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Title: Rapture anyone?
Post by: HouseOfDialysis on May 21, 2011, 05:33:19 AM
So, it seems some crackpot thinks a Rapture will start at 6pm today and the Universe will end on Oct 21st, 2011.

I'm calling shenanigans.
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: willowtreewren on May 21, 2011, 05:49:06 AM
But, then again, think of all the left over stuff that would be available for us "sinners"!!!

 :rofl; :rofl;

I agree with you, though. I feel sorry for all the poor folks who got conned into believing this hooey. And the waste of money spent on "promoting" it. We saw a banner plane fly over yesterday with a warning to be prepared for today. Imagine how many hungry people could have been fed with the money spent just on that one expenditure.

As an atheist I tend to focus more on helping people in the here and now. Today is what matters, not some pie-in-the-sky imaginary future life.

Come tomorrow there will be such an apology of back-peddling. Oh, the calculations were in error, yada, yada, yada. They will come up with some new formula to keep people living in fear instead of living their lives free from undeserved guilt.

Aleta


Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: HouseOfDialysis on May 21, 2011, 06:16:48 AM
In religions of revelation, which there are many, it is important for their deity of reference to communicate directly to its devotees. However, when a message is touted to be received from said deity that goes against a common consensus or a previous communicated revelation that is accepted by all, then it is heresy or insanity. Lesson derived, Gods can't change their minds.

It's something I've never understood. Someone claims to have a one-on-one with God and they are labeled "insane", yet people who claimed to have heard God's voice to sacrifice their oldest son's life or what have you, that can't be witnessed first hand is okay... Doesn't that sort of set the precedent?
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: boswife on May 21, 2011, 06:18:31 AM
i can only say that i will be broken hearted if im 'left behind'  :(
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: boswife on May 21, 2011, 06:31:58 AM
i can only say that i will be broken hearted if im 'left behind'  :(   

That is...........if im still around when that time comes  :)
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: HouseOfDialysis on May 21, 2011, 06:42:10 AM
Well, for what's worth... I'll still be here, regardless. :)
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: willowtreewren on May 21, 2011, 10:30:31 AM
No need to be broken hearted, Boswife! We are ALL going to be here!  :clap;

I'm off to town to pick up props for the end-of-school play my kids are performing on Wednesday. I'm going to keep on living each day and doing what I can to make the world a better place.

Somehow I can't imagine even wanting to spend eternity with some deity who would punish all of humanity with floods and other calamities. What's with that? Most people I know are nicer than anything I read about ANY of the gods out there.

Aleta
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: jbeany on May 21, 2011, 11:23:12 AM
Well, I'm still here, and it doesn't sound like the traffic is any lighter on the main road a block away, so I'm thinking pretty much everyone else is, too.  Of course, the 21st isn't over until midnight.... ;D

I've been reading a lot in the local papers lately, the endless arguments over whether the average person has gotten to far away from the "Vengeance is mine" sort of God who exists in the Bible.  Most of it inspired by the "Love Wins" by local author Rob Bell, who wrote about how God is Love and anyone who loves will go to heaven.  Such a backlash from that! I'm all for the good that can be done in the name of religion, but some of these arguments are starting to sound like kindergartners arguing over who has the better imaginary friend. 

"Well, my god is giving me a mansion and streets paved with gold and a thousand pink ponies to ride whenever I want!"
 
"Well my god is better!  He's picky and won't let just anyone in and you'll have to share all those ponies with everyone else!"
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: HouseOfDialysis on May 21, 2011, 12:32:17 PM
I have a friend who is a Lutheran minister. I'm what I like to call an apatheist. Combine apathy and theism, apatheist! But anyway, he's of the opinion that God is loving and merciful as Christ put forth and this hellfire and brimstone script is just to scare people into behaving themselves.  Sure, in the Old Testament, god was quite the less than comforting god, but I guess having a son calmed him down a bit.

Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: jbeany on May 21, 2011, 03:02:52 PM
Well, it's 6pm, the time for my time zone when everyone going was supposed to be gone.  Huh - didn't get any quieter around here!
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: Hemodoc on May 21, 2011, 03:25:27 PM
I have a friend who is a Lutheran minister. I'm what I like to call an apatheist. Combine apathy and theism, apatheist! But anyway, he's of the opinion that God is loving and merciful as Christ put forth and this hellfire and brimstone script is just to scare people into behaving themselves.  Sure, in the Old Testament, god was quite the less than comforting god, but I guess having a son calmed him down a bit.

Actually, the NT is the fulfillment of the OT and the prophesies placed there. Harold Camping does not speak for me at all, he has his million dollar empire that in my opinion is making merchandise of the people. The Bible tells us no man will no the date, period, only the Father in Heaven. So the next time you hear a person claim he knows, they are just making merchandise of folks, nothing more, nothing less.

As far as hell fires and brimstone, if people actually read the Bible, they will find that it was Jesus that taught more about hell than He did about heaven. He spoke about it as a literal place with literal punishment. I know folks like to denigrate the entire Bible whenever we have nut jobs like Harold Camping out there collecting his donations and selling his books, but I would carefully consider that the Bible is true. If folks don't want to believe it, so be it. But it would be a sad thing to wrongly believe that the works of a man like Harold Camping represents the truth of the Bible.
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: HouseOfDialysis on May 21, 2011, 03:55:01 PM
I'm dismissive of any religious text just based on certain factors with regards to literacy, power structures, and biblical telephony. That goes for the Torah, Bible, or the Qur'an. In the same vein that some Christians dismiss some Mormons and some Muslims dismiss some Hindus. Even the story of Babel sets me off on a sour note.

But anyone seeking the apocalypse should be patently ignored.
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: aharris2 on May 21, 2011, 04:27:20 PM
I wasn't paying attention, is anyone missing?
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: jbeany on May 21, 2011, 04:32:08 PM
If folks don't want to believe it, so be it. But it would be a sad thing to wrongly believe that the works of a man like Harold Camping represents the truth of the Bible.

That's the worst part about men like Camping.  He makes it easier to consider everything in the Bible or any other religious text a joke.  And while I have my own issues with a belief in a powerful deity, that doesn't mean that lessons about forgiveness, loving thy neighbor, offering mercy or charity, and doing the right thing even when it's the harder choice are wrong. Camping's drivel inclines a lot of people to throw out the baby with the bathwater.

I wasn't paying attention, is anyone missing?

Not in my neighborhood, and heck, if they haven't vanished from one of the most staunchly religious counties in my state, there isn't anyone else around who is going, either!
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: Poppylicious on May 21, 2011, 04:52:12 PM
I wasn't paying attention, is anyone missing?
Hmmm, my mum texted me about five hours ago and I haven't heard from her since. 

Crikey ...

(Of course, it is the middle of the night over here.)

 ;D
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: greg10 on May 21, 2011, 05:03:44 PM
Erapture! Iceland Grimsvotn Volcano Has Erupted

All you heathens' hearts just stopped for a second, didn't they?  :rofl;  Doesn't look too serious, nobody "disappeared", actually nobody got hurt.

"May 21, 2011
A volcano began to erupt under Iceland's biggest glacier on Saturday, but a geologist said he did not think it would cause the same disruption to air traffic as one that exploded in a different area last year.

The Grimsvotn volcano, under a massive glacier in southeast Iceland, has thrown a plume of white smoke about 15 km (9 miles) into the air, Met Office geologist Hjorleifur Sveinbjornsson told Reuters. He said Grimsvotn last exploded in 2004.

"It can be a big eruption, but it is unlikely to be like last year," he added, referring to the eruption early last year under another glacier which caused air traffic chaos after spewing dark ash into the air"

(http://shup.com/Shup/509181/Erapture-Iceland-Grimsvotn2011-05-21_195501.gif)
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: HouseOfDialysis on May 22, 2011, 05:39:29 AM
Those who want to find Hell on earth will find it. Those who seek the Apocalypse will find it. Just like anyone who sees what they want to see.

