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Title: That flu thing Billp is always trying to talk about
Post by: Bill Peckham on January 08, 2007, 10:46:11 PM
This an edited version of my current thinking from posts to HDC & D_S (search pandemic)

I've been a bit hesitant to bring this up, in general because when you consider the worst case scenario … well the worst case scenario is very bad. Very, very bad. I go back and forth on how likely it is ... right now, from what I've read I would say we don’t know what is going on in Asia. But just going by what is reported the news is alarming.

My Mom, who is a Christian Scientist BTW, pro’ly thinks I’m smoking crack. I have a friend who forbids the topic believing that I am becoming obsessed. I’ve cashed some of whatever credibility I’ve accumulated online by trying to discuss this only to be met by a lack of engagement.

So okay here is what I’ve been reading.

Start here be an Instant Expert    just like me  ::)
http://www.flutrackers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9969

The above link is to an excellent post on the Flu Tracker message board ( http://www.flutrackers.com/forum/index.php ) that gives an overview of Bird Flu including an FAQ  I’ve lurked there for about a year and think they do a good job: a balance of reporting and skepticism.

This will answer some common questions - what’s different? This is just a part of what is posted http://www.newscientist.com )
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"...3. Could flu be about to jump species between birds and humans again?

Yes. Most flu viruses circulate among aquatic birds but they occasionally mutate and infect other species. Right now, we're worried because one bird virus, called H5N1, has become able to infect and kill people.

Two problems occur when a flu virus jumps species, as H5N1 is doing. One, its surface proteins are different from those on human flu virus, so our immunity to past flu will not help us. Two, the tricks that allowed the virus to evade the immune system of its previous host without much fuss can provoke the immune systems of its new host into a fatal overreaction. Such a virus can be deadly until we develop immunity, and it evolves into a milder form.

Some H5 bird flus have long been able to infect humans exposed to lots of the virus, but these strains do not appear to have been particularly dangerous. In 1992, up to 7 per cent of Chinese poultry workers surveyed had antibodies to viruses with H5. But at some point
the far more lethal H5N1 virus evolved.

The strain of H5N1 circulating now, called the Z genotype, has been traced back to geese in Guangdong, China, in 1996. Since then H5N1 has appeared more and more in a new host, chickens, in which it is changing very rapidly. For reasons we don't understand, this evolution has also steadily made it more deadly to mammals

In 1997, H5N1 shocked virologists when it killed 6 out of 18 people infected by poultry in Hong Kong. That outbreak was stopped when all 1.2 million poultry in Hong Kong were slaughtered. But H5N1 continued to circulate in Chinese poultry and by 2003 had spread with the meat and cockfighting businesses across east Asia. In 2004, Vietnam began reporting human cases. Crucially, though, H5N1 is still unable to pass from person to person with the same ease with which it spreads from bird to bird. "


Reading the news of the various clusters of human Bird Flu cases across Asia and now north Africa it does seem that this is coming - even the President used the term 'grave' to describe the situation when he was in Indonesia a couple of months ago. I guess I could understand why there is a general reluctance to label the current situation as a Pandemic in Stage 4 or (more accurately) Stage 5, after all if the pain and suffering caused by a worldwide economic slowdown (shutdown?) and a disruption in trade/travel can be delayed, then it makes sense to delay even if it means a public display of denial. Plus you could be wrong, no one really knows and it could just go away. Do you really want to be someone like me asking for action only to be proven wrong? I really do hope I am wrong and have to be heckled by every one of you as we all grow into old age with bionic kidneys for all.

But is hope enough of a strategy to rely on? As individuals we should try to prepare. We should do the sorts of things everyone should be doing to prepare for emergencies: Having an emergency stock of food and water, a back up supply of medicines, etc. but beyond that, as individuals who require dialysis, we should recognize that we are in a very vulnerable position.

There is no other way to say it. A pandemic would be very bad for people on dialysis. Extremely bad. Many of us have compromised immune systems which magnifies the clinical risk of getting sick but more than that incenter dialysis populations are vulnerable in a logistical sense, not just a clinical sense. Incenter dialyzors have to congregate three times a week. We rely on a functioning supply chain. We rely on the commitment of care givers.

I think I can say that people on home therapies are in a better position to make it through either a pandemic of flu or a pandemic of fear. If either fear or flu becomes widespread incenter dialyzors will be most vulnerable.

I believe an important step to being prepared is talking openly. Tell me what I’m missing. There are CMS committee(s) at work to figure it out but that process should be transparent and inclusive.

Apparently this risk has always been with us, we are no less prepared today then we were last year. There will be for the foreseeable future a risk of new pandemics but the news from Asia does focus the mind. I hope the individuals on this CMS committee - who I believe all have other jobs and responsibilities - can improve preparation.

I'll know this has happened when in addition to emergency diet plans all dialyzors are given a resource conservation schedule. I'll feel better if it is explained to all dialyzors that under a resource conservation emergency runs will be lengthened and dialysis frequency will decrease.




Title: Re: That flu thing Billp is always trying to talk about
Post by: kitkatz on January 08, 2007, 11:40:10 PM
Yeah, but don't you know the governments in other countries that are overflowing with people want the flu to take some of them? I do think some of the outbreaks are allowed to go on as population control.
Title: Re: That flu thing Billp is always trying to talk about
Post by: Black on January 09, 2007, 08:58:14 AM
One way of getting across the impact the next pandemic may have, is to look at the flu pandemic of 1918.

http://virus.stanford.edu/uda/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu

My father was born in 1918.  Because his mother had been pregnant, his family had been and was kept in quarantine on their rural farm and no one was infected.  My grandmother guarded the farm with a gun and no one was allowed near the house, with the exception of the midwife.  His father, my grandfather, lived with his in-laws for many months.  He worked with the local country doctor going from house to house caring for the sick and digging the graves and burying the dead.  Two of his brothers-in-law died.  He never got sick and attributed his survival to following sterile procedures as much as possible, wearing a face covering, boiling his clothes when he undressed and bathed outside everyday, and using Listerine to disinfect his hands and gargle as he left every house.  How much all of that helped no one knows, but he was convinced those things saved his life.

He would visit the family about once a week but would keep the horse and wagon far enough away that they had to yell to each other.  He would have them bring food out to about the halfway point and after they returned to the house he would pick it up and carry it back to the wagon.  The family worked the farm for many weeks w/o him and kept themselves well, and all of them fed.

Can you imagine the difference now with modern worldwide transportation and the crowds we encounter on a daily basis?  The transmission would happen before anyone knew they were sick, and could circle the globe in 24 hours.

Unless we can live like my father's family lived, totally isolated and totally self-sufficient, we will be at risk and the more contact we have, the higher the risk will be.

As Bill pointed out, people on dialysis will be at far greater risk by having to go to the clinic, or because their clinic will be closed.  As we saw with Katrina, the actual cause of death may be an indirect result of the catastrophe.  The old, the young, and the chronicall ill died from numerous things other than high winds and high water.  In a pandemic the flu may not be the greatest thing we have to fear and be prepare to handle.
Title: Re: That flu thing Billp is always trying to talk about
Post by: Bill Peckham on January 09, 2007, 09:05:37 PM
Nothing makes an impression more than a direct family history - that was an interesting post Black. I talked to one doctor here in Seattle who was an Army company doctor in I think 1957 which was an echo pandemic of the 1918 H1N1 flu bug. He related his horror having to deal with healthy, robust young recruits who would present with a cough in the morning and be dead by night. The experience, as you can imagine, left a lasting impression.

I know no individual can prepare for every possible thing that could happen but part of what I am saying is that be sure you take a look at this one for yourself, I do not think it is trending in our favor. Plus it is more serious for people on dialysis so I think we dialyzors should treat it more seriously.

But I understand there is something to be said for living in the moment and enjoying the day. I live in the moment, I want to live for another 30 years but I don't want to really contemplate 30 more years of CKD5 treatment. I like to travel because I love the moments. Living in the moment is good but before we get all caught up in the moment lets take a moment and make sure we pick our habits and while we're at it why not pick good habits? Habits such as:

I for one am in favor of blunt sober assessments and if I were starting dialysis today I would want to know that federal emergency response plans expect that you should be able to be self sufficient for a week and home dialysis offers that possibility. In my view incenter dialyzors have deligated the responsibility of preparedness to the dialysis provider but nature has a way of making fools out of planners and public health officials. Home dialysis is another good habit. There are allot of reasons to dialyze at home one of which is preparedness.

But hey why worry it is just another Severe Medical Condition. But can you think of another Severe Medical Condition that would happen to every dialyzor at the same time  and impact the actual provision of dialysis?  Black said it and I agree "In a pandemic the flu may not be the greatest thing we have to fear and be prepare to handle." What else is like this? This is the equivalent of an Earth Destroying Asteroid to people on dialysis. Bird Flu is an asteroid that would distroy planet Renal. That is a disturbing image but I think it is apt right now. However if we have a couple years I think there is allot we could put in place. We are not helpless. We are the same stock as Blacks grandparents. We just need to remember a few things.
Title: Re: That flu thing Billp is always trying to talk about
Post by: Bill Peckham on January 09, 2007, 09:15:35 PM
Yeah, but don't you know the governments in other countries that are overflowing with people want the flu to take some of them? I do think some of the outbreaks are allowed to go on as population control.
I personally would like it if there was an elite controlling everything especially if the Queen of England ran the operation. Then we would live in a provably bizarre world rather than a world that just seems bizarre.

There is another explanation that I've heard, the Gaea theory. In this the Earth and all its lifeforms are a single organism - cast in the role as the virus are we humans, which then makes Bird Flu Gaea's antibodies.

Where's the you just blew my mind emoticon?
Title: Re: That flu thing Billp is always trying to talk about
Post by: Zach on January 09, 2007, 09:23:01 PM
Hey Emoticon, pass the weed.
Title: Re: That flu thing Billp is always trying to talk about
Post by: kitkatz on January 09, 2007, 09:42:48 PM
I need some of whatever you have been smoking!
Title: Re: That flu thing Billp is always trying to talk about
Post by: Bill Peckham on January 10, 2007, 10:32:38 AM
I guess having one out three respondents thinking I'm smoking pot is better than my Mom thinking I'm smoking crack, so I must be making some progress. However, I think it is pretty lame to invite me to post on this topic of acute relevance to dialyzors only have the thread moved to the circular can of off topic posts.
Title: Re: That flu thing Billp is always trying to talk about
Post by: jbeany on January 10, 2007, 11:11:53 AM
Are you starting to feel like the sheriff in Jaws, running up and down the beach yelling "Shark! Shark!" while everyone just keeps swimming?

Even when the lessons are illustrated in technicolor on CNN, we still don't learn much, I'm afraid.  Anyone who thinks the government is capable of taking care of its citizens in a real emergency slept through all of Katrina.  Heck, I've got neighbors who don't have the sense to prepare for a snow storm with a power outage and I live in northern Michigan, where the only real question about bad weather is not "if?" it's "how often?"

