPs are putting forth the idea of granting UK nationals "associate EU membership" which would let you retain the right to travel freely to the Continent.
So, my question is, does this matter to you? Do you like the idea of being an associate EU peep? Personally, I don't think the rest of the MEPs are going to let you all do this, but you never know.
I never had UK citizenship and so always travelled on my US passport. This was a real pain whenever we went on holiday. Once we went to Greece, and I was the only one on board the chartered flight that was not a UK/EU citizen, so when I deplaned, I was escorted into this hot tin shack where their immigration bods looked up my name in a great big book. Not a computer in sight. Since my name wasn't in the book, I was allowed in. And whenever we returned to the UK via the Channel Tunnel, we always had to go through the "NON UK/EU line" which wasn't so bad since it was usually the shortest.
Anyway, thoughts?
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#1: The EU is going to need to punish Britian for leaving. Referendums have consequences.
#2: It would be arrogant of the Brits to expect an arrangement where there people could travel freely but other EU members could not travel freely to Britain - and the entire point of the vote was to clamp down on free travel and immigration to England by (unspoken agenda) Muslims from other EU countries. If they keep travel open, they will have none of the advantages of EU membership that they are giving up, and not get the border tightening the people voted for.
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O MMum I hadn't even thought about the different ques we would have to stand in. Me in the long EU line, Hubby in the short British only line.
It's a long time before Article 50 will be triggered.
An even longer two years of negotiations.
Lots of changes in governments of 27 countries in the EU
Of course no election in the UK (planned) even though the government has changed
In the meantime I'm happy with the exchange rate increasing my Dutch pension significantly.
The uncertainty about the situation raises my BP, which is good cos it's way too low.
I've booked our next holiday in Portugal expecting to be welcomed as they will need tourist money.
I don't think the EU is going to punish Britain as there's too much to loose on both sides. There's too much 'bagage' I suppose.
There are 3.3 million EU citizens living in Britain.
There are 2.1 million Britains living in the EU. £1.4 billion is transferred in British state pensions to other EU countries.(national statistics)
In the time before the EU, I could travel anywhere in Europe with a Dutch passport.
In that same time Hubby could travel anywhere (maybe not Zimbabwe) with a British passport.
I would think the traveling situation would reverse to that.
What I think about that?
430.000 votes (difference between pro vs con) caused all this uncertainty, I suppose They knew what they were doing :sarcasm;
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Today I heard in the radio-news that Parliament is discussing how to inform people
how life could/would change (for the worst?) if and when Brexit would go ahead...
... and that people would then possibly think twice and perhaps demand another referendum ...
... Hearing this has made me feel rather startled because the outcome of the Brexit-referendum
seems to be developing into a saga and it seems to be in very bad taste....
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IDK I think that it might have been a good idea for both Cameron and Farage/Johnson to think about providing info befóre the referendum.
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IDK I think that it might have been a good idea for both Cameron and Farage/Johnson to think about providing info befóre the referendum.
So, do you not think that the electorate was adequately informed about what Brexit would mean? Do you think that anyone really fully understood what Brexit would mean? Do you think that UK voters ever realized that the terms and conditions of Brexit would not be completely in the hands of the UK government?
Another question:
What do you all think will become of Northern Ireland and Scotland? Do you think Scotland could/should hold another referendum regarding remaining within the UK?
And do you all think that the border between NI and the Republic will become a "hard" border?
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Hi Moosemum I don't think the public was adequately informed at all. I don't think anybody was. We (the public) didn't even know what we were not informed about.
I think that a lot of the voters voted against austerity (which in the media is mainly blamed on the EU), against authority (which is of course also caused by the EU in the media) And against immigrants coming in by the millions (according to the media caused by being a member of the EU)
I really don't know what to think of the borders. When Scotland had it's referendum it wasn't even sure if they could stay within the EU anyway.
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In the time before the EU, I could travel anywhere in Europe with a Dutch passport.
It's about a lot more than the freedom to travel. I had no trouble entering Germany when I had a long stopover on a flight to Bangalore - my US passport was enough.
A bigger deal is that, as I understand it, EU membership conveys the right to set up long term resident in any other EU country as well as accept employment in any EU country - tho things that "open travel" arrangements like the one the US has with many first world countries do not convey.
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In the time before the EU, I could travel anywhere in Europe with a Dutch passport.
It's about a lot more than the freedom to travel.
Of course it is, and that's why the Brexit negotiations are going to be interesting.
Apart from leaving the EU, Is the UK also out of the European Economic Area? If not, than nothing would change concerning that.
"There is a presumption in international law that when treaty rights have been executed, those rights are unaffected by withdrawal from the treaty (House of Commons, 2013). This suggests that individuals and businesses that have taken advantage of the Single Market1 to move either from the UK to the rest of the EU or in the opposite direction would probably be allowed to stay. But this outcome is not certain and would certainly be a subject addressed by any withdrawal agreement." According to the report Britain after Brexit from The London School of Economics and Political Science.
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Should Scotland have a second referendum now that it is a post-Brexit world?
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I agree with Nicola Sturgeon (Smp) to hold a referendum after the 'negotiations' and ratifications and the elections in Germany and France have been. Otherwise it would be like a Brexit referendum about something no one has actually any info or facts
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I agree with Nicola Sturgeon (Smp) to hold a referendum after the 'negotiations' and ratifications and the elections in Germany and France have been. Otherwise it would be like a Brexit referendum about something no one has actually any info or facts
I've been hearing the idea being floated about for there to be a vote for/against Brexit after the actual negotiations have been concluded which would be, I am assuming, in several years' time. This way, the British electorate could vote on actual policies rather than on an idea or concept. What do you think about this? (I watch several British political talk shows online, like "Question Time".)
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I would really sincerely hope so. What do you think?
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I would really sincerely hope so. What do you think?
If I were a British citizen, I would want the opportunity to review the results of the final Brexit negotiations and then vote on them. It's not like a general election where in a finite period of time you can vote on a new slate of contenders. Brexit is sorta forever.