I like the Eddie Izzard stance on Jesus being relaxed and groovy, but that's about where it ends for me.
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: willowtreewren on May 22, 2011, 06:49:49 AM
The new spin is that this was just a way to test the faith of true believers.

The amount of money spent on "advertising" this non-event must have been obscene. What a waste.  :o

Quote
hose who want to find Hell on earth will find it. Those who seek the Apocalypse will find it. Just like anyone who sees what they want to see.

I'm with you there.  :2thumbsup;
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: YLGuy on May 22, 2011, 07:31:43 AM
Erapture! Iceland Grimsvotn Volcano Has Erupted

All you heathens' hearts just stopped for a second, didn't they?  :rofl;  Doesn't look too serious, nobody "disappeared", actually nobody got hurt.


I predict that on a certain date something will happen somewhere in the world!

Let's see if my prediction comes true.
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: Stoday on May 22, 2011, 08:00:00 AM
I haven't settled on a god yet. Perhaps I should see what the market in gods offers.

A front runner is the god that offers 72 virgins. Now he only needs to guarantee to give me the capability of deflowering 'em all...   :yahoo;
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: HouseOfDialysis on May 22, 2011, 08:22:13 AM
Careful what you wish for... You may get a whole set of 72 Star Trek nerds, Word of Warcraft geeks, or a busload of tribal herdsman who never knew the touch of a woman but a few good threaded stock.
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: Rerun on May 22, 2011, 08:39:26 AM
Read "Heaven Is For Real" it just came out.  Which deductive reasoning would reveal that "Hell is for real too". 

Don't take any chances......   I'm just say'en.





Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: Hemodoc on May 22, 2011, 08:58:16 AM
Read "Heaven Is For Real" it just came out.  Which deductive reasoning would reveal that "Hell is for real too". 

Don't take any chances......   I'm just say'en.

You said it well as always Rerun.
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: HouseOfDialysis on May 22, 2011, 09:17:54 AM
Sounds more like Pascal's Wager, which doesn't sound like a held belief but insurance at a blackjack table. I can't do it if it isn't genuine and sincere. I could play it off like I believe. Hell, I'd like to have that comfort of something beyond the physical world. But, I don't have that connection.
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: Rerun on May 22, 2011, 09:51:12 AM
Sounds more like Pascal's Wager, which doesn't sound like a held belief but insurance at a blackjack table. I can't do it if it isn't genuine and sincere. I could play it off like I believe. Hell, I'd like to have that comfort of something beyond the physical world. But, I don't have that connection.

I'm sorry.  Because you are missing out on such a peace of being.  But, I can't force you.  God gave you free will.
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: HouseOfDialysis on May 22, 2011, 10:03:36 AM
There's always a morphine coma. That's peaceful, too.
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: Poppylicious on May 22, 2011, 11:38:02 AM
Is it just me whose antivirus software kicks in everytime I visit this thread?  I think greg10 is trying to make my computer poorly!

Obviously, I visit this thread a lot but add little in the way of discussion (I was going to respond to your Babel 'thing' HOD, but I forgot.)

 ;D
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: HouseOfDialysis on May 22, 2011, 01:15:38 PM
Well, god saw a people who could do anything that they could propose, and confused their language and scattered them across the globe. That always struck me funny.
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: okarol on May 22, 2011, 02:17:19 PM
I figured, given the time zones, it would hit the Aussies first, and since RichardMel is still here, it didn't happen. He's a saint.   :angel;
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: HouseOfDialysis on May 22, 2011, 02:40:28 PM
Along the religious motif, I watched the following documentary today, and I really got a lot out of it.

http://lordsaveusthemovie.com/home.html (http://lordsaveusthemovie.com/home.html)
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: Hemodoc on May 22, 2011, 03:46:59 PM
Along the religious motif, I watched the following documentary today, and I really got a lot out of it.

http://lordsaveusthemovie.com/home.html (http://lordsaveusthemovie.com/home.html)