I asked at my center what they would do in a real weather emergency.  I didn't get much of an answer.  My center does have an independent power generator, but there aren't any concrete plans for transporting either the crew or the patients during a long term storm.  We got info packets on what to eat, and how to cut your fluid intake even more if you get snowed in - but I could have figured that out without the booklet.  In a real disaster, like a terror attack, a massive storm, or the flu pandemic you're talking about on here, the majority of patients at my center probably wouldn't survive.
Title: Re: That flu thing Billp is always trying to talk about
Post by: Bill Peckham on January 10, 2007, 11:16:39 AM
Brody: You're gonna need a bigger boat.
Title: Re: That flu thing Billp is always trying to talk about
Post by: angieskidney on January 11, 2007, 02:27:52 AM
Definately scarey and makes you think beyond our own little world
Title: Re: That flu thing Billp is always trying to talk about
Post by: Epoman on January 11, 2007, 02:39:34 AM
I guess having one out three respondents thinking I'm smoking pot is better than my Mom thinking I'm smoking crack, so I must be making some progress. However, I think it is pretty lame to invite me to post on this topic of acute relevance to dialyzors only have the thread moved to the circular can of off topic posts.

Topic moved back to "Dialysis General Discussion" since it is relevant to dialysis patients. Happy? - Epoman, Owner/Admin

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I personally would like it if there was an elite controlling everything especially if the Queen of England ran the operation. Then we would live in a provably bizarre world rather than a world that just seems bizarre.

There is another explanation that I've heard, the Gaea theory. In this the Earth and all its lifeforms are a single organism - cast in the role as the virus are we humans, which then makes Bird Flu Gaea's antibodies.

Where's the you just blew my mind emoticon?

Damn, Bill... PUFF, PUFF, PASS. Remember that, ok? Or put down the WHACKY TABACKY.

- Epoman
Title: Re: That flu thing Billp is always trying to talk about
Post by: Zach on January 11, 2007, 04:21:11 AM
I guess having one out three respondents thinking I'm smoking pot i...

I didn't mean the topic and its ramifications to us are not important.  At some point I'll post my thoughts, but as an answer to your question, "Where's the you just blew my mind emoticon?"  Emoticon?  That is why I need some weed.
Title: Re: That flu thing Billp is always trying to talk about
Post by: Bill Peckham on January 11, 2007, 06:42:13 AM
I guess having one out three respondents thinking I'm smoking pot i...

I didn't mean the topic and its ramifications to us are not important.  At some point I'll post my thoughts, but as an answer to your question, "Where's the you just blew my mind emoticon?"  Emoticon?  That is why I need some weed.
OK, I get it. Thanks for moving this back Epoman.
Title: Re: That flu thing Billp is always trying to talk about
Post by: Rerun on February 09, 2007, 08:59:38 AM
As dialysis patients we need to realize that in 1918 and 1957 we would have been dead long before the flu.  We are living on "frosting" people and they are NOT going to try and save us when they need to take care of themselves and their families.  I'm talkling about he dialysis center workers and I don't blame them.

I'm living each day on "borrowed time" and if the flu hits I don't want to live through it. 

Dialysis patients need to take the seat at the back of the bus in a disaster.

If we were all on a big ship and it was sinking should the dialysis patients be put on a Life boat first?  Hell NO!  It is still survival of the fittest when it comes down to the wire.

Just my  :twocents;
Title: Re: That flu thing Billp is always trying to talk about
Post by: Sluff on February 09, 2007, 09:54:12 AM
You are exactly right Rerun..how did you get so smart?
Title: Re: That flu thing Billp is always trying to talk about
Post by: stauffenberg on February 09, 2007, 10:31:00 AM
The problem is not just with bird flu, but even with a potential return of the plague and the Spanish influenza virus of 1918-1919 (both of which scientists are now admitting they may not yet understand), or with the worldwide spread of other deadly viruses, such as Marburg virus, Ebola, etc.  It is not even known exactly what causes these to spread: some theorize the Spanish flu incubated and spread because of the concentration of 4 million men living in the filthy trenches of the Western front and then being sent back to their home countries, but no one is certain; the theory that plague was spread by rat fleas is now coming into doubt after having been treated as a certainty for many years.  So if we don't know how these viruses spread, how can we stop them?  In Eastern Europe in the 18th century there was a line called the "cordon sanitaire" where people and goods crossing into the West from plague infected areas in Russia and the Ottoman Empire were inspected, but this was not very effective, and with today's easy airline travel, there is no way to prevent virulent viruses from becoming pandemics.

Since all people on dialysis have weak immune systems, and since these viruses spread best in settings where people are regularly crowded together, such as monasteries, army barracks, hospitals, or dialysis centers, there would be little hope for people needing in-center hemodialysis to survive.  Add to this the problem that, with a serious global pandemic, there could be a general collapse of the economy, social services, and even organized government, such as occurred during the worst of the plague in Europe, when perhaps a third of the population died in a short time span, and you can see that maintaining hemodialysis centers for the small minority of the population needing it would be a very low priority for the desperate governments struggling to keep the general population from extinction.

But why not worry about the possibility of a giant meteor striking the Earth and filling the atmosphere with enough dust to block the sun and kill off all vegetation?  This is what some scientists think destroyed the dinosaurs, and we are just as helpless against this threat as the dinosaurs were.  The bottom line is that in life you should worry about those problems you can control, not those cosmic catastrophes you can't, and there are many more immediate threats to the life of a dialysis patient than the plague, bird flu, or a giant meteor. 
Title: Re: That flu thing Billp is always trying to talk about
Post by: BigSky on February 09, 2007, 10:48:31 AM


If we were all on a big ship and it was sinking should the dialysis patients be put on a Life boat first?  Hell NO!  It is still survival of the fittest when it comes down to the wire.

Just my  :twocents;

So does that mean women and children are not first ;D ;)

 :beer1;
Title: Re: That flu thing Billp is always trying to talk about
Post by: angela515 on February 09, 2007, 01:52:54 PM
So because people on dialysis have weak to no immune systems they should be left behind... is this the same for transplant patients as well? We are on immunosupressives... so we also have low immune systems if any,
Title: Re: That flu thing Billp is always trying to talk about
Post by: Bill Peckham on February 09, 2007, 03:45:53 PM
I need hope. I could not go on without hope. So what you ask is my vision? I say it should be our finest hour. Are you prepared to demand more services, resources so you can be kept alive? Or are you prepared to stand up, relieve staff and dialyze each other? Our staff will need to care for their families who may be sick, their kids who are home from school or yes, the wider community.

Of course some would stand with us but shouldn’t we dialyzors be prepared to be the answer? Shouldn’t those dialyzors who are able bodied prepare to be the answer? Shouldn't caregivers consider stepping into the breach?

It most likely will not happen in the next two years but what would we want to have in place if it struck in 2009? In 2012?

The renal industry, the professional organizations, the partners and the coalitions must take this threat seriously and on its own terms. It is not like an earthquake or an ice storm as bad as those can be. We will need new thinking to do our best.

It is unlikely. Pandemic flu is unlikely today but there is a chance. How could we justify being so flat footed? If it were to hit today or in a year it would be the equivalent to stauffenberg's meteor - the bird flu meteor would destroy planet renal. The first step is admitting you have a problem. The first solution is to show leadership.

We need transparent planning, renal industry planning that is pandemic specific. And my answer is the dialyzors. The dialyzors are the solution, we are not the problem. You want dialysis, you give dialysis. I call for a dialyzor militia and the constitutional right to cannulate bare arms.
Title: Re: That flu thing Billp is always trying to talk about
Post by: Bill Peckham on March 17, 2007, 04:40:32 PM
Get Informed. Be Prepared.
U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, May 2006

"While the Federal Government will use all resources at its disposal to prepare for and respond to an influenza pandemic, it cannot do the job alone. This effort requires the full participation of and coordination by all levels of government and all segments of society... perhaps most important, addressing the challenge will require active participation by individual citizens in each community across our Nation."
George W. Bush, President
United States of America

"Pandemics are global in nature, but their impact is local. When the next pandemic strikes, as it surely will, it is likely to touch the lives of every individual, family, and community. Our task is to make sure that when this happens, we will be a Nation prepared."
Michael O. Leavitt, Secretary
U.S. Department of Health and Human Services

http://www.pandemicflu.gov/plan/individual/familyguide.html
The US government’s pandemic preparedness Guide for Individuals and Families specifically instructs dialyzors:
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If you receive ongoing medical care such as dialysis, chemotherapy, or other therapies, talk with your health care provider about plans to continue care during a pandemic.

Therefore it is our job to initiate the conversation. Here is what I think should be done if we were suddenly faced with a pandemic emergency based on the information that is currently available. If there was a pandemic in the next two years providers would have to make decisions in the absence of clear guidance from the CDC, CMS or the Renal Networks. In two years time the renal community should be able to provide guidance on a mitigation strategy but until that happens this is what I think should happen at the unit level.

Normal operations at Dialysis Unit X:
18 stations, three patient shifts/day, 108 patients, all patients dialyze for 4 hours 3 days a week. Normal hours are 6AM to 11PM: M,T,W,Th,F,S. Staff to patient ratio: 1 to 3. Stations turn every 5 hours. First on of first shift is 6:30 AM. Last on of third shift 18:00.

First shift ons from 6:30 to 8:00; offs from 10:30 to 12:00
Second shift ons from 11:30 to 13:00; offs from 15:30 to 17:00
Third shift ons from 16:30 to 18:00; offs from 20:30 to 22:00

FTEs = 18 (Normal operations require the equivalent of eighteen full time employees)

Event
CDC has declared a category five pandemic:

    * Avian influenza is spreading locally
    * Schools are closed
    * Projected duration 12 weeks.

Nine staff are available/willing/need to work: 50% operational capacity

Projected operation utilizing pandemic mitigation strategy providing minimum dialysis dose: strategy provides 66% of dialysis dose provided under normal operations.
18 stations, two patient shifts/day, 108 patients, all patients dialyze for 6 hours 2 days a week. Hours are 5:00 to 24:00. Staff to patient ratio: 1 to 6. First shift begins at 6:00 all first shift patients have left unit by 14:30. Second shift begins at 15:00 all second shift patients have left unit by 23:00.

Three staff work entire day – 18 hour shift. Staff are designated Work Group (WG) A, B & C.

    * MWF first shift patients are now M/Th first shift staffed by WG_A.
    * MWF second shift patients are now M/Th second shift staffed by WG_A
    * TThS first shift patients are now T/F first shift staffed by WG_B
    * TThS second shift patients are now T/F second shift staffed by WG_B
    * MWF third shift patients are now W/S first shift staffed by WG_C
    * TThS third shift patients are now W/S second shift staffed by WG_C

Patients and staff should call in every day, at specified time, to touch base, report any symptoms so that exposure or spread can be tracked and changes to schedule can be accommodated.

Pandemic Influenza Mitigation Benefits of strategy
Resource conservation – strategy conserves supplies and transportation resources. Limits spread of illness if one member of shift is infectious prior to onset of symptoms because patient to patient contact limited. Of six patient groups and three staff groups contact among groups is limited. Worker commute reduced to twice/week (two 19 hour shifts). Patient transportation reduced by a third. Continuity of care – same staff caring for patient group.

Issues to Resolve
Availability/use of anti-virals?
If member of patient household has flu what should be done?
If patient presents with symptoms what should be done?
If patient is confirmed with symptoms what should be done?
How should other non-pharmaceutical interventions be used? e.g. masks, humidifiers, etc?
Transportation issues?
Title: Re: That flu thing Billp is always trying to talk about
Post by: Bill Peckham on November 04, 2007, 03:00:29 PM
There is now online a four page PDF
PANDEMIC FLU PLANNING CHECKLIST FOR INDIVIDUALS WITH CHRONIC KIDNEY DIsEASE AND THEIR FAMILIES

http://kcercoalition.com/pdf/PANDEMICFLUPLANNINGCHECKLIST.pdf

Take a look at it - I'd be interested in your reactions. The document suggest a minimum stockpile of 2 weeks, personally I have two months (including home dialysis supplies). I was on the subcommittee that helped to prepare this but they did not take one suggestion that I thought made preparing much easier - stockpile Coast Guard approved emergency rations - long shelf life, low sodium.

