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Dialysis Discussion => Dialysis: Transplant Discussion => Topic started by: Cordelia on October 30, 2013, 08:08:57 AM
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Since I started dialysis in 2010 ( I am 7 mos post tx now) I have had problems with my nails. Toe nails, finger nails, all the time with the exception of when I was on a super high dose of the prednisone, my fingernails were beautiful! LOL!
I've tried rubbing vit E cream on my nails, I've tried keeping them short, but they grow long fast and they are sooooooo brittle and break so easily esp if they get to a certain point.
I've tried using an emery stick/board whatever you call it.
Is there anything else I could try?
What causes it? Is it because my vitamin B levels are whacked?
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I'm not post transplant and have developed brittle nails as well. For me, it is no issue, because I keep them short anyway. Grumpy
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I'm not post transplant but during my journey with end stage renal failure, I developed brittle nails as well. They would chip and peel. It was a big deal to me so I investigated and asked around.
I ran into a beautician that overcame a very serious cancer and all her medications/treatments caused brittle nails as well. She suggested to me two products: The ProStrong line has a Calcium & Fluoride kit that replenishes these nutrients to build nails. Apparently, these are two very important components for healthy nails. I tried these products and they worked very well.
The other product was T.I.P.S for Toes. Even though it says for toes, you can use it on your fingernails too. :P This also works amazingly! These are both sort of pricey options but the products last for awhile. I'd just thought I'd offer what has worked for me and no, I'm not a salesperson! :P
I don't know the ins and outs of products that you can use (that are absorbed through the skin sort of thing) post transplant, so I guess it would be best to check them out with your team if you care to try them. I hope that you can find a solution to your problem nails. :) Good luck!
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Yes, mine chip and peel also. Its been a problem since my renal failure over 3 years ago.
I have to keep them short too, Grumpy. Problem is I have problems with them short too, they still chip and are brittle lol
UkrainianTracksuit, thanks for your advice. I'm not sure if the same products would be available in my country, but I could ask, thanks for your advice! :thx; :cuddle;
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Yes, mine chip and peel also. Its been a problem since my renal failure over 3 years ago.
I have to keep them short too, Grumpy. Problem is I have problems with them short too, they still chip and are brittle lol
UkrainianTracksuit, thanks for your advice. I'm not sure if the same products would be available in my country, but I could ask, thanks for your advice! :thx; :cuddle;
I saw TIPS for TOES on QVC http://www.qvc.com/T.I.P.S.-Toe-Nail-Conditioner.product.A62260.html
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Wal Mart carries a product called " Nutra Nail " Man, is this good stuff. My nails grow super fast and are hard as rocks.
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Ah! Thanks Jean, I have Wal-mart here, thanks for the info! It's not even a five minute drive away! I'll see there! :bandance;
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I so hope it works for you. It works so well for me, I have to cut my nails at least every2 weeks!!!
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Hi Jean, thanks. I havent even had a chance to get to Walmart yet, I've been sick for the last week and change. :(
I will have to mark it down on my list next time I'll able to make it.
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Well, I am glad you are feeling better and planning a "Wally" trip. When I saw your name on the post I got all excited and thought, ooh boy, she tired it and it worked!!! Haha, next time!!
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Hi Jean, :flower; Thanks, I had one of those nasty head colds, it was horrible. I had a cough to boot. I'm glad I'm doing better now, :thx;
I couldn't find it at Wally when I went this past week. I scoured in the aisle and did not see it. There wasn't even a sales associate around that I could ask. Grrrrr. :thumbdown;
Anyways, I found something else I'm going to ask my tx clinic nurse if I can use and its called Hard as Hoof. :rofl; Its a nail-strengthening cream. I laughed at the name of it. Have you ever heard of it? LOL! :lol;
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I’ll just throw this info out there. It’s pretty common sense and you can tell me to shut up.
Many of the products on the market such as “Hard as Hoof” share ingredients with hoof cream/hoof polish for horses. It’s kind of a rage now to pay for veterinary products (such as Hoofmaker or Healthy Hoof) at spa prices at cosmetics distributors. People around horses that put hoof cream or hoof polish on their horses would notice that their nails would strengthen and their hands would soften. In my personal experience, I’ve been using Pedocan Hufkräftiger on my horse again and my dry skin/brittle nails are better. (And it’s antibacterial!) (I was being a bad horse owner and not conditioning Tsaritsa’s hooves. A cold breeze on butt cleavage is not fun so no bending over.) I should've remembered this basic before I threw money out at cosmetic products.
That being said, Hard as Hoof was designed for humans with a foundation of “hoof science” behind it. From all that I’ve heard, it works wonders. You should be really happy about your nails soon. People have said they see results very quickly. Some up to a week! Good luck! :)
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As somene who has actually treated and surgically removed well over 10,000 nails in my 25 years , I will say that nail problems are very complex and multi factorial. Nails are fundimentally keratin which is a protein. So any issues with protein such as proteinuria will adversally effect them . Another big cause of nail problems is blood flow . Any large vessell or small vessell -microcirculatory problems will damage the fragile matrix or nail root causing nail damage . This is very common in diabetics especially but also in any disorder that effects blood vessels such as calcifying disorders which can occur with renal disease. The same issues that effect fistulas can damage nails.