Listen to Kirk Cameron and his testimony of how he became a Christian. He puts it into perspective quite well.

http://www.godtube.com/watch/?v=DP76PWNX
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: lmunchkin on May 22, 2011, 05:01:24 PM
Well all I can say is that I do believe in the "Holy Bible".  I do not want to be left behind and I do want Heaven (which we don't have an imaginable description of) and I do not want to go to HELL. The Bible is very descriptive about Hell. Lake of Fire and the ones who refused to believe will burn for eternity and will not be able to die. Burning in fire for eternity?  Whether YOU think the Bible is real or not, I ain't taking any chances. And I really have not hurt anyone by believing in what I believe now have I? Just because others do not believe the same does not bother me one bit. Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs.  It also does not bother me what people think of me either. Iam a Child of
God through Christ and am not ashamed to say it. 

Yes God is all loving!  How many of you would give your son to die for me? No I don't believe Jesus is a myth!  I do believe He came in this world by a Virgin, lived among us and was crucified for our sins.  He rose again 3 days later and is now with his father in Heaven. 

How do I know this?  Cause the Bible tells me so.  Remember, I said I Believe in the Holy Bible. Yes it is true, Rapture is not mentioned in the Bible, but Jesus coming down from the clouds and believers going up to meet him in the air, is!  This is what we believers look forward to!

I also believe that we are living in the end times, and know that generations before ours has said the same things. In saying that, I also know that I nor anyone else knows the hour the Lord comes back.  No One!  But I pray that I am doing what is required or is pleasing when that time comes. Even though Iam washed with the Blood of Christ and he has forgiven me of my sins, I'm still human and am in need of Forgiveness daily!

Guess I'm a Weirdo but I'm a SAVED ONE, thanks to JESUS who made it possible for me!!!!  And you, by the way, if you choose to believe it!

Still Love You all, regardless!


lmunchkin     :flower;    :bandance;
lmunchkin   
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: HouseOfDialysis on May 22, 2011, 05:22:37 PM
Since Jesus was Jewish, I'll defer to the Jewish faith and Gehinnom and Gan Eden. It just seems logical to me.
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: lmunchkin on May 22, 2011, 05:38:16 PM
Yes, I believe Jesus Christ was born Jewish, no logic to that.  Are you telling me that you believe he died for Jews only, because that is not what the Bible says?

lmunchkin
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: HouseOfDialysis on May 22, 2011, 05:52:39 PM
I'm simply saying that if I had to pick a faith I'd go with the one that Jesus was. Jewish.
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: aharris2 on May 22, 2011, 06:54:29 PM
I haven't settled on a god yet. Perhaps I should see what the market in gods offers.

A front runner is the god that offers 72 virgins. Now he only needs to guarantee to give me the capability of deflowering 'em all...   :yahoo;

 :rofl;

And, House of Dialysis, what, exactly would be wrong with "...boldly going where no man has gone before..." with 72 Star Trek nerds?
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: lmunchkin on May 22, 2011, 08:53:02 PM
Ok then, you don't believe that Jesus was the Messiah!  The Jews, unless converted, don't believe the Messiah has come yet.  They don't believe that Jesus was the Savior of the world, that he was great teacher and some Jews actually believe that Jesus was a false prophet.  They are still waiting for their Messiah. 

I have a great amount of respect for the Jewish people.  No one in the history of time has gone through so much persecution as did the Jews.  I don't accuse them of Crucifying Jesus.  They never believed he was whom He claimed.
We all crucified him with our sins is what I believe.  The Jews are God's chosen people, and those who bless Israel will be blessed and those who curse them will be cursed.

I love them, but believe strongly, that the Messiah has come and will return again, so therefore they are wrong when they say that the Messiah is yet to come! 

So you say you defer to the Jewish faith, I can respect that since you are a Jew, but respectfully disagree with your faith in regards to Jesus.  Our faiths are not much different because we live by God's laws!  The real differences in our faith is in the Messiah. I believe Christ has already come and you believe he has not been here yet but that he is coming.