There is going to be a face to face meeting here in Seattle on Thursday Kidney Community Emergency Response pandemic preparedness team. I've been participating - I hope to share my thoughts over the next couple months.

The threat is real, preparation will help. Ask questions - demand answers.
Title: Re: That flu thing Billp is always trying to talk about
Post by: okarol on November 20, 2007, 03:47:15 PM
THE PANDEMIC VACCINE PUZZLE
A seven-part series on the chances for immunizing the world against pandemic flu

Maryn McKenna * Contributing Writer

Editor's note: This article was originally published in Center for Infectious Disease Research & Policy (CIDRAP) News as a seven-part series running from October 25 through November 2, 2007. It investigates the prospects for development of vaccines to head off the threat of an influenza pandemic posed by the H5N1 avian influenza virus. The series puts advances in vaccine technology in perspective by illuminating the formidable barriers to producing an effective and widely usable vaccine in a short time frame.

Part 1: Flu research: a legacy of neglect
Part 2: Vaccine production capacity falls far short
Part 3: H5N1 poses major immunologic challenges
Part 4: The promise and problems of adjuvants
Part 5: What role for prepandemic vaccination?
Part 6: Looking to novel vaccine technologies
Part 7: Time for a vaccine 'Manhattan Project'?
Bibliography


Part 1: Flu research: a legacy of neglect

It has been 10 years since the H5N1 strain of avian influenza first grabbed international attention by causing the death of a Hong Kong 3-year-old, the novel virus's first known human casualty (see Bibliography: CDC 1997). In the decade since, the virus has torn across the globe, causing 332 known human illnesses and 204 deaths in 12 countries, according to the World Health Organization (WHO), as well as the deaths or preventive slaughter of hundreds of millions of birds.

In that time, avian flu and the potential human pandemic it could cause have waxed and waned in public attention. Scientific attention to the H5N1 threat, though, has never wavered. Much of that attention has focused on finding a vaccine against H5N1, "the single most important public health tool for decreasing the morbidity, mortality and economic effects of pandemic influenza," according to Dr. Gregory Poland, director of the Mayo Clinic's Vaccine Research Group in Rochester, Minn. (see Bibliography: Poland 2006).

But after almost a decade of research, a safe, effective, affordable, and abundant vaccine against H5N1 flu remains disappointingly out of reach. The search for a human avian-flu vaccine that could be developed and delivered in time to short-circuit a pandemic has been dogged by multiple obstacles across many sectors. They include patchy scientific knowledge, sparse government funding, thin manufacturing and packaging capability, and restrictive regulatory structures—along with the wily immunology of the H5N1 virus itself.

Despite recent encouraging news from several clinical trials, the scientific—and financial and political—hurdles to producing a widely deployable vaccine remain dauntingly high. As the WHO admitted in its Global Pandemic Influenza Action Plan, published last year, "At the present time, if an influenza pandemic were to occur, the potential vaccine supply would fall several billion doses short of the amount needed to provide protection to the global population" (see Bibliography: WHO 2006).

A chronic low priority
The search for a pandemic vaccine was hobbled from the start by the relatively low priority placed on influenza research before the 1997 Hong Kong outbreak. Almost 80 years had passed since the 1918 pandemic, an outbreak that was globally traumatic but was largely, and strangely, overlooked by historians of the period (see Bibliography: Crosby 1989). For most, "pandemic" would have evoked not the estimated 100 million dead of 1918 but the approximately 1 million worldwide deaths in 1968-69, the mildest pandemic since modern records began—or the failed pandemic alarm sounded in 1976 after swine flu cases were discovered in Fort Dix, N.J., and the rash of adverse events triggered by the emergency vaccination campaign that followed.

As a public health threat, flu had faded from federal, commercial, and thus public attention. A 1985 Institute of Medicine (IOM) report, "New Vaccine Development" (updated in 2000 as "Vaccines for the 21st Century") urged fresh focus on flu-vaccine research but, coming as concern over AIDS began to crest, attracted no additional investment to flu (see Bibliography: IOM 1985, IOM 2000). Consumption of seasonal flu vaccine was relatively low: Americans received 54.9 million doses in 1995, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), and an additional 16.6 million were returned unused to manufacturers (see Bibliography: Santoli 2007). Lacking a strong public appetite for seasonal flu vaccine, and thus a reliable market, flu-vaccine manufacturers saw no reason to improve on the cumbersome egg-based production technology that had been used since the 1950s.

"Influenza has not been treated with the degree of medical attention that the disease warrants," Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), warned in a 2006 commentary (see Bibliography: Fauci 2006). "There is not an adequate baseline of preparedness in the United States to deal with the potential of pandemic influenza."

Gaps in the knowledge base
Recent assessments by US and European experts have conceded that flu research still lags. A blue-ribbon panel convened last year by the NIAID recommended in a June 2007 report that "eight specific aspects of influenza research in which there are substantial gaps in knowledge" receive immediate attention. The areas included clinical and immune responses to flu, flu epidemiology, animal models for flu research, antivirals, diagnostic assays, and, notably, vaccines, of which the group said: "Development of improved influenza vaccines is a key priority for the control of both seasonal and pandemic influenza" (see Bibliography: NIH 2007).

Echoing that report, the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control's technical advisory groups on human H5N1 vaccines warned in August that 10 essential research questions must be answered before a vaccine can be achieved. The questions' very basic nature—How much antigen should a vaccine contain? How many doses should be given? How long does vaccine protection last?—suggest how far flu-vaccine science has yet to go (see Bibliography: European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control 2007: Technical report).

Funding: A starvation diet
The historical low profile of flu research translated into a chronic lack of investment. For most of the past decade, as well as many years before that, the field was starved for money. In 2001—after the 1997 outbreak, but before H5N1 began its global spread—the NIH's entire flu-research budget was $20.6 million, with $14.9 million of that in NIAID activities (see Bibliography: NIAID 2007). Funding stayed stagnant until the White House issued the National Strategy for Pandemic Influenza in November 2005 and called for $7.1 billion to be appropriated for flu. As of February, when the fiscal year 2007 budget was finalized, $5.3 billion had been appropriated overall, and NIH's flu research budget had been raised to $222 million (see Bibliography: NIH 2007).

Those appropriations have gone to fund a wide array of pandemic-preparation tasks, from improving state and local planning to supporting antiviral research (see Bibliography: Trust for America's Health 2007). Strictly within the vaccine realm, funds have been divided among research, production, and purchase of existing vaccines for the national stockpile. As of May 2007, Congress had given the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) $5.6 billion for pandemic preparedness; HHS has allocated $3.2 billion of that to expanding vaccine capacity. So far the agency has committed $1.5 billion of those funds, including $1 billion for research into alternative production methods such as cell culture, $147 million for research on low-dose vaccines, and $133 million for retrofitting existing plants to improve manufacturing capacity (see Bibliography: HHS 2007; Trust for America's Health 2007).

"We are finally starting to do the right thing, because money is being put in," Poland said, "but we are late. We are really playing catch-up" (see Bibliography: Poland 2007).

For the two years since federal money began flowing, scientific and public health groups have begged the administration to allocate more. In November 2005, May 2006, and again in April and June 2007, the Working Group on Pandemic Influenza Preparedness—an umbrella organization for 15 medical and science societies—unsuccessfully urged members of Congress to increase funding for the whole panoply of pandemic preparation, including vaccine research and development (see Bibliography: Working Group for Pandemic Influenza Preparedness 2005, 2006, 2007).

US leads other countries
Late though the United States may have been in funding vaccine research, it nonetheless outshines other countries. "Government officials in the five Western European countries where influenza vaccine production facilities are located . . . have provided virtually no public funding to support H5N1 vaccine trials," David Fedson, MD, wrote this summer in the Journal of Public Health Policy. "Germany is the sole exception, providing modest support for a trial of one company's vaccine" (see Bibliography: Fedson and Dunnill 2007: Commentary). Fedson is a retired academic and vaccine-industry executive who has published critical analyses of pandemic-vaccine planning in a number of journals.

There is widespread fear in the research community that the money is simply not enough.

"The political inertia is surprising, particularly as politicians, if and when a pandemic eventuates, will be asked why, despite repeated warnings, they did not take appropriate action in time," Lars Haaheim of the University of Bergen said in a stinging May article in Influenza and Other Respiratory Diseases. "With very few exceptions, the academia, research establishments and vaccine industry [have] had to settle for meagre and sometimes no public support at all" (see Bibliography: Haaheim 2007).

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Part 2: Vaccine production capacity falls far short

The difficult reality is that, even if influenza science were perfect and research funding were abundant, achieving a widely deployable pandemic vaccine is currently out of reach. Chief among the reasons: The world lacks the manufacturing capacity to make enough vaccine to matter.

Food and Drug Administration (FDA) planners have accepted that, absent rapid changes in current flu-vaccine manufacturing techniques, delivering the earliest doses of a vaccine tuned to a newly emerged pandemic strain would take a minimum of 4 months (see Bibliography: Goodman 2006). A vaccine-industry scenario, described in August in the journal BioPharm International, goes out 6 months: 3 to 4 months to generate a seed strain, 4 to 6 weeks of manufacturing set-up, and 18 weeks of production, including 2 to 3 weeks of quality assurance and regulatory approval—all adding up to a vaccine product that would arrive roughly in time for the pandemic's second wave but long after the first patients had recovered or died (see Bibliography: Thomas 2007).

But the more difficult obstacle is not the time needed to produce vaccine—which newer technologies such as cell culture could shorten to some degree—but the amount of vaccine needed. Despite years of work, the grave mismatch between predicted demand and likely supply has yet to be solved.

The World Health Organization's (WHO's) own best-case analysis, published in the agency's 2006 "Global Pandemic Influenza Action Plan to Increase Vaccine Supply," and updated in an Oct. 23, 2007, press release, breaks down the situation this way. In 2006, global manufacturing capacity for seasonal flu vaccine was 350 million doses per year of trivalent vaccine (comprising one 15-microgram [mcg] dose of each of three flu strains' antigens). This year, according to the WHO, capacity could rise as high as 565 million doses, a total that incorporates both actual capacity increases achieved by manufacturers and theoretical capacity that would be created if manufacturing lines ran around the clock for the entire calendar year—something they do not do for seasonal flu-vaccine production. Given that a pandemic vaccine would be aimed at a single strain rather than three, global capacity could thus rise as high as 1.5 billion doses. But a pandemic vaccine would need to be given twice, because, unlike with seasonal flu, there would have been no prior exposure to the novel strain. So absent the use of adjuvants to stretch limited antigen supplies, industry could produce at best enough vaccine for 750 million people, far short of the amount needed to cover the world's 6.7 billion inhabitants (see Bibliography: WHO 2006: Global influenza action plan; WHO 2007: Projected supply of pandemic influenza vaccine; Palkonyay 2007).

A vaccine embargo?
The WHO analysis hides a number of highly optimistic assumptions, including zero glitches in production and 100% cooperation by regulators. But the greatest assumption may be that the newly produced pandemic vaccine would be distributed equitably to all comers around the globe. It is more likely that vaccine would never leave the countries where it is produced.

