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Title: Second time electricity stops while dialysing
Post by: cassandra on January 11, 2016, 06:14:51 PM
Real strange, this is the second time that I'm nicely cycling away, and the power disappears. Pitch dark (nocturnal) this time I made sure I knew where my glasses were so I could see something when the power comes back on, but how would I know the power comes back on? Anyway it did after less than a minute I think. But lesson learned, get a flashlight or something battery powered with you when D-ing in the dark. I think I'll just continue with the session (why not take a risk? My HB is fine anyway. And my heartrate feels back to normal now.
There was now warning, caution or alarm, just the normal power failure on the Pureflow and the cycler went in 4/7 0/0 and I could press the kidney again. Anyone had this? I'll call Nxstage tomorrow cos forgot phone too.

Love and luck, Cas
Title: Re: Second time electricity stops while dialysing
Post by: PrimeTimer on January 11, 2016, 06:31:23 PM
One time we lost power during treatment caused by a storm but the power only blinked off and then right back on. Was surprised we didn't get any alarms on the cycler, it just continued running when the power came back on. But, if it had gone off for more than just a "blink" I would have performed a manual rinseback.
 
I keep 3 flashlights at our "treatment" area at home; 1 small one to help hubby see his buttonholes better during self-cannulation, 1 medium one for him to hold for if the power goes off and one large one that can sit and light up the room like a lantern.

I might add that altho hubby doesn't do "nocturnal", we do his treatments after work in the evenings and whenever the power has gone off it is dark as night inside our little apartment. I am the paranoid type, I always check the weather report and radar on the internet before treatment and if we get storms and the lights start flickering, we end treatment early. There's been a few times when I have taken him off just in the nick of time before the power went out. Only one time did it go out unexpectedly during treatment. If we ever lose power while we are sleeping, sometimes it is the "silence" that wakes me up but other than that, I have no way of knowing how long the power was off.   
Title: Re: Second time electricity stops while dialysing
Post by: Simon Dog on January 12, 2016, 05:49:25 AM
http://www.amazon.com/Powerout-Power-Failure-Alarm-Safety/dp/B00IA9BF70
Title: Re: Second time electricity stops while dialysing
Post by: cassandra on January 12, 2016, 11:22:23 AM
Thank you both for the tips. For the moment I will keep a closer look on weather forecasts (I used to, but it slipped) and will buy a couple of flashlights.

Thanx my darlings, love and luck, Cas
Title: Re: Second time electricity stops while dialysing
Post by: Charlie B53 on January 12, 2016, 05:35:44 PM

This isn't near as much problem for me being on PD.  The PD Cycler will 'hold' memory up to 4 hours.  Or so I am told.   We've had a few outages, mostly litle flickers, but once in a while it can be minutes.  Even had a few up to an hour, but those were before I started using the Cycler.  Didn't bother me a bit doing manual PD.

I never thought of it, but.......

I have an un-interuptable power supply for my computers.  Any time the power winks it beeps an alarm, if the power actually drops it instantly fills in so none of the computers flicker or shut down unless I select the 'shut down' option on power failure.

This is an old piece.  I've had it maybe 14 years.  The expensive gel cell batteries are stupidly expensive, and obsolete, so I use two group 31 truck/tractor/marine batteries wired in series to get 24V.   I can run all three computers, monitors, printers and scanners for maybe a week (?)  I don't really know.  The batteries I use are at least 5 times to capacity of the originals.

Point being....  I could run a cord to my Cycler and CPAP and never know the power fased.

I bought the unit used from a computer repair shop that took it in on a trade for work and never had a use for it.    I did!

Title: Re: Second time electricity stops while dialysing
Post by: PrimeTimer on January 12, 2016, 08:27:39 PM
http://www.amazon.com/Powerout-Power-Failure-Alarm-Safety/dp/B00IA9BF70
Thanks for sharing that. We don't do nocturnal but if we ever do, we're not doing it without one of these!

BTW, hope that cute little creature is from another planet and not some dust mite you've collected or a parasite. 
Title: Re: Second time electricity stops while dialysing
Post by: Charlie B53 on January 13, 2016, 06:39:32 AM

I thought every one had seen a 'Flying Spaghetti Monster'.

I don't know how Simon managed to catch one.  He must have been ready with a large fish net.  They are way to fast for me to even get close!


He may have baited it with garlic toast!
Title: Re: Second time electricity stops while dialysing
Post by: Vt Big Rig on January 13, 2016, 06:54:09 AM

I thought every one had seen a 'Flying Spaghetti Monster'.

I don't know how Simon managed to catch one.  He must have been ready with a large fish net.  They are way to fast for me to even get close!


That what he tells everyone is in his arm when they ask him why his fistula arm is so bumpy!! :rofl; :rofl;
Title: Re: Second time electricity stops while dialysing
Post by: Simon Dog on January 13, 2016, 11:06:40 AM
I thought every one had seen a 'Flying Spaghetti Monster'.
The Flying Spaghetti Monster touches us all with his noodley appendage.

http://www.venganza.org/
Title: Re: Second time electricity stops while dialysing
Post by: Charlie B53 on January 13, 2016, 01:08:45 PM

Thank you Simon for the link.  I've Bookmarked it and will share with Family.