See, even the Jewish people suffer with Kidney Disease!  That is something we all on IHD have in common!


lmunchkin      :flower;
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: RichardMEL on May 22, 2011, 09:02:15 PM
Actuall it would hit the chatham islands first, and they are part of New Zealand, so the kiwis get it first... if it happens. My money is still on the end of the mayan calendar end of the world on dec 21, 2012 - I'm planning an all night party/orgy on the 20th.... any girls want to join me?????  :rofl; :rofl; :rofl; :rofl; :rofl; :rofl; :rofl; :rofl;

Anyway had to share this from the other night I was listening to late night talkback radio (where all lonely and insane people hangout) and this guy called in claiming to be stuck in hospital. Anyway he was freaking out because "I see a red light in the sky and it's the end of the world and I'm so scared!!!!!" and he went on and on but then something he said made me sit up and laugh soo hard I almost peed myself. He said "My doctor said I will have to stay in hospital for another 2 weeks... but... I'm scared... it's the end of the world... and I'm really upset aboutt this!!" - so essentially he was complaining that if it was the end of the world he *wouldn't* have to stay in hospital for another few weeks?!?! ummm....??????

Well I found it amusing.

Alas he must still be in the hospital, and it's probably a good thing for all concerned! :)
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: jbeany on May 22, 2011, 09:33:55 PM
I haven't settled on a god yet. Perhaps I should see what the market in gods offers.

A front runner is the god that offers 72 virgins. Now he only needs to guarantee to give me the capability of deflowering 'em all...   :yahoo;

 :rofl;

And, House of Dialysis, what, exactly would be wrong with "...boldly going where no man has gone before..." with 72 Star Trek nerds?

I thought it was 42, not 72. 

If think H of D is wrongly assuming all Star Trek nerds are male....
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: lmunchkin on May 22, 2011, 09:55:36 PM
Richard, you my friend, are too funny!  I hadn't heard anything about this prediction that this individual made about the world ending on such n such date, until today!  Im a little disappointed that I hadnt heard about it cause had it really been the end, I would be out of luck!  lol

I can't believe people actually made money off this!

lmunchkin
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: RichardMEL on May 22, 2011, 10:30:40 PM
Well the world is made up of some very gullible people, and those that prey on them. I'm just hoping that some of the former are female star trek nerds that might be interested in some quality time with me....  :rofl; :rofl; :rofl; :rofl; :rofl; :rofl; :rofl;
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: HouseOfDialysis on May 23, 2011, 04:21:23 AM
The overwhelming numbers of nerds are male and that stereotype of basement dwelling Klingon vocal coaching over Bugles and Diet Pepsi lives on. Maybe not so much those exact snacks, but close enough.

The female portion of nerds I know, are mainly into comics, and are heavily tattooed and could all be Suicide Girls, fetish modeling company for the uninitiated. It goes against the typical nerd template, which I am thankful for. Hot nerds are always welcomed in my world.

And I'm a good ol' materialist in the strict sense of the word and not Jewish. But kosher franks are awesomely delicious!
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: aharris2 on May 23, 2011, 04:43:34 AM
The overwhelming numbers of nerds are male and that stereotype of basement dwelling Klingon vocal coaching over Bugles and Diet Pepsi lives on. Maybe not so much those exact snacks, but close enough.

The female portion of nerds I know, are mainly into comics, and are heavily tattooed and could all be Suicide Girls, fetish modeling company for the uninitiated. It goes against the typical nerd template, which I am thankful for. Hot nerds are always welcomed in my world.

Male? Not the last time I looked! Tattooed? No body art. Into comics? Only if that's a reference to comedians. Suicide Girls? Fetish modeling company??? Yikes! I don't know who they are or what they do, so no again. But, I doubt that I'd be considered hot. (Sorry HOD).

But, RichardMel did not list hot as one of his requirements and he loves cats... Richard? Ah, but you're half a world away.
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: RichardMEL on May 23, 2011, 07:10:22 AM
Ah stereotypes... they are everywhere.