Seven hundred and fifty million "is fewer than the number of people that live in the nine countries that produce 85% of the world's supply of flu vaccine," said David Fedson, MD, a retired academic and vaccine-industry executive who has published critical analyses of pandemic-vaccine planning. "Which means that, if you live outside of a vaccine-producing country—whether that means Indonesia or Sweden or Spain—you get nothing" (see Bibliography: Fedson 2007: Author interview).

The nine countries—France, Germany, Italy, The Netherlands, Switzerland, the United Kingdom, the United States, Canada, and Australia—trade vaccine across borders but are unlikely to keep doing so in a pandemic, he added: "In 2000, a total of six western European companies distributed 66 million doses of vaccine to 18 western European countries. Only 42% of these doses were distributed within the countries that produced them; the remaining 58% were exported to other western European countries. For the rest of the world, about 40% of the doses used in central and eastern Europe, 60% of the doses used in the western Pacific and Southeast Asia, and virtually 100% of the doses used in Latin America, the eastern Mediterranean, and Africa were imported from one or more of the nine vaccine-producing developed countries" (see Bibliography: Fedson 2003).

In one example of the supply-demand mismatch, the United States plans to secure enough pandemic vaccine to deliver two doses to all 300 million of its residents (see Bibliography: FDA 2007: Committee meeting transcript). But current US manufacturing capacity tops out at 150 million 15-mcg doses, a total that is expected to rise to 250 million when a new Sanofi Pasteur plant comes online in 2008 (see Bibliography: Sanofi Pasteur 2007), but that still falls far short of the number the federal government hopes to deploy. And those hoped-for 600 million doses do not include the 40 million destined for the US pandemic stockpile that must be replaced periodically as flu strains mutate or the vaccine expires (see Bibliography: Riley 2007).

The role of seasonal flu vaccine demand
The WHO action plan avers that manufacturers will significantly expand production capacity by 2012, largely because demand for seasonal flu vaccine will rise—but it offers no evidence that demand can be stimulated to levels that will persuade manufacturers to invest (see Bibliography: WHO 2006: Global pandemic influenza action plan). In the United States, for instance, the amount of vaccine manufactured has risen nearly every year, but so too has the amount returned to manufacturers unused. In the 2006-07 season, manufacturers selling to the US market delivered 120.9 million doses, the highest on record; they received back 18.4 million unused doses, also a record (see Bibliography: Santoli 2007).

The WHO plan asks countries that do not now use seasonal flu vaccine to launch new seasonal vaccination campaigns as a way of stimulating demand. It also asks countries with existing vaccination programs to increase vaccine use, so that 75% of those for whom vaccination is recommended are taking the shot. Both recommendations may be unrealistic: The United States, which uses more vaccine than any other nation, has never reached 75% uptake even among groups that are urged to take the shot because they are at high risk for flu complications. In the 2005-06 flu season, according to CDC data published in September, the highest acceptance of seasonal flu shots—69.3%—was among adults older than 64, who are considered "high risk" because of their age. Fifty- to 64-year-olds who are at high risk because of chronic medical conditions had a vaccination rate of 48.4%; only 32.3% of those in the same age range who had no high-risk conditions took the flu shot, and only 18.3% of healthy adults between 18 and 50 did so (see Bibliography: CDC 2007).

"I have never believed that boosting seasonal flu-vaccine demand was the way to prepare for pandemic flu," said Michael Osterholm, PhD, MPH, director of the University of Minnesota Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP), which publishes CIDRAP News, and of the National Institutes of Health (NIH)–funded Minnesota Center of Excellence for Influenza Research and Surveillance. "That economic model doesn't work on its own and it has no scalability to provide flu vaccine for the rest of the world" (see Bibliography: Osterholm 2007).

Little incentive to build
Many experts have warned that the only way to expand flu-vaccine manufacturing capacity is to get governments to pay for it. In its 2004 "Consultation on priority public health interventions before and during an influenza pandemic," the WHO cautioned: "Industry has little incentive to build additional manufacturing capacity, which requires very large long-term investments for an event that occurs only rarely and unpredictably." (See Bibliography: WHO 2004) Last year, Britain's Royal Society added bluntly: "It is not commercially viable for the vaccine industry to commit the necessary resources to scale up production in advance of a pandemic when there is no existing market, the threat of a pandemic may be years away and the risk in any single year may be considered to be low" (see Bibliography: Royal Society 2006).

Creating enough vaccine-manufacturing capacity to protect the world's population is not cheap. The price tag is likely to be at least $2 billion and could rise to $9 billion, according to a WHO estimate (see Bibliography: WHO 2006: Global pandemic influenza action plan). Experts within the vaccine industry say that expecting manufacturers to make the investment asks companies to spend against their own best interest. "In the US market alone by the year 2010 there could be a surplus capacity resulting from 'building for demand' for pandemic preparedness but 'suboptimal utilization' based on significantly lesser demand for seasonal vaccines," an engineer and two strategists from the Danish biotech firm NNE PharmaPlan wrote in the industry journal BioPharm International. "In Europe, Asia and the rest of the world, planned future capacities for 'pandemic preparedness' would have to address how potential surplus capacities can be effectively used in markets where there is little or no demand for seasonal vaccines" (see Bibliography: Thomas 2007).

The United States has already experienced the aftermath of vaccine companies' feeling overextended. Between 1998 and 2002, two of the four companies that then supplied seasonal flu vaccine left the market, citing losses on investment and increased regulatory demands. In the 2000-01 and 2003-04 flu seasons, the country experienced significant shortages of flu vaccine, with long lines, panic buying, price-gouging, and subsequent congressional investigations (see Bibliography: GAO 2001, 2004; Grady 2004).

The same scenario could happen again. "The U.S. will have a serious problem if the pandemic doesn't strike in the next couple of years, because interest will decline and demand will go down again," said Hedwig Kresse, an associate analyst for infectious diseases with the British-based market analysts Datamonitor. "Governments will have to guarantee a certain sales volume to keep [manufacturers] in the market and to keep these capacities up" (see Bibliography: Kresse 2007).

While the US government has taken initial steps to support manufacturers—witness the $133 million given to two manufacturers this past summer to retrofit existing plants and the $1 billion awarded for cell-culture research—much more is needed (see Bibliography: HHS 2006, 2007).

"If we really want to have surge capacity for pandemic vaccine, we have to invest in it like we do our oil reserves, or military reserve capacity," Osterholm said. "The facilities may sit for years before they are utilized. But the analogy is having an airport fire department in case of a plane crash: You hope never to use it, but you invest as though it were a possibility" (see Bibliography: Osterholm 2007).

To be useful, those investments must be made well in advance of when vaccine is needed: The WHO estimates that building and licensing a new vaccine production line takes up to 5 years (see Bibliography: WHO 2004).

What about vials and syringes?
While vaccine manufacturers are likely grateful for the HHS funding, others in the industry say the investment is incomplete—because it does nothing to expand capacity for critical downstream tasks such as bottling and administering completed vaccine.

The "fill-finish" sector—which puts bulk manufactured vaccine into vials or syringes—is not being asked to prepare for any excess capacity, said Jack Lysfjord, vice-president for pharmaceutical consulting in the Valicare division of Robert Bosch Packaging Technology Inc., in Brooklyn Park, Minn., a leading manufacturer of production and fill-finish equipment. "We are talking to some companies, but we are not hearing that they plan to buy twice as much from us in the next five years," he said. "If they want to expand, they should be starting production now" because building an automated filling line can take 2 years (see Bibliography: Bosch 2007).

The same frustration is evident at BD (formerly Becton, Dickinson and Co.), the dominant company in syringe manufacturing.

"Everyone understands that if you don't have vaccine you are dead in the water, but what has not been dealt with is that, if you don't have the syringes and needles, the vaccine doesn't do you any good," said George Goldman, senior director for hypodermics at BD Medical Surgical Systems in Franklin Lakes, N.J. "Six hundred million devices, which is what in theory would be required to vaccinate the US population twice, is a very large volume if you plan for it and an even larger volume if you produce them in a reactive mode. We do not believe the industry is capable of producing that kind of volume in any short period of time under the best of circumstances" (see Bibliography: BD 2007).

Manufacturing 600 million syringes would take 2 years if manufacturers used only their existing excess capacity, Goldman said, and creating a new manufacturing line takes approximately a year.

"We have been working at the federal, state, even the local level to try to make sure this issue is visible," he said. "To date, the results have been underwhelming."

The companies that occupy the end of the vaccine-production process are also experiencing anxiety—on their own behalf and for the pharmaceutical manufacturers who feed product to them—that their operations will be disrupted by the start of a pandemic if they are brought into the process too late.

As a foreign-owned company, with its US unit in Minnesota and headquarters and manufacturing plants in Europe, Bosch feels this acutely. Much of the fill-finish equipment sold out of its US plant undergoes preliminary assembly in Germany, and many of the manufacturers for whom Bosch makes equipment rely on pharmaceutical ingredients or production components sourced from around the world.

"You have to think about every part of the components," Lysfjord said. "The machines, the plants, the chemicals; the stopper, the glass, the aluminum overcast for the top of the vial; the labels. You're not aware of how well-connected the system is until it breaks, and it is going to break big-time."

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Part 3: H5N1 poses major immunologic challenges

Many of the difficulties facing achievement of a pandemic influenza vaccine could not have been anticipated before the pandemic threat arose: They are intrinsic to the H5N1 virus itself.

Some are obvious. Because all flu viruses mutate rapidly, antigenic drift and division into clades, or subgroups, has already rendered some early vaccine candidates less potent against circulating strains (see Bibliography: Smith 2006, Riley 2007). Because this flu virus is highly pathogenic, it must be handled initially in one of a relatively small number of high-biosecurity laboratories (see Bibliography: WHO 2004) and also requires the use of reverse genetics to create a seed strain that will reproduce in eggs. Reverse genetics and the stringent pre-release testing that follows add a minimum of 6 weeks to the vaccine production process (see Bibliography: Wood 2007: Reference viruses). And absent regulatory changes, the resulting seed strain could be considered a genetically modified organism under European Union rules or a select agent under US law, further restricting the laboratories, personnel, and manufacturers who could work with it from then on (see Bibliography: Stephenson 2006: Development and evaluation).

Reverse genetics may be responsible for a phenomenon noted by several researchers: H5N1 does not reproduce well in vitro, a potentially major obstacle for vaccine production because it would greatly lengthen the manufacturing timeline. "Most manufacturers report that yields of antigen from reverse genetics–derived H5N1 viruses are 30-40% of the average of seasonal influenza viruses, reducing the quantity of antigen available for vaccine formulation," Iain Stephenson of University Hospital-Leicester and colleagues wrote last year in Lancet Infectious Diseases (see Bibliography: Stephenson 2006: Development of vaccines).

Vaccines show poor immunogenicity
Furthermore, when candidate vaccines have been produced from them, H5N1 and similar viruses have not done a good job of provoking an immune response. This was noted as early as 1998, when an early attempt to create a vaccine in the wake of the 1997 Hong Kong outbreak used an antigenically similar H5N3 strain—only to find it was poorly immunogenic even at the highest concentration of two 30-microgram (mcg) doses (see Bibliography: Nicholson 2001). There were similarly poor results in 2006 and 2007 trials that used an H5N1 strain isolated from Vietnam in 2004 and modified by reverse genetics (see Bibliography: Bresson 2006, Leroux-Roels 2007): Even at the highest dosage given (two 30-mcg doses), neither trial induced levels of immune protection that would be acceptable to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) or the European Union's Committee for Medicinal Products for Human Use (CHMP).

