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Dialysis Discussion => Dialysis: General Discussion => Topic started by: aharris2 on February 20, 2007, 05:23:01 PM
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(alene writing)
A little over 4 years ago, I posted to Lonely Planet's Thorn Tree "Travelers with Disabilities" branch regarding the possibility of travel to Europe while on hemodialysis. We were beginners at that time. I was just on Lonely Planet and did a search for "dialysis". My old post came up, along with several replies - one from a Bill Peckham who had started dialysis in 1990 and had traveled extensively in Europe since 1996! Bill wrote about the cost of hd, which is a very significant factor in traveling outside of the US. In Guatemala it cost us between $200 and $250 per session a I recall.
Bill, thanks for your reply so long ago. We are getting closer to our trip to Europe (I hope). Again, we have the cost issue. In your travels, what did you discover? Which countries are the least expensive (in particular, how do Italy, Spain, and Portugal compare ... with each other and generally in the cost spectrum)? I have looked at Global Dialysis but cost info is generally lacking. As far as arranging dialysis, we have used Holiday Dialysis International which is associated with Fresenius, but it is premature to contact them. I would rather start focusing on a country or two which are the most affordable.
Well Bill, it truly is a small world, made so by the internet and enhanced by travel. Thanks! :)
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I know Spain is a very common destination for people travelling from the UK on dialysis. It is slightly easier being an EU country, but I will find out from my clinic today how it would work for people coming from the US. When I know more I will let you know.
Alasdair
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alene - I think the thorntree is great and I do (did) post there. As far as keeping costs down one way would be to contact units directly HDI, if memory serves tacks on a bit to each treatment. One of my favorite trips was when a friend and I went from Portugal to Italy via Spain and France in 1997 no treatments in Portugal (weekend to start after a brief stop with treatment in London) I did have treatments in Seville, Madrid, Barcelona, Marseilles, Florence and Rome. My info is a bit dated- wow has it been ten years? - but I thought price wise Spain was reasonable, of course the value of the dollar was greater back then but my memory is that Spain was in the low $300, Italy was in the low $400.
The Italian and Spanish units were set up by HDI but one unit I set up in Marseilles France gouged me after telling me (via fax/phone) that the price was "normal" they charged me about $1,000 for a treatment. I would advise contacting units directly and letting them know you are self pay. Another way to keep costs down is to stay for three or more treatments in one place (I often did just two). It is easier (cheaper) for them if you stay a while and some units - mostly in Australia - that I have visited will give breaks for longer stays.
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Thanks for your replies, guys. I am so stricken by the wanderlust right now. Thorn Tree is the only thing that gets me through these times (well, that and planning the next trip). AlasdairUK, I am looking forward to more info from you. Bill, just a question - would booking France through HDI have prevented the $1000 dialysis session situation? (I would certainly rather learn from your experience than get stung while in another country/continent myself). Where else have you been? I just found out today that Spain was tops on Rolando's list because he speaks the language. But, given that language was not an issue, he would pick Germany then Italy. We try not to talk about things from the "what we can't do" point of view, but instead from the "how can we make it happen with what we have" perspective. So Rolando, if you're reading this, get to work on learning German and Italian. We have places to go and things to see and cuisines to conquer!
In my opinion, the (hemo)dialysis issue ties a traveler to a central location with day tripping from there. Is that how you've done it? If so, what do you think some good choices for home bases would be?
Everyone else, jump in - international travel on in-center hemodialysis - successes, failures...
You already have our contribution - Guatemala, centered in Guatemala City (Hospital Herrera Llerandi). $200-$250/session. One-on-one dialysis, the tech would even pick us up at the hotel!
We day tripped all over the country. I drove (something I never would have done without Rolando's influence). What a blast!!!
Photos can be seen at http://new.photos.yahoo.com/templodos/albums in Guatemala Jan/Feb 2006.
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was tut, meinen Sie lernen Deutsch? ich denke, dass wir dabei sind, eine Druckwelle in Europa zu haben of course it wouldn't be much fun without my pocket translator or my laptop...hehehe
your bro...
Rolando
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was tut, meinen Sie lernen Deutsch? ich denke, dass wir dabei sind, eine Druckwelle in Europa zu haben of course it wouldn't be much fun without my pocket translator or my laptop...hehehe
your bro...
Rolando
hey epoman, how do you :bump; a post, this one for example?
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was tut, meinen Sie lernen Deutsch? ich denke, dass wir dabei sind, eine Druckwelle in Europa zu haben of course it wouldn't be much fun without my pocket translator or my laptop...hehehe
your bro...
Rolando
hey epoman, how do you :bump; a post, this one for example?
You just did it.
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I'm traveling right now but have you seen the blog section of globaldialysis.com? http://www.globaldialysis.com/blog/index.asp?ui=Bill%20Peckham&s=bloggers I've posted various trip reports there. And there are some links and photos on my extremely lame site www.billpeckham.com
In summary I've dialyzed on five continents, 19 countries. Since starting dialysis I've been to 29 countries. I hope to go diving in Aruba this November but it wont count as a new country since it is part of the Netherlands.
I fly out in 4 hours - I hope this weekend I'll be able to reconnect with you all while I relax at home. Cheers,
Billp