What is a nerd anyway? To my mind a "nerd" or "geek" is anyone with a specialised area of interest. I have a friend (female, incidently) who is totally into all things egypt, as in ancient, mummies, king tut, pyramids, etc... I call her an "egypt nerd" :) She grumbles at the title, but I think secretly understands it is accurate :)

To me, you don't have to love batman or Star Trek or go to sci-fi conventions, or be a physics major or whatever to be a "nerd" - but I suppose generally the vast majority of geeks will be some sort of intersection of the various words of gaming (both computer and board/card), comics, "genre" tv/movies like BSG, Star Trek/wars, Buffy, etc to folks who join into stuff like the SCA, do roleplay(not the naughty sort... well.. maybe some of that lol) etc.

The thing is though. Your "average" nerd is all around you. Sitting across from you at work or on the bus or one of your best friends. The extreme minority, like the ones who dress up as klingons and walk the streets quotiung shakespeare etc are the ones who get labelled and ridiculed but really there's a vast majority of folks out there who enjoy this sort of stuff to various degrees. Consider how many popular movies coming out over this US summe are based on comics or genre stuff like Green Lantern, Thor, Captain America, Eight Mil(I think it is), Harry Potter of course, etc etc...

Anyway I happen to know a number of very attractive female geekettes ho don't have tatts etc etc. stereotypes aren't fair....

btw I'm also an Airplane Geek :)
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: HouseOfDialysis on May 23, 2011, 10:00:37 AM
I'm well aware. I'm a metal geek, myself, as my wife is a literature geek.

This intersections of geekdom and nerddom also serves as the socialization of these fellows. Where the fringe and obscure are commonplace and mainstream culture is put to the side... I'm well aware.

I am quite happy to see so many roller derby/burlesque entities popping up. It shows a good spirit, I think, locally. We have Bizarro Burlesque which is highly active, plus we are having a Burlesque festival on May 28th. Good times!

From Rapture to Jesus to Jews to Nerds... What's next in the thread? Astrophysics and Cheetos? I love Cheetos!
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: Poppylicious on May 23, 2011, 10:57:08 AM
From Rapture to Jesus to Jews to Nerds... What's next in the thread? Astrophysics and Cheetos? I love Cheetos!
I've never had Cheetos, but I hear they're better than Wotsits.

 ;D
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: HouseOfDialysis on May 23, 2011, 11:16:33 AM
I lived off of Cheetos for years. They are wonderful except for turning your fingers orange. And anything else they touch.

And if you eat a whole 2lbs bag in one setting, you will get sick. These are important things I have learned.
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: jbeany on May 23, 2011, 11:29:47 AM
I lived off of Cheetos for years. They are wonderful except for turning your fingers orange. And anything else they touch.

And if you eat a whole 2lbs bag in one setting, you will get sick. These are important things I have learned.

Important life lessons.....provided here at IHD free of charge!
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: HouseOfDialysis on May 23, 2011, 01:18:03 PM
And knowing is half the battle!
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: willowtreewren on May 23, 2011, 01:50:59 PM
Only watch this if you think the whole Rapture Hoopla was funny....or worse....a con.

http://richarddawkins.net/videos/629281-after-the-rapture (http://richarddawkins.net/videos/629281-after-the-rapture)

Aleta
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: HouseOfDialysis on May 23, 2011, 03:26:45 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHA!

I think I just soiled myself...

BWHAHAHAHAHAHA
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: HouseOfDialysis on May 23, 2011, 03:33:14 PM
Actually, in all seriousness simple mathematics dictates that our consumption of resources doubles at paces that "growth" simply cannot sustain. We will have some serious decisions to make with regards to our population not just as Americans but as a species facing finite resources and growing numbers of us. New mouths to feed, new technologies to fuel, new stories to tell...

What we will do will not just decide our future but, IF, we have a future.
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: willowtreewren on May 23, 2011, 04:49:37 PM
So true, Ronald. Sadly, so true.