But the best example of H5N1's poor immunogenicity is the 2006 trial that led to the first FDA licensing of an H5N1 vaccine. The trial, which used the same modified 2004 Vietnam strain as the others, achieved acceptable levels of protection only at the highest amounts given, two doses of 90 mcg each, or 12 times the 15-mcg dose that induces immunity in a seasonal vaccine (see Bibliography: Treanor 2006: Safety and immunogenicity of an inactivated subvirion influenza A [H5N1] vaccine). Even at that dosage, only 54% or 58% of the subjects (by two different measures) exhibited antibody titers that matched FDA and CHMP regulations, compared with the 70% to 90% usually achieved with seasonal vaccine (see Bibliography: CDC 2005).

The trial's investigators acknowledged that the extraordinarily high dose necessary to protect was an unsatisfying result, saying, "The need for a vaccine with a total dose of 180 mcg would pose a considerable barrier to rapid production of a supply that would be adequate to meet the world's requirements should a pandemic occur" (see Bibliography: Treanor 2006: Safety and immunogenicity). Experts who reviewed the data during FDA deliberations on licensure agreed, signaling that they hoped for improved results as research advances. "There are numerous vaccines under development that are potentially better, if you will, than this vaccine. This is an interim vaccine," Norman Baylor, PhD, director of the FDA's Office of Vaccines Research and Review, said during the FDA hearing (see Bibliography: FDA 2007: Committee meeting transcript).

The amount of antigen needed in that vaccine concerns researchers several times over. It is so high that the vaccine would stress the manufacturing system if put into broad production, although regulators at the licensure hearings said the vaccine is intended only for federal stockpiling and not for commercial sale. In addition, they fear the high dose—which at 180 mcg total is four times the total seasonal trivalent dose—could provoke an unusual rate of adverse reactions (see Bibliography: FDA 2007: Committee meeting transcript).

(Regulators may be quietly bracing for adverse publicity as well. Testimony at the same FDA committee meeting indicated that, because of limitations on fill/finish capacity, the 90-mcg vaccine being manufactured for the US stockpile will be packaged in multi-dose vials which, to guard against contamination, will contain the still-controversial preservative thimerosal.)

Immunity hard to measure
The 2006 trial's unsatisfying results highlighted a chronic concern in flu-vaccine research: the lack of reliable correlates of immunity for pandemic vaccines. Given the lack of a vaccine, moderate antiviral resistance, and a case-fatality rate of more than 60%, humans cannot ethically be experimentally exposed to the H5N1 virus. Yet none of the animal models—mice, ferrets, or the recently proposed guinea pigs (see Bibliography: Lowen 2006)—is a perfect substitute. Hence the research community relies instead on measures of human antibody response that are neither uniform across laboratories nor universally agreed to by regulatory bodies.

"I think this is our biggest scientific issue—that we are not sure what the appropriate surrogate for protection is, given the fact we have no ability to challenge [expose humans] and are not likely to," said flu epidemiologist Dr. Arnold Monto of the University of Michigan (see Bibliography: Monto 2007).

In the United States, the FDA-accepted surrogate for immunity in flu-vaccine trials is a hemagglutination-inhibition (HI) antibody assay that returns a post-vaccination titer of more than 1:40 for 70% of those vaccinated (see Bibliography: FDA 2007: Guidance for industry: clinical data needed to support the licensure of seasonal inactivated influenza vaccines). But that measure is known to be imperfect even for seasonal flu: Patients with higher titers have contracted flu, while those with lower post-vaccination titers have apparently been protected (see Bibliography: Poland 2006). Additionally, the HI test appears in the lab to be less sensitive to H5 antibodies than it is to the seasonal strains H1 and H3; a second test, virus microneutralization, appears more sensitive but also has no agreed-upon clinical correlates (see Bibliography: Stephenson 2004). Researchers have resorted to using a 1:40 result as the best available measure of immunologic response, while conceding that it may not indicate actual degrees of protection.

"It's important to understand that this choice of a 1:40 endpoint is not validated in any way as an actual assessment of protection against H5 in humans," Dr. John Treanor of the University of Rochester, principal investigator for the trial that produced the licensed H5 vaccine, said at the FDA licensure hearings. "It might be just as valid to choose a 1:20 or a 1:80 or a 1:10 endpoint. But it's really more a convenient way in order to discriminate responses between groups" (see Bibliography: FDA 2007: Committee meeting transcript).

Unfortunately, HI titer results vary wildly. In two studies, European labs performing the same test for seasonal flu strains returned results that varied from 16- to 128-fold, and for H5N1, labs have achieved different results depending on the source and age of the animal cells used in the assay (see Bibliography: Wood 2007: International standards). The WHO is pursuing international agreement on a standard for H5N1 tests, similar to standards achieved earlier for measles, polio, rubella, and other infectious diseases.

But the problem with finding correlates of immunity goes further. The HI test may not return reliable results for vaccines that provoke types of immunity other than antibody response. That makes it an unreliable measure for the effectiveness of two promising alternative classes of vaccines: live-attenuated vaccines, which have the potential to generate immunity against multiple strains of flu, and inactivated adjuvanted vaccines (those containing a chemical immune-system stimulant), which could help solve the supply bottleneck by allowing much smaller amounts of antigen to be dispensed in each vaccine dose (see Bibliography: Subbarao 2007, Wood 2007: Author interview).

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Part 4: The promise and problems of adjuvants

Adjuvanted vaccines appear to hold the greatest promise for solving the grave supply-demand imbalance in pandemic influenza vaccine development. They come with obstacles—immunologic, regulatory, and commercial—but they also have generated more excitement than any other type of vaccine thus far.

In an example of the hope being hung on adjuvants, the WHO last week issued a statement declaring that the pandemic vaccine supply is "sharply" increasing and forecasting that annual manufacturing capacity will rise to 4.5 billion two-dose courses by 2010 (see Bibliography: WHO 2007: Projected supply). The forecast is based on the expectation that flu vaccines made in 2010 will include an adjuvant permitting the use of just one-eighth of current vaccines' antigen content. (Adjuvants are chemicals that are incorporated in some vaccines to improve response to the vaccines' active ingredient. Adjuvants make it possible to reduce the dose of antigen in a vaccine without dampening the immune response.)

"We have H5N1 to thank for opening up the flu research field, which was absolutely creeping along," said Dr. Arnold Monto, a flu epidemiologist at the University of Michigan, who has long research experience with live-attenuated vaccine. "We've always known that flu vaccine was good, but not great—not a 21st century vaccine with 95% protection—but there was a feeling that it was good enough. But H5N1 changed the risk-benefit ratio so that we are willing for instance to work with adjuvants, which may have theoretical risks but certainly may well afford tangible benefits. We're going to learn a whole lot about the immunology of protection that we haven't learned in the past" (see Bibliography: Monto 2007).

While adjuvants hold the greatest promise for dose-sparing, they also provoke trepidation because they are by definition immune-system activators. While many have been tested over the years, few have entered the market, because they proved too reactogenic to be acceptable to consumers or safe. Only one set of adjuvants, aluminum salts or alum (aluminum hydroxide, aluminum phosphate, and potassium aluminum sulfate), is licensed in the United States. Aluminum adjuvants and MF59, an oil-in-water emulsion that contains squalene (an oil found in some fish oils), are licensed in Europe (see Bibliography: Petrovsky 2007).

No adjuvanted flu vaccine is licensed in the United States—a notable oversight since federal health authorities urged such a vaccine be investigated as a preparedness measure after the pandemic of 1957 (see Bibliography: Strikas 2005). Fifty years later, the need to seek regulatory approval for novel components in adjuvanted pandemic vaccines could prove a barrier to rapid market entry of formulas that look promising.

Adjuvants old and new
Early hopes for an adjuvanted H5N1 vaccine focused on alum, because it is well-understood and widely licensed, but those formulas have proved disappointing. A phase 1 study of alum-adjuvanted vaccine made by the Chinese company Sinovac Biotech achieved acceptable levels of protection using two doses of only 10 micrograms (mcg) of flu antigen—but that formula was based on an inactivated whole virus, a flu-vaccine type that is licensed in the European Union but not currently used in the United States (see Bibliography: Lin 2006).

Two other alum-adjuvanted vaccines that used whole viruses have shown some promise for antigen sparing. At a February 2007 World Health Organization (WHO) meeting, Norbert Hehme of GlaxoSmithKline Biologicals reported that a regimen of two 15-mcg doses met EU criteria for immune response (see Bibliography: Hehme 2007). And in May, Hungarian investigators reported that they had achieved an acceptable immune response in a small study using a formula (based on a seasonal vaccine already licensed in the EU) containing a single dose of only 6 mcg (see Bibliography: Vajo 2007). Two alum-adjuvanted vaccines that used the split-virus formulation common in the United States have reported levels of immune response acceptable to regulators at two doses of 45 mcg (see Bibliography: Keitel 2007) or 30 mcg (see Bibliography: Bresson 2006). But those levels of antigen are so high that deployment of those vaccines would not allow significant dose-sparing.

The most provocative news in dose-sparing has come in the past several months. In August, scientists working with a GlaxoSmithKline formula published a trial of a two-dose regimen of an inactivated split-virus vaccine adjuvanted with a proprietary oil-in-water emulsion; after the second injection, even the lowest dose of 3.8 mcg exceeded EU criteria for immune response (see Bibliography: Leroux-Roels 2007). And in September, Sanofi Pasteur reported in a press release that an inactivated vaccine adjuvanted with the company's own proprietary formula induced EU-accepted levels of protection after two doses of 1.9 mcg.

Regulatory barriers loom
Like many other aspects of pandemic planning, adjuvants' ability to solve some of the challenges of preparedness will depend on how rapidly a pandemic arrives. That is because the most promising vaccines rely on formulas that have not yet been licensed in the United States. The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has indicated that pandemic vaccines made in the same manner as an already-licensed seasonal vaccine may be treated only as a "strain change," in an accelerated approval process by which components are swapped out of existing seasonal flu vaccines each spring. But since there are no adjuvanted seasonal flu vaccines currently licensed in the United States, antigen-sparing pandemic vaccines may require a full Biologics License Application—the complete portfolio of testing and data, on both the product and the manufacturing facility, that is demanded of any new drug submitted for licensure and can take years to assemble (see Bibliography: FDA 2007: Guidance for industry: clinical data needed to support the licensure of pandemic influenza vaccines).

Moreover, at the moment both the FDA and the European Union's drug agency consider adjuvants to be a component of vaccines, not a product separate from vaccines—implying that adjuvants can be brought forward only as part of a precise antigen dose/adjuvant combination that must be tested for safety and efficacy, probably in a "non-inferiority" trial against the same antigen dose without adjuvant, and then submitted for licensure (see Bibliography: European Agency for the Evaluation of Medicinal Products 2005; FDA 2007: Guidance for industry: clinical data needed to support the licensure of seasonal inactivated influenza vaccines).

"We have not taken the position that an adjuvant can be thought of as a stand-alone product," Dr. Pamela MacInnes of the National Institutes of Health said at an FDA advisory committee meeting last February. "It's a product that has antigen in combination with an adjuvant that comes forward for licensure" (see Bibliography: FDA 2007: Committee meeting transcript).