Anemia , which we all know is a major issue in renal disease is another major damaging factor to nails as it cuts down the oxygen to the matrix-root which is extremely senitive to this. Cardio-vascular disorders, psoriasis, some ato immune disorders , systemic arthritis , etc. all effect nails negatively.
Many of these disorders then allow fungus and or candida(yeast) to invade the matrix as it is compromised and further damage the nails. Some of the topicals mentioned probably reduce some of the fungus, candida and bacteria that are superimposed on the weakened nails. That may be why they help some .
All I can say is I have seen just about every type nail issue from trauma to infections to cancers have seen just how sensitive the nails are to just about any pathology or even light trauma. It often amazes me how even a small item jammed on a nail will cause permanent deformity or loss of nail.
For the record I am not a big fan of the oral anti fungal nail meds. I rarely prescribe them Topicals are safer but dont always work.
Good advice, if you see a nail become dark colored or lines of color have it checked. melanoma can occur in nails . It can be deadly. Any major changes in shape or consistancy should also be checked by a doctor. Dont trust your life to a nail technician. Nails can often show the first signs of underlying disease as they are so sensitive to pathology elsewhere.
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My nails actually grow really fast and strong. I'm not sure why I'm lucky enough to have healthy nails. I'm sure it's frustrating to have them be brittle.
I agree with obsidianom that oral antifungals are dangerous for us. (Although of course not all nail problems are fungus.) I had a fungus on my big toe nail. I went with Vicks, the chest rub. I read it was an alternative. I spread it on and put socks on. It would be trickier with hands. Eventually the fungus part fell off and healthy nail grew. Maybe I was lucky but it helped with no drug interaction.
I hope the hoof stuff helps you. It probably will but it takes time for the weak nail to grow out.
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Vicks, huh? I will try that. I have been dabbing Listerine on my big toe and it has helped a lot, but no cure. I have fungus on one toes. How weird, isn't it???
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I was having a lot of trouble with my big toenails being brittle. On a weekly basis I would get toenail "splinters". My dialysis nurse suggested trying a Biotin supplement (Vitamin B 1 mg) which seems to help. My transplant team is keeping me on it. It might be worth asking about. I prefer natural whenever possible (says the girl who is currently on over 50 pills a day!)
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LOL KatieV. We are kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place aren't we? 50 pills is impressive. I've never made it past 42.
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WOW, 50 pills is amazing. I take about 12 and thought that was a lot.
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I have recently upped my vitamin D dosage, so maybe that will help me, I'm hoping!
Plus, I'm now able to start on a multi-vitamin as well which I have not been on a multi vitamin since I was a kid. I was always told with "reduced kidney function" never to take vitamin pills, so now that I have no more reduced function because of a new kidney, my fingers and toes (pun intended :rofl; :rofl; ) that the brittle nails with improve over time!
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First, I did try the Vicks and I saw a nearly overnight improvement. Amazing. Second, Cordelia, I too went to Wallys to get a new bottle of the stuff and couldn't find it either. Will try again next time. Let us see if you have any improvement with your stuff, please? Gawd, the things we go thru!!!
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First, I did try the Vicks and I saw a nearly overnight improvement. Amazing. Second, Cordelia, I too went to Wallys to get a new bottle of the stuff and couldn't find it either. Will try again next time. Let us see if you have any improvement with your stuff, please? Gawd, the things we go thru!!!
Hi Jean, oh gosh, you're right, the things we go through! I have hang nails now, ??? :( I'm so disgruntled, I can't stand those! Grrrrrrr lol
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They hurt, don' they!!! Hope that clears up soon.
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They sure do, omigosh, my hands are also super dry right now, they crack, they bleed, I get these little cuts on my hands. My husband is sick with a miserable cold and cough right now since last week so I've been really vigilent on the hand washing and its dry in my house so that doesn't help either with the furnace and the gas fireplace running. I keep applying lotion to my hands like crazy lol
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They sure do, omigosh, my hands are also super dry right now, they crack, they bleed, I get these little cuts on my hands. My husband is sick with a miserable cold and cough right now since last week so I've been really vigilent on the hand washing and its dry in my house so that doesn't help either with the furnace and the gas fireplace running. I keep applying lotion to my hands like crazy lol
About the only over the counter moisturizer that works well is Eucerin . The Advanced Healing Ointment version is the best . CVS has its own generic version which is just as good, but cheaper. Cream is better than lotion , and ointment is the best. I put it on at night especially to keep it on while I sleep and in the morning my hands are softer and dont crack. I have to wash mine all the time both at home for dialyisis and at the office seeing patients so they take a beating. When really bad I wear gloves over the ointment all night which really helps.
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Even Vaseline and gloves works wonders. For the dryness I mean.
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For my niece, we've actually been putting Triple Paste on her hands and then putting gloves on. Triple Paste is the world's most expensive diaper rash cream. We already had some in the house. But even a cheaper version my be worth trying if you find nothing else is working.
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Thanks everyone for your advice and suggestions, I am taking note of all your ideas! :thumbup; I also put my neutrogena on at night so that I'm not washing as much.