(I thought you might get a kick out of the video!)  :clap;

Aleta
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: aharris2 on May 23, 2011, 06:57:25 PM
btw I'm also an Airplane Geek :)
:2thumbsup;  ;)

HOD, I love astrophysics (warp drive, black holes, supernovas, gravity) and cheetos!
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: galvo on May 23, 2011, 07:30:01 PM
That was a scream, Aleta!
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: RichardMEL on May 23, 2011, 08:07:38 PM
ROFL! Too funny.

Maybe next time... in October?!  :rofl;
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: HouseOfDialysis on May 23, 2011, 08:53:09 PM

HOD, I love astrophysics (warp drive, black holes, supernovas, gravity) and cheetos!

I'm reading some Hawking and Weinberg books currently.
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: Chris on May 23, 2011, 11:03:41 PM
I wasn't paying attention, is anyone missing?

I am! :rofl;
Or did you all follow me on the highway of hell?
 
 
The thing is, are these multi million dollar preachers even recognized by any formal people of a said religion? Doubt it
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: Des on May 24, 2011, 05:32:47 AM
Well all I can say is that I do believe in the "Holy Bible".  I do not want to be left behind and I do want Heaven (which we don't have an imaginable description of) and I do not want to go to HELL. The Bible is very descriptive about Hell. Lake of Fire and the ones who refused to believe will burn for eternity and will not be able to die. Burning in fire for eternity?  Whether YOU think the Bible is real or not, I ain't taking any chances. And I really have not hurt anyone by believing in what I believe now have I? Just because others do not believe the same does not bother me one bit. Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs.  It also does not bother me what people think of me either. Iam a Child of
God through Christ and am not ashamed to say it. 

Yes God is all loving!  How many of you would give your son to die for me? No I don't believe Jesus is a myth!  I do believe He came in this world by a Virgin, lived among us and was crucified for our sins.  He rose again 3 days later and is now with his father in Heaven. 

How do I know this?  Cause the Bible tells me so.  Remember, I said I Believe in the Holy Bible. Yes it is true, Rapture is not mentioned in the Bible, but Jesus coming down from the clouds and believers going up to meet him in the air, is!  This is what we believers look forward to!

I also believe that we are living in the end times, and know that generations before ours has said the same things. In saying that, I also know that I nor anyone else knows the hour the Lord comes back.  No One!  But I pray that I am doing what is required or is pleasing when that time comes. Even though Iam washed with the Blood of Christ and he has forgiven me of my sins, I'm still human and am in need of Forgiveness daily!

Guess I'm a Weirdo but I'm a SAVED ONE, thanks to JESUS who made it possible for me!!!!  And you, by the way, if you choose to believe it!

Still Love You all, regardless!


lmunchkin     :flower;    :bandance;
lmunchkin   

AMEN

Me too!
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: willowtreewren on May 24, 2011, 05:37:48 AM
Des, dear.

I hope my posts didn't offend you. Because I love you, too.

 :grouphug; :grouphug;

Aleta
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: Des on May 24, 2011, 05:41:43 AM
Des, dear.

I hope my posts didn't offend you. Because I love you, too.

 :grouphug; :grouphug;

Aleta

Never ever! - we have agreed long time ago to disagree.  :2thumbsup;
That's what friends are for - to accept the other person as they are not as you want them to be.

Lov
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: jbeany on May 24, 2011, 07:55:34 AM
Oh, I hope there's little to offend anyone in this discussion of Rapture predictions.  I think it's perfectly reasonable to have a strong faith in your own version of the Christian religion - and still think  Camping and his endless predictions are totally whacked!
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: Poppylicious on May 24, 2011, 08:09:34 AM
Aleta, thanks for posting the video ... loved it, muchly! 

And folks, don't fret.  MY fifth wedding anniversary this October (21st) is going to be AMAZING!  Why?  Because Camping will once again have to work on an interesting excuse which doesn't involve the words, 'full cow of I'm poo' (to be put in any order you wish, as long as it makes sense.)