Mixing and matching
There is currently no regulatory pathway by which adjuvants may be submitted for approval as products by themselves—or may be paired with a separately manufactured antigen, perhaps one produced by another company. Regulators acknowledge that could stand in the way of, for instance, converting the already-manufactured vaccine in the national stockpile (which was purchased under the 90-mcg-dose license granted Sanofi Pasteur earlier this year but is held in bulk) to an adjuvanted vaccine that could be stretched much further.

"There probably are more concerns about an antigen made with one manufacturing process and an antigen made with another manufacturing process and whether when those are mixed with ideal adjuvant X in two potentially different circumstances or time points, that could raise a bunch of issues about formulation, stability, immunogenicity, safety," Dr. Jesse Goodman, director of the FDA's Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research, said at the FDA meeting (see Bibliography: FDA 2007: Committee meeting transcript).

The US Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) issued $132.5 million in contracts in January 2007 to three companies—GlaxoSmithKline, Iomai, and Novartis—to study antigen technology, including the possibility of mixing and matching adjuvants with separately manufactured antigens (see Bibliography: GSK 2007; Iomai 2007; Novartis 2007: Novartis receives US government contract). Manufacturers have welcomed the government interest because negotiating combinations of components from different companies is fraught with antitrust and intellectual-property pitfalls.

"I have heard a lot of people say they expect problems with adjuvanted vaccines," said Hedwig Kresse, an associate analyst for infectious diseases with the British-based market analysts Datamonitor. "It is a technology that definitely has some potential, but there are a lot of issues that need to be addressed first" (see Bibliography: Kresse 2007).

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Part 5: What role for prepandemic vaccination?

Experiments with vaccine adjuvants have raised some hope of removing one of the great stumbling blocks to pandemic influenza preparedness: the impossibility of making a vaccine that protects against a pandemic virus before that virus actually emerges.

A number of the studies that have shown adjuvants may be able to stretch the vaccine supply also demonstrated a secondary benefit: The formulas protected not only against the H5N1 flu strain on which they were based, but against other H5N1 strains as well, a phenomenon called cross-reactive protection (see Bibliography: Nicholson 2001, Stephenson 2005, Govorkova 2006, Hehme 2007, Hoffenbach 2007). Most recently, the GlaxoSmithKline-backed team that described an acceptable immune response after two adjuvanted 3.8-microgram (mcg) doses found that three fourths of their subjects were protected not only against the clade 1 Vietnam virus on which the vaccine was based, but against a drifted clade 2 virus from Indonesia as well (see Bibliography: Leroux-Roels 2007).

The findings are not completely understood, though researchers agree that they make biological sense. Adjuvants stimulate the immune system in some manner that is broader than and different from the body’s reaction to the antigen packaged with them. The discovery that adjuvanted flu vaccines may invoke cross-reactivity has generated tremendous excitement—because that could allow production of at least partially protective vaccines well in advance of a pandemic’s beginning.

A tough ethical problem
But the next logical step—that if vaccines can be formulated without waiting for a pandemic, they could be administered before a pandemic began—is a much tougher one to take, and policy makers are approaching it with great caution. The scientific, logistical, and especially ethical questions raised by prepandemic vaccination are grave.

Any vaccination that took place before a pandemic was detected would offer uncertain amounts of both benefit and risk. The vaccine might be cross-protective against a future pandemic—but the lag time to the pandemic’s emergence might be so long that the vaccination would seem pointless. As well, the vaccine might cause a greater-than-expected rate of adverse events, causing both direct harm to recipients and indirect damage to government credibility—results that would be particularly difficult to tolerate if vaccination proved unnecessary because the pandemic did not arrive. Those risks are not theoretical: They have been demonstrated in the United States twice in recent history, in the abortive 2002 smallpox vaccination campaign and the 1976 swine-flu campaign (see Bibliography: Kotalik 2005), which has haunted US flu decision-making ever since.

The danger demonstrated by both those campaigns, of causing adverse events while protecting against a disease that might never arise, has been noted in World Health Organization (WHO) policies as well. "Possible high-risk shortcuts in response to a potential emergency would be difficult to justify prior to the actual occurrence of the emergency," the agency said after the June 2006 meeting of its Global Advisory Committee on Vaccine Safety. "Effectiveness of pandemic vaccines will not be known before the pandemic and possibly only after it is over" (see Bibliography: WHO 2006: Global Advisory Committee on Vaccine Safety, 6-7 June 2006).

Yet the potential benefits of prepandemic vaccination are so alluring that governments have begun gingerly to lay groundwork for its consideration, despite the obvious difficulties of putting the idea into practice.

"Extraordinary threats call for consideration of innovative strategies that, in less-threatening circumstances, might be dismissed," Bruce Gellin and Ben Schwartz of the Department of Health and Human Services' National Vaccine Program Office wrote 2 years ago. "Although it has been assumed that pandemic vaccine cannot be stockpiled or that vaccination cannot occur before the start of a pandemic, might these approaches actually be possible? . . . Would receipt of a vaccine prepared before the pandemic be effective in providing some protection or in priming recipients so a single subsequent dose of vaccine would be protective?" (see Bibliography: Schwartz 2005).

The prime-boost strategy
The most likely and biologically plausible use of prepandemic vaccination would be as the first half of a "prime-boost" series. People would still be given the two doses of vaccine necessary to provoke immunity in a naïve individual. But the doses would be based on different vaccine strains—the first an early best guess, the second tuned to the pandemic strain—and could be given not weeks but months or years apart if the science supported it.

At the moment, however, the science is thin. Much of the support for priming has come from animal studies (see Bibliography: Lipatov 2005, Govorkova 2006, Kreijtz 2007) or via computer modeling (see Bibliography: Longini 2005, Ferguson 2006, Germann 2006). A few small studies in humans have shown promising results. In one, serum from 15 volunteers who received three doses over 16 months of an adjuvanted vaccine based on a 1997 H5N3 isolate showed significant antibody response against H5N1 strains isolated years later (see Bibliography: Stephenson 2005). In another, 37 participants who had been given a baculovirus-grown, clade 3 H5 vaccine in 1998 were boosted with a single dose of the unadjuvanted 90-mcg Sanofi vaccine in 2005, and showed much higher antibody responses than participants who had not been primed but received one or two doses of the 90-mcg vaccine (see Bibliography: Treanor 2007: Immune responses). And researchers at a conference earlier this year reported that some of the participants in the phase 3 trial of the 90-mcg Sanofi vaccine were boosted with a third dose 6 months after their second dose and showed a significant rise in antibody levels that lasted for 6 months (see Bibliography: Zangwill 2007).

Hurdles are many
So many steps separate those early results from an agreed-upon policy that would allow for prepandemic vaccines—in an annual flu shot or stockpiled until the WHO declares a pandemic imminent—that it is unrealistic to expect them to be created any time soon. The scientific questions alone are significant and novel.

"I think priming should be done, but I am not sure how it should be done," said Dr. John Wood, principal scientist in the division of virology at the United Kingdom's National Institute for Biological Standards and Control. "What we don't know is how low you can go to actually prime people. It may be that you can go much lower than where we can detect antibody. That is a regulatory headache, because you have to demonstrate that you are doing something, but there is a potential there" (see Bibliography: Wood 2007: author interview).

To achieve prepandemic vaccines, researchers would have to ascertain the right dose and dose interval, determine how long priming lasts, and solve the puzzle of measuring primed immunity. Further, regulatory authorities would have to determine the trial design that could deliver those answers, the public discussion that would be necessary for prepandemic vaccines to be accepted, and the safety data that would need to be gathered once the vaccines went into use (see Bibliography: Goodman 2007).

Recognizing those hurdles, the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control said in August that while it welcomes the development of prepandemic vaccines, it would not support administering them until a WHO declaration of pandemic phase 5 or 6, meaning significant human-to-human transmission is occurring or a pandemic is under way (see Bibliography: ECDC 2007: "Pre-pandemic" vaccines might offer protection but uncertainties remain).

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Post by: okarol on November 20, 2007, 03:54:54 PM
--- continued from previous post -- THE PANDEMIC VACCINE PUZZLE

Part 6: Looking to novel vaccine technologies

Frustration with the slow pace of pandemic-vaccine achievement has spurred second looks at both old and new technologies, such as using whole influenza viruses instead of fragments or growing flu viruses in cultures of mammalian cells instead of in eggs.

Such approaches may yield cross-protection against various H5N1 strains, shorten the production timeline, or increase the amount of vaccine that can be produced. As with the inactivated subvirion or split-virus vaccines, however, much of the research into new types of vaccines and forms of delivery is in its early stages, and the vaccines could be years away from marketability. Few of them pass the real-world tests specified recently by David Fedson, MD, in the Permanente Journal. Fedson, a retired vaccine-industry executive who has analyzed pandemic vaccine planning, wrote that the vaccines must be "scientifically promising," they must be "licensed or near licensure," and "the global industrial capacity to produce them must be large and already in place" (see Bibliography: Fedson 2007: New approaches).

Among older and known technologies, the lure of cross-reactive protection has spurred a second look at inactivated whole-virus and live-attenuated flu vaccines. Some whole-virus trials have returned encouraging results. But in the past, whole-virus vaccines' much higher rate of adverse reactions has kept them out of commercial use in the United States. As a result, "if whole-virus vaccines are confirmed to be more immunogenic than subvirion vaccines, this will pose challenges to manufacturers and regulators, since it will require substantial changes to existing licensed production processes," Iain Stephenson of University Hospital-Leicester and colleagues observed in Lancet Infectious Diseases (see Bibliography: Stephenson 2006: Development of vaccines against influenza H5).

Pros and cons of live vaccines
Live-attenuated vaccine has been the Cinderella of the seasonal flu vaccine world, struggling for market share since it was introduced in 2003 by MedImmune (now part of AstraZeneca). Even during flu-shot shortages, its acceptability was hampered by restrictive FDA indications limiting its use to 5- to 49-year-olds, as well as a formula that required physicians to keep it frozen (see Bibliography: Rosenwald 2007). The vaccine was relaunched this year with a new formula that requires only refrigeration, along with a broadened indication permitting use in children as young as 2 years old, backed by research showing that it protected young children better than a shot (see Bibliography: Belshe 2007).

Because they contain live virus, live-attenuated vaccines provoke multiple types of immunity. In studies they have been shown to protect against both the strains from which vaccine candidates were derived and against drifted (slightly mutated) strains as well—characteristics that make them highly appealing to pandemic planners (see Bibliography: Belshe 2004). They also grow in eggs at a much higher volume than inactivated vaccines (see Bibliography: Monto 2007). But their live-virus content is responsible for the vaccines' greatest potential danger: the possibility that they might lead to reassortment between the vaccine virus and circulating flu strains.

"Although such an event may not be of concern in the face of widespread disease from a pandemic strain of influenza, it would clearly be an unfavorable outcome if the threatened pandemic did not materialize," Catherine Luke and Kanta Subbarao of the National Institutes of Health (NIH) wrote last year. They called for clinical trials of live-attenuated pandemic vaccine candidates in which, to eliminate the risk of reassortment, participants would be kept in inpatient isolation. "The risk for reassortment must be carefully considered by public health authorities before a decision is made to introduce a live, attenuated vaccine in a threatened pandemic," they stated (see Bibliography: Luke 2006).

