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Dialysis Discussion => Dialysis: Medical Breakthroughs => Topic started by: PaulBC on January 10, 2015, 08:30:02 AM

Title: Future of kidney replacement. Am I on the right track here?
Post by: PaulBC on January 10, 2015, 08:30:02 AM
When my daughter was diagnosed with ESRD, I spent a good deal of time trying to answer what her life will be like 20 years from now. The short term (dialysis) and medium term (transplant) are very clear, but I really want a much better answer. Here is a summary of what I came up with. I have a lot of links in my source document that are omitted here.

To put this in context, I would have thought that regenerating new organs was farther along than I now believe it is. However, at least some transplant recipients may benefit from establishing immune tolerance using bone marrow from the donor, and that is not just speculation. I'm less certain about work on the artificial implantable kidney (Shuvo Roy, UCSF). I'd like to know more about how it is progressing.

Is this reasonable? Am I missing anything? My summary:

There are two main approaches to permanent kidney replacement to eliminate reliance on scarce human organ availability and solve rejection issues:
Some other developments that could help, but don’t solve the whole problem:
In situ kidney regeneration:
Incremental results in treatment:
Title: Re: Future of kidney replacement. Am I on the right track here?
Post by: Michael Murphy on January 10, 2015, 11:11:04 AM
There is new work on using 3d printers to create the collagen frame work that cloned cells are attached to build new kidney.  What I understand there is currently testing on rats with rat kidneys built this way.  There is also research on using these printers to build kidneys directly with cells applied by the print heads. 
Title: Re: Future of kidney replacement. Am I on the right track here?
Post by: PaulBC on January 10, 2015, 11:38:52 AM
Yeah, I had heard about 3d printing of organs, though I can't think of anything specific that came up in my reading. As soon as I read about using decellularized kidneys as a scaffold, I thought that sounded like a more direct approach to the structural problem, but you still need to get the cells to organize, and individual nephrons are very complex. The cells know how to self-organize during development, but you need to put them in the right context.

The main sense I get reading about kidney generation for rats and so forth is that they are not quite fully functional kidneys and don't have the same level of filtration (let alone replacing other kidney function). So I wonder how long it would take to get something that really replaces a kidney and passes clinical testing.

The optimist in me says that stem cell research is accelerating rapidly, and 20 years is a long time. The pessimist wonders what has really advanced in the past 20 years. I think all the current therapies are the same as in 1994, though I don't doubt there have been improvements in outcomes. I am hoping for a much better next two decades.
Title: Re: Future of kidney replacement. Am I on the right track here?
Post by: Michael Murphy on January 10, 2015, 12:47:07 PM
There is several promising approaches being worked at the same time.  It appears that one should eventually work.  At the same time work is also going forward on better dialysis technology better filters and new methods of creating dialysate which would require less water.  It appears that with all the work going on one of the approaches will pay off before your daughter is too old.  I go to one of the few pediatric dialysis centers in my state.  And while I would hope that a transplant would arrive for each of these kids.  They all seem to be doing well.  Also the new transplant rules are aimed at providing the best kidneys to the youngest patients.  I know it would be best if your child was not in this position but there is real hope in the next decade.