 ;D
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: willowtreewren on May 24, 2011, 01:42:26 PM
Quote
'full cow of I'm poo'

 :rofl; :rofl; :rofl; :rofl;

Poppy, you are a scream!
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: looneytunes on May 24, 2011, 07:27:02 PM
Poppy..you crack me up!   :rofl;  :rofl;  :rofl;  :rofl;
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: Chris on May 24, 2011, 09:30:40 PM
I never heard of this guy before, but missed his excuse and future prediction. Would it be wrong to ask him for future winning lotto numbers? :rofl;
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: Jean on May 25, 2011, 12:40:40 AM
Chris, you probably could ask him for winning numbers, but, would you believe him??
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: galvo on May 25, 2011, 04:31:34 PM
Chris, if I recall correctly, I gave you some winning Lotto numbers a few months ago. I am still waiting for my 20% commission!!!
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: Chris on May 25, 2011, 04:35:28 PM
Chris, if I recall correctly, I gave you some winning Lotto numbers a few months ago. I am still waiting for my 20% commission!!!
:rofl;
Apparently they went along the lines of the Rapture, nothing panned out.
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: Stoday on May 25, 2011, 04:47:20 PM
Actually, in all seriousness simple mathematics dictates that our consumption of resources doubles at paces that "growth" simply cannot sustain.
That's not true. Simple mathematics dictates that our consumption of resources will never run out.

As a resource dwindles, its price increases until demand matches availability. Also, as the price increases, it makes what was a more expensive alternative relatively cheaper, thus demand is further reduced by substitution.

Sail gave way to coal, which later gave way to diesel. The need for railroads has reduced because of the availability of air transport. Horses were displaced by automobiles, before they clogged up the streets with manure.
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: galvo on May 25, 2011, 09:36:56 PM
"Anyone who believes in indefinite growth in anything physical on a physically finite planet is either mad - or an economist"  Keneth Boulding.
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: HouseOfDialysis on May 26, 2011, 09:49:13 AM
Actually, in all seriousness simple mathematics dictates that our consumption of resources doubles at paces that "growth" simply cannot sustain.
That's not true. Simple mathematics dictates that our consumption of resources will never run out.

As a resource dwindles, its price increases until demand matches availability. Also, as the price increases, it makes what was a more expensive alternative relatively cheaper, thus demand is further reduced by substitution.

Sail gave way to coal, which later gave way to diesel. The need for railroads has reduced because of the availability of air transport. Horses were displaced by automobiles, before they clogged up the streets with manure.

Rough estimates point to almost 11 billion people on the planet by 2050 if current fertility rates hold firm. The developing world will continue likely with high growth rates in population whereas the western world will see stagnation, if not negative rates. That said, Asia (China) is consuming more and more, not to mention Southeast Asia and a red hot Brazilian economy. We will need new means of producing energy, yes. But whether or not that is oil or fission, what have you, our demand for energy will soon outpace production of energy. Plus, the more life saving breakthroughs we have, we will keep alive more people for longer, who will in turn demand more energy.

Plus, price is irrelevant to someone who just takes what they need. Not that I'm trying to tie a neat ribbon here, but we've had six banks robbed, rather brazenly in five days. More and more, push comes to shove. Lots of people are now deciding to shove before pushing.
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: Stoday on May 26, 2011, 08:34:40 PM
Even in Ladson, SC, it's still more lucrative to be a bank owner rather than a bank robber.

For HOD (http://local.lectlaw.com/Starting_an_International_Bank_Ladson_SC-r1294449-Ladson_SC.html)
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Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: Ang on May 26, 2011, 10:12:16 PM
new date for the end is now october sometime i heard
Title: Re: Rapture anyone?
Post by: HouseOfDialysis on May 27, 2011, 06:55:34 AM
That was when the Universe was going to be destroyed originally, 153 days after the Rapture... Well, secondly, really. he first thought the Rapture would be in 1994.