Alternate routes
Some researchers have urged attention not to new vaccines, but to new methods of administering vaccines. Intradermal vaccination appears to provoke acceptable levels of immunity while using only 20% to 30% of the standard intramuscular dose—but the injection technique is more challenging and may not be feasible for mass vaccination programs that might use less-trained volunteers (see Bibliography: Haaheim 2007).

In another novel suggestion, academics from the University of Hong Kong recommended recently that health authorities consider giving lower-than-planned doses of vaccine during a pandemic, arguing that vaccinating more people with a reduced dose could create a mass effect large enough to slow down spread of the disease (see Bibliography: Riley 2007). That approach too has drawbacks, Christophe Fraser of Imperial College London said in a commentary: "We must . . . consider whether anyone is ready for the potential consequences of deploying a suboptimal vaccine in an uncertain attempt to maximize our herd protection, with a possible reduction in the extent of protection of individuals" (see Bibliography: Fraser 2007).

The promise of cell-culture production
The simplest but in some ways most challenging proposals for addressing the slow development of pandemic vaccines are ones that directly address the shortfall in flu antigen by radically changing production techniques.

Cell culture is a known technology that is used for vaccines such as inactivated polio vaccine, but in the United States it has never been applied to flu. Moving flu vaccine production from eggs to cell culture would simplify manufacturing in several key areas. It would free manufacturers from the necessity of procuring enough eggs up to a year in advance. By dispensing with eggs, it would eliminate the need for putting a pandemic virus through reverse genetics, shaving 4 to 6 weeks off vaccine production. And because the vaccine virus is grown in giant industrial fermenters, it could offer a vast increase in production capacity—but only if manufacturers or governments make significant capital investments (see Bibliography: GlaxoSmithKline 2005, Novartis 2006) or manufacturers quickly convert the 2.5 million liters of cell-culture capacity (see Bibliography: FDA 2007: Committee meeting transcript) in use around the world for other pharmaceutical products. Either method of creating additional capacity would require the approval of regulatory bodies such as the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) before production could begin, unless governments enacted some form of emergency release.

But additional investment at least is beginning: The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) awarded $97 million to one manufacturer in 2005 and just over $1 billion to five manufacturers in 2006 (see Bibliography: HHS 2006), and manufacturers Novartis and GlaxoSmithKline have both begun building cell-culture plants in the United States. The first cell-culture vaccine for seasonal flu, made by Novartis, was approved by European Union authorities in June (see Bibliography: Novartis 2007: Novartis gains European approval).

A refinement of the cell-culture strategy involves isolating the flu virus's hemagglutinin gene and using recombinant technology to express the hemagglutinin in insect cells grown in bioreactors. The main commercial proponent of this process, Protein Sciences Corp., claims it can halve the standard production timeline while delivering higher yields (see Bibliography: Lauerman 2007). The baculovirus-expressed recombinant product has been successfully tested for safety and immunogenicity (see Bibliography: Treanor, Schiff 2006; Treanor, Schiff 2007), and the company has said it plans to submit a trivalent, seasonal-flu version of the vaccine to the FDA for licensure before the end of 2007 (see Bibliography: Protein Sciences Corp. 2007). Submission of a recombinant pandemic vaccine would follow approval of the seasonal vaccine, chief operating officer Manon Cox said at an FDA hearing earlier this year (see Bibliography: FDA 2007: Committee meeting transcript).

The Holy Grail
The Holy Grail of flu vaccine—and the object so far of the greatest wistfulness—is a universal vaccine. "The optimal long-term solution to pandemic vaccination is the development of a new influenza vaccine against an antigen that is present in all influenza subtypes and does not change," Ben Schwartz and Bruce Gellin of HHS's National Vaccine Program Office wrote in 2005 (see Bibliography: Schwartz 2005). So far, however, vaccines based on conserved regions of the virus such as the M2 protein have shown only the ability to reduce disease, not to prevent infection, and have been tested largely in animals, though one clinical trial in humans began last summer (see Bibliography: Acambis PLC 2007).

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Part 7: Time for a vaccine 'Manhattan Project'?

Although money for pandemic influenza vaccine research has begun to flow and results have picked up speed, there is widespread frustration that it all took so long.

"If we are serious about a pandemic, we should assume it is going to be imminent and we should be prepared as if it is imminent—not 10, 15 years down the road, but imminent," said David Fedson, MD, a retired vaccine industry executive who has published analyses of pandemic vaccine planning (see Bibliography: Fedson 2007: Author interview).

A chorus of calls to action
Calls have come from across the political spectrum for a more aggressive, better-funded, tightly organized research effort. Former Senate Majority Leader William H. Frist (R-Tenn.) called in August 2005 for a "Manhattan Project for the 21st century" (see Bibliography: Frist 2005). In the same month, Michael T. Osterholm, PhD, MPH, director of the University of Minnesota Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy, publisher of CIDRAP News, recommended the creation of "an international project to develop the ability to produce a vaccine for the entire global population within several months of the start of a pandemic [that would be] a top priority of the Group of Seven industrialized nations plus Russia (the G-8)" (see Bibliography: Osterholm 2005).

Further, the nonprofit, nonpartisan advocacy group Trust for America's Health recommended in October 2006 that governments create a "multinational pandemic vaccine research and development master program" (see Bibliography: Trust for America's Health 2006), and the Infectious Diseases Society of America (IDSA) echoed that call in January 2007, recommending an appropriation of $2.8 billion in such a project's first year (see Bibliography: IDSA 2007).

"An effort on the scale of the Apollo space project is required," the IDSA said.

The Manhattan Project and the nuclear bombs that resulted from it are a sensitive subject to raise in a health crisis that demands international cooperation—particularly a health crisis centered in Asia, where the bombs were used.

But implicit in the invocation of that all-out effort is a hunger for the power, funding, freedom from bureaucracy, and single-minded focus that its leaders enjoyed. The Manhattan Project was founded at emergency speed: The lag time between Albert Einstein's famous letter advising President Franklin Roosevelt that nuclear fission might permit the creation of "extremely powerful bombs" and the first meeting of a newly formed federal Advisory Committee on Uranium was a mere 10 days. The project’s chief, Brigadier General Leslie Groves, was handpicked for his reputation for ruthless efficiency. Even after the United States entered World War II in December 1941, the project boasted the ability to cherry-pick any staff and claim any funding it needed; eventually it employed 130,000 people and received $2 billion in 1940s dollars (about $23 billion today).

Most notably for parallels to pandemic policy, the Manhattan Project simultaneously pursued multiple research paths into nuclear fission and weapons development, dropping entire avenues of inquiry and increasing other labs' funding and staff as results emerged. And from the time of Einstein's letter in 1939 to the dropping of two atomic bombs on Japan in 1945, less than 6 years elapsed (see Bibliography: Schwartz 1998; Gosling 1999).

 "I feel as a scientist that we could make progress more rapidly if we sat down in advance and came up with a big-picture strategy and then funded it," said Dr. Gregory Poland, director of the Mayo Clinic's Vaccine Research Group in Rochester, Minn. "We have neither a process for rapidly developing new vaccines nor a track record" (see Bibliography: Poland 2007).

The National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), the primary conduit of federal flu research funds to scientists, believes it does have a robust research agenda. Dr. Carole Heilman, director of the division of microbiology and infectious diseases, points to the flu-research recommendations issued by a blue-ribbon NIAID panel this year as evidence that the agency is guiding extramural researchers to critical questions about flu (see Bibliography: Heilman 2007, NIAID 2007). But with funding limited until recently, much of the research being conducted came into being because of private-sector interests rather than an overarching plan, said longtime flu researcher Dr. Arnold Monto of the University of Michigan (see Bibliography: Monto 2007).

Redefining the problem
Those calling for a Manhattan Project–like effort say that what is needed is much broader than what NIAID or all of NIH could deliver. It requires active coordination among all the federal health agencies along with cooperation from congressional funders, plus parallel efforts in other countries. "Pandemic vaccine development has been viewed primarily as a vaccine problem that should be addressed with better science," Fedson said, "but fundamentally it is a global public health problem that requires better management" (see Bibliography: Fedson and Dunnill 2007: From scarcity to abundance).

And, they say, it is urgent that such an effort be established soon, because there is no way of predicting accurately when a pandemic might arrive. If it arrives soon rather than later, the lack of vaccine in most of the world will create a divide between haves and have-nots that could corrupt international relations long after the pandemic ends.

The long standoff with the Indonesian government over sharing of H5N1 isolates has provided a foretaste of the disruption such resentment could cause. The health ministry of Indonesia—the country that has experienced the most human cases and deaths from H5N1 flu—stopped sending isolates to World Health Organization (WHO) collaborating laboratories in late 2006. Those laboratories both analyze the isolates to track the evolution of seasonal and novel flu strains and use them to develop pandemic vaccine candidates; Indonesia's decision to stop contributing was apparently triggered by the realization that it could never afford to purchase vaccines made from isolates it provided.

By challenging the WHO, Indonesia deprived the international community of a key source of information on emerging flu viruses. It also emboldened other developing countries to join its protest, leading to a week-long negotiation at the annual World Health Assembly (WHA), a WHA resolution promising reconsideration of the virus-sharing system, and WHO commitments to invest in vaccine manufacturing in the developing world. The concessions did not completely repair relations, however: The question of control over viruses remains open and will be discussed again at a WHO meeting in Geneva that opens Nov 5 (see Bibliography: McKenna 2007: System for global; McKenna 2007: Virus ownership).

It is possible that failing to achieve a pandemic vaccine when it is needed—or even failing to confront in advance the possibility that supplies will fall short—could fracture international pandemic preparations just when cooperation will be essential.

"At this point, when a pandemic happens, vaccines are going to provide some benefit to a very limited number of people," Osterholm said. "But they are also going to create a major diversion of activity and energy when the decisions have to be made about who gets what limited vaccine exists. I worry that their negative impact will outweigh their positive impact: They will cause a crisis of leadership around the world" (see Bibliography: Osterholm 2007).


Bibliography - go to: http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/influenza/panflu/news/nov1507panvax.html
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Post by: Bill Peckham on November 21, 2007, 07:54:20 AM
Thanks for posting the reprt from CIDRAP Karol - right now there is flu sharing summit going on Geneva. To have an effective vaccine you need to have a stable virus but even to have a decent prepandemic vaccine you'd need to have the most recent genetic isolates from the virus causing so much trouble in Indonesia. For a reliable updated reporting on the situation I look to the Effect Measure reporting by the Reveres http://scienceblogs.com/effectmeasure/2007/11/day_1_of_the_flu_virus_sharing.php

"The first day of the scheduled four day showdown in Geneva over sharing bird flu virus isolates is now over. What seems to have been accomplished is statements of opening positions."

read the whole post and follow the multiple links to the previous posts to get a back ground on the serious issues with vaccine development and production.

I am not at all counting on getting any sort of prepandemic vaccine from the power that be.
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Post by: Bill Peckham on November 22, 2007, 11:05:03 AM
Hat-tip Pixie at PFI via UK-Bird at FW who found the UK document that underlies the recent story about vaccinating the entire UK population with a pre-pandemic vaccine. This is a UK document but one can assume the same discussions are going on in the US. This document does not address the issue of Tamiflu resistance at all. The other thing to keep in mind is that the numbers are so much larger for the US (UK 60 million population v 300 million in US) and other than private Tamiflu stockpiles there is not any where near enough for Tamiflu prophylactic doses for family members of sick individuals.