Take Care,

Eat Well,

Charlie B53
Title: Re: Second time electricity stops while dialysing
Post by: PrimeTimer on January 13, 2016, 02:14:25 PM
I thought every one had seen a 'Flying Spaghetti Monster'.
The Flying Spaghetti Monster touches us all with his noodley appendage.

http://www.venganza.org/
Definitely would not want one around during a power outage. Things that go bump in the night could be met with a bang..
Title: Re: Second time electricity stops while dialysing
Post by: del on January 13, 2016, 04:54:32 PM
In the 9 years that hubby has been doing nocturnal Home hemo on a baby K we have lost the power once where he has had to come off the machine.  On the baby K if the power just flicks off and comes right back you can continue.  You can also manually turn the pump for a few minutes.  You can also wash back manually so you don't lost your blood.   We always keep flashlights close by.  The baby K has a battery back up so you get an alarm when the power goes off.
Title: Re: Second time electricity stops while dialysing
Post by: cassandra on January 14, 2016, 01:12:52 AM
Thanx del it looks like it's all the same with Nxstage bar the alarm when the power switches off. So I'll ask about the battery backup cos that's just plain weird, and actually dangerous?

Love, Cas
Title: Re: Second time electricity stops while dialysing
Post by: Vt Big Rig on January 14, 2016, 04:49:13 AM
I have long considered a small generator both for back up at home for doing D and for having the ability to be able to do D in our RV (travel trailer) if not connect to "shore power".

The thinking that keeps stopping me is, especially in the RV,we would need air conditioning also or we would cook in that small fiberglass box.

SO a genny big enough starts getting too heavy for a fistula arm to move around or to carry in the truck. Not to mention costs starts going up exponentially 

So I keep putting it off. This will certainly come back to haunt me some day. :waiting;
Title: Re: Second time electricity stops while dialysing
Post by: Charlie B53 on January 14, 2016, 06:17:36 AM

Vt Big Rig,

'House' Batteries and an inverter may be a possibility.  One would need to look at the total amp load you need and size the inverter accordingly.  Same with the number of 'House/RV/Boat' Batteries necessary to run it for the time/hours of operation.

Then you wouldn't need near as large generator to recharge to batteries.  May even be able to mount enough solar panels on the roof to recharge during the day.  Plus using a diode can charge from the tow vehicle without draining the tow vehicle battery.

We have the technology.  The costs can add up if you are not careful shopping, or have a shop do the planning and installation.
Title: Re: Second time electricity stops while dialysing
Post by: Vt Big Rig on January 14, 2016, 07:09:14 AM

 The costs can add up if you are not careful shopping, or have a shop do the planning and installation.

The very reason I have not pursued any further. Investing that money into a vehicle, that by its very nature is temporary, does not quite compute for me yet.
Title: Re: Second time electricity stops while dialysing
Post by: iolaire on January 14, 2016, 07:25:49 AM
SO a genny big enough starts getting too heavy for a fistula arm to move around or to carry in the truck. Not to mention costs starts going up exponentially 
Couldn't you install it semi-permanently on the RV (travel trailer) or truck and just run a power cord where you need it? 

In Washington state over Thanksgiving we were at my brother's in rural development and the power was out in one section of the development.  Walking around we saw a few portable generators running plugged back into the house.  To me the semi-portable generators make a lot of sense over the expensive hard to maintain house power systems that run on propane and the like.  The only advantage of the house systems is the automated start (if its working) on the power outage...
Title: Re: Second time electricity stops while dialysing
Post by: cassandra on January 14, 2016, 12:50:27 PM
When I was on the PD cycler I remember having that discussion with people from our electricity supply, and at the time didn't come further than a portable generator. The costs (or weight) of those haven't really changed much, so I stay with the solution of driving to hosp and plugging it in a socket in some deserted waiting room. And that will only be after I start feeling poisoned or desperate in some other way.
Mmm doesn't sound good at all, maybe time to start looking into a windmill.

Love and luck, Cas

Title: Re: Second time electricity stops while dialysing
Post by: Simon Dog on January 14, 2016, 01:02:04 PM
If you want a portable generator suitable to powering a NxStage cycler while on safari, a little unit like the Honda EU2000i or the Generac equivalent is pretty good, and can be carried by one hand.

If you want to plug a generator into your house, you will need a 220v unit with a center tap (many, many choices) rather than a 120v generator like the EU2000i.   This will enable you to power both legs of your house current, as well as 220v devices.    The two connection methods are transfer switch and interlock, and both make for an easy switchover when you plug in the generator and turn it on.  Avoid hack solutions like backfeeding through a male/male cable into an electric dryer outlet.   There are several reasons this is a bad idea, and it's why such cords are called "suicide cables".
Title: Re: Second time electricity stops while dialysing
Post by: cassandra on January 14, 2016, 01:11:07 PM
Thanx Simon Dog, I'll pass all this on to hubby cos this is going a bit over my head, suicide cables don't sound like the experimental type to me.

Love and luck, Cas
Title: Re: Second time electricity stops while dialysing
Post by: Deanne on January 14, 2016, 01:15:26 PM
I have flashlights that plug into power outlets. They have a bit of a night-light effect when they're plugged in and if the power goes out, they automatically turn on. I love these flashlights! They're LED so the lights are bright and I don't have to worry about knowing if the batteries are charged.
Title: Re: Second time electricity stops while dialysing
Post by: cassandra on January 14, 2016, 01:23:33 PM
Wow they sound too good to be true, where do I buy those? I'll try googling them right now! Thanx Deanne

Love and luck, Cas
Title: Re: Second time electricity stops while dialysing
Post by: cassandra on January 14, 2016, 01:34:27 PM
Found them and ordered them, thanx again

Love, Cas
Title: Re: Second time electricity stops while dialysing
Post by: Deanne on January 14, 2016, 01:35:28 PM
You're fast! I was just responding and saw that you found one. For anyone else looking, several are available on Amazon. Do a search for "rechargeable emergency flashlight"
Title: Re: Second time electricity stops while dialysing
Post by: Vt Big Rig on January 14, 2016, 03:20:59 PM
A Honda is close to $1000. Generc around $750.  Pricey.

And with the restrictions on rear  bumpers installing permanently on trailer is a task i have not figured out.
Title: Re: Second time electricity stops while dialysing
Post by: cassandra on January 14, 2016, 03:31:31 PM
You're fast! I was just responding and saw that you found one. For anyone else looking, several are available on Amazon. Do a search for "rechargeable emergency flashlight"

Yeah one of my 'weak' spots is a Amazon adiction. I found them there too. But it ís a brilliant solution. Not to the power cut, but when you have one. Not finding my glasses was the big one, and with the emergency light I can see, get my blood back, disconnect and try again another day.

      :angel;
Title: Re: Second time electricity stops while dialysing
Post by: Simon Dog on January 14, 2016, 06:39:47 PM
A Honda is close to $1000. Generc around $750.  Pricey.

And with the restrictions on rear  bumpers installing permanently on trailer is a task i have not figured out.
The $1000 Honda is the small 120v unit.   I paid $3999 for the EU6500is (replaced by the newer EU7000is) portable 220v inverter generator, so "pricey" is relative.  My wife made the mistake of telling me "just buy the best one you can find".
Title: Re: Second time electricity stops while dialysing
Post by: Vt Big Rig on January 15, 2016, 05:57:38 AM

The $1000 Honda is the small 120v unit.   I paid $3999 for the EU6500is (replaced by the newer EU7000is) portable 220v inverter generator, so "pricey" is relative.  My wife made the mistake of telling me "just buy the best one you can find".

And if I was looking for one for the house I would also invest in that ... But I have been seeking something a little more portable.

On a side note ...don't you love it when they say "get what you want". :rofl; :rofl;
Title: Re: Second time electricity stops while dialysing
Post by: Charlie B53 on January 15, 2016, 07:03:45 AM

Salesmen.  I hate them.  Working in various shops over the years I've found Salesmen promise the Customer almost impossible changes to be made on their auto/motorcycle/boat, etc.  Then simply hands it over to Service to figure out HOW, and then to do it, and not spend any of the Companies money in the process.  Near impossible, yet we do it.

Salesmen, try to sell you something you don't really want, don't need, cannot afford, because they work on COMMISSION.

Salesmen, the first thing they want to know is how much do you want to spend.  Immediately try to figure out ways to increase that amount in order to increase their commission

Salesmen...........


This could be the start of a Best-Selling Book!
Title: Re: Second time electricity stops while dialysing
Post by: justagirl2325 on January 20, 2016, 08:28:12 AM
We live in a rural area and have ok/not great hydro.  We've had a couple of scary power failures when on home-hemo.  First time we were not prepared, pitch black looking for a flashlight.  I now have a hug one that will light up the whole room.  Luckily the machine has a 15 minute battery back up so it can handle short times when the power flickers on and off - this happens a lot. 

We have had to have him go back to the hospital for dialysis when the power was out over two days.

We have a large generator (gas powered) that we could wire in I guess but we haven't for now.
Title: Re: Second time electricity stops while dialysing
Post by: PrimeTimer on January 20, 2016, 12:20:22 PM
We live in a rural area and have ok/not great hydro.  We've had a couple of scary power failures when on home-hemo.  First time we were not prepared, pitch black looking for a flashlight.  I now have a hug one that will light up the whole room.  Luckily the machine has a 15 minute battery back up so it can handle short times when the power flickers on and off - this happens a lot. 

We have had to have him go back to the hospital for dialysis when the power was out over two days.

We have a large generator (gas powered) that we could wire in I guess but we haven't for now.
Wind, hard rains, lightening strikes, snow and wreckless drivers hitting power poles don't help. Promise not to ever place that gas-powered generator indoors! I know of an elderly couple who did that during a snowstorm and they died in their sleep from the fumes. They had brought it up from their basement and set it at the top of the stairs facing into their kitchen. They died watching tv in their living room.