The report makes mention of having a vaccine ready for the second wave. But if the virus has mutated once again between the first and second wave, that second wave vax will end up being just another pre-pandemic vaccine.

This is also the first time I've seen open discussion of sever travel restrictions. If it was a high case fatality rate strain then I think it is clear there would be a shut down of international travel and if the strain appeared in North America then there would be an abrupt shut down/slow down of domestic travel. I think this needs to be discussed sooner rather than later in the US in order for people to understand their vulnerability if they are traveling abroad and for families to understand the quick response they would need to get the family back together early in the alert phase - bring kids home from college, etc.. Everything depends on the Case Fatality Rate, I hope the implications of a high CFR receive the attention it deserves in US planning.




November 2007

Pandemic Influenza Scientific Advisory Group (SAG): Subgroup on Modelling

Modelling Summary


http://www.advisorybodies.doh.gov.uk/sagpf/minutes/sag-modelling-summary-nov2007.pdf

Note:

The attached document represents the consensus view of the modelling subgroup of the Pandemic Influenza Scientific Advisory Group. It is not a polished report of the group’s deliberations and conclusions. Rather it is a working document, updated after each meeting of the subgroup, to record the group’s advice in a form which can be immediately used to assist in the formulation of policy. [snip]

Excerpts:

The initial outbreak

What we know:

• If the first incipient pandemic cases are in a rural part of south east Asia, stringent social distance measures, the use of area quarantine and the implementation of a geographically based, large scale, antiviral prophylaxis policy, could contain an outbreak with up to 3 million courses of antivirals for R0 of up to about 2. Even if the strategy fails to contain the disease, it might delay its progress by around a month.

• The practicality of such measures depends on effective local planning to identify cases, provide antiviral drugs and implement quarantine and other social distance measures.

• Regardless of whether the above containment measures prove to be effective, disease surveillance will be required to estimate important disease parameters such as the (age-specific) attack and mortality rates as well as measures of disease severity and descriptions of clinical pattern. It is uncertain exactly how long it will take to derive reasonable initial estimates for these and other parameters. It seems reasonable to assume that, if the disease starts in Asia and takes 2 to 4 weeks to spread to the UK,(see section 2.2), estimates of the mortality rate will be available by the time it reaches the UK. Attack rates are difficult to estimate, so reasonable estimates for these parameters may take longer to derive.

International spread

What we know:

• Having taken 2 to 4 weeks to build up in the country of origin pandemic flu could take as little as 2 to 4 weeks to spread from Asia to the UK, with the peak of the UK epidemic following about 50 days later.

• Imposing a 90% restriction on all air travel to the UK would delay the peak of a pandemic wave by only 1 to 2 weeks. On the other hand a 99.9% travel restriction might delay a pandemic wave by 2 months.

Here are some new thoughts:

• The above delays may be important if there is a substantial seasonal effect on the transmissibility of flu. If there is, it may be possible to “buy” enough time to shift what would otherwise have been a winter outbreak to the spring (or a spring outbreak to the summer), when the lower transmissibility would result in a smaller outbreak. Although this seasonal effect is potentially significant, strong evidence for such an effect has not yet been presented.

• Assuming passengers are screened before travel for clinical symptoms, there is no additional advantage in entry screening. Even preventing those with clinical symptoms from traveling is only likely to delay the spread of the disease by 1 to 2 weeks.

Geographical spread within the UK

• Assume, for the purposes of developing intervention strategies, that the outbreak will spread throughout the UK in less than 2 weeks.

Spread among, and impact on, the UK population

• The UK case fatality rate (CFR) for previous pandemics was of the order of 0.2 to 2%. In contrast, recent estimates of the case fatality rate for H5N1 avian flu are of the order of 50%. Based on historical pandemics a ‘reasonable worst case’ for a pandemic would be a CFR of 2.5%. Even if the estimates for H5N1 avian flu are overestimates for a version of the virus adapted for efficient human to human transmission, an H5N1 pandemic would be expected to be towards the higher end of the range of historically observed CFRs.

• A pandemic with a CFR above 2.5% cannot be ruled out. {this seems obvious yet the CDC planning scenarios stop at a 2% CFR}

• For previous pandemics, the overall clinical attack rate (cumulative across all waves) has been of the order of 25 to 35% in the UK. A reasonable upper bound for the cumulative clinical attack rate would appear to be 50%. The worst case scenario would be a single wave pandemic with a clinical attack rate of 50%. The proportion of the population infected would be higher:estimates of the proportion of infected individuals who go on to become clinical cases range from 50 to 67%.

• If pandemic flu were to reach the UK, the main intervention would be the treatment of clinical cases with antiviral drugs. However, antiviral prophylaxis of the household contacts of these cases could have a more marked impact on the disease. Such household prophylaxis would be more effective in mitigating and delaying the progress of the epidemic but this would require an anti-viral stockpile of at least twice the size currently available.

• Prior vaccination with a poorly matched (pre-pandemic) vaccine and antibiotic treatment of those with complications would also be important in controlling the overall impact on hospitalizations and deaths.

• Stockpiling enough antivirals to treat 75% (rather than 25%) of the UK population would allow the above antiviral intervention to be augmented to one involving both treatment of all cases and prophylaxis of their household contacts. Combining this augmented antiviral intervention with vaccination of 100% (rather than 40%) of the population, together with the use of antibiotic drugs for complications, could be sufficient to limit the number of cases, hospitalizations and deaths to the levels of the targeted strategy (when fully effective) even if one component intervention is ineffective. (The US numbers are antivirals stockpiled to treat 50 million - trying for 76 million - and no antiviral stockpile for prophylactic doses)

• In addition to the medical countermeasures of vaccine, antivirals and antibiotics, various social distance measures might be used to reduce interpersonal contacts and hence the progress and extent of the epidemic. Two such measures are school closures and restrictions on mass gatherings.

• The impact of closing schools, especially without any antiviral intervention, depends critically on the mixing between children and adults. Different plausible models give results suggesting between a 10% and 30% reduction in peak. In either case the reduction in the total number of cases is the range of 10%. Most of this reduction (in the total number of cases) would be in school age children, where the reduction in the number of clinical cases might be as high as 50%. School closure is therefore most usefully employed if children are particularly badly affected.

• Closing schools as an adjunct to antiviral treatment, might reduce the peak of the epidemic by an additional 10% (e.g. taking the most optimistic case, from a 30% reduction in the peak to 40%). The total number of clinical cases might also be reduced by 10%. Again most of this reduction would be in school age children, where the reduction in the number of clinical cases might be as high as 50%.

• Little direct evidence is available on the effects of canceling large public events. However, the results might be expected to be similar to those for closing schools, albeit on a considerably more limited scale. Some benefit might be expected for those who attend the events but very little for the overall community.

• The estimated impact of antiviral treatment and household prophylaxis assumes treatment within 24 hours of the first symptoms and that those with clinical symptoms are treated at home. Greater delay or the greater mixing of those with clinical symptoms will reduce the impact of any antiviral policy.

• Absenteeism directly due to illness would be expected to peak at between 15-17% for two to three weeks at the height of the epidemic. This corresponds to a 50% attack rate but employers should be advised to plan to this rate to take account of local geographical and temporal variation.

• For a typical organization additional absenteeism due to those who need to stay at home to look after ill children might increase absenteeism from 15-17% to 20%. (This seems odd - the CDC planning scenario assumes 40 - 50% absenteeism because of those caring for the sick, watching kids home from school and raw fear. If it was a high CFR then I'm not sure what level of absenteeism we'd see but it'd be above 50% for long stretches)

Policy questions:

• How would the response change for an extreme pandemic (i.e. with a CFR above the historical range i.e. up to 2.5%) (first time I've seen a .gov document asking the question. No answers or further discussion but at least they're acknowledging the scenario)

The second wave

What we know:

• Some supplies of vaccine specific to the pandemic virus may be available for a second or third wave of a pandemic - if they arise. Of the three pandemics of the 20th Century only that of 1918/19 generally produced second waves and thus in only one of these pandemics would a specific vaccine be of value in controlling the pandemic. (The second wave of1968/9 in the UK was a special case.)

• It is expected that vaccine will start to become available approximately 4-6 months after the start of the pandemic. Even if there is time to produce some vaccine before the start of the second wave, there may not be time to produce a large amount of vaccine, which may take an additional 10-12 months.

• The impact of vaccination with a pandemic-specific vaccine, if it were available, is entirely dependent on the timing and size of any second and subsequent waves in relation to the fist wave and hence inherently difficult to estimate.

• If strategies controlling the epidemic are successful (i.e. complete coverage with pre-pandemic vaccine coupled with household prophylaxis) widespread vaccination with the pandemic specific vaccine will be necessary to provide sufficient population immunity to allow suspension of antiviral interventions.

Annex 1: Advised planning assumptions

Up to 50% of the population ill (with serological rates up to 80-85%). Of which, from 10% up to 25% are expected to have complications, half of these bateriological. (With possibly as little a 35% overlap between the ‘at risk groups’ and those who actually get complications.)

Peak illness rates of 10 - 12% (in new cases per week - of the population) in the peak fortnight.

Absences rates for illness reach 15-20% in the peak weeks (at a 50% overall attack rate, assuming an average 7 working day absence for those without complications, 10 for those with, and some allowance for those at home caring for children.)

Case hospitalization demand rates in the range 0.55% to 4% with an average six day length of stay.

- but, of which 25% would, if the capacity existed, require intensive care for 10 days.

Case fatality rates in the range 0.4% to 2.5%.

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Post by: kitkatz on November 22, 2007, 03:50:04 PM
I bet the committees on this go on forever and nothing has been done to prepare for the worst scenario.  Probably a lot like herding cats.

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Post by: Bill Peckham on November 25, 2007, 01:28:01 PM
Govt to double stockpile of flu drugs
Web posted at: 11/25/2007 4:50:17
Source ::: THE TIMES
LONDON • The emergency stockpile of flu drugs will be doubled in Britain so that half of the population is covered in the event of a pandemic, Alan Johnson, the Health Secretary, announced yesterday.

An extra 15m doses of Tamiflu, an antiviral drug that is the main defence against a pandemic, will be ordered at an anticipated cost of about £150m, after ministers accepted that supplies are too low to ensure that the maximum number of lives are saved.

The new pandemic plan, details of which were first revealed by The Times, will allow the government to give the drug preventively to families of infected people, which according to scientists is the best way to contain the virus. The existing stockpile, which has 14.6m doses, is sufficient only for treating patients. Britain will now have comparable stockpiles to France and Australia and double the stores held by Germany and the United States.

snip

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article2924970.ece

(ht JWB at PFI)
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Post by: Bill Peckham on November 25, 2007, 01:31:33 PM
I bet the committees on this go on forever and nothing has been done to prepare for the worst scenario.  Probably a lot like herding cats.

Much will depend on the particulars of the virus but that will be the same everywhere. It will really depend on your zip code and the preparation of yourself and your neighbors. And luck.
Title: Re: That flu thing Billp is always trying to talk about
Post by: okarol on November 25, 2007, 01:52:28 PM
My husband said we should try to get some Tamiflu. However, it used to be available by prescription, but so many restrictions have been put on it that it may be impossible to get now. Last year they limited which pharmacies could sell it and who could purchase it, not sure if those rules are still in effect.

And now there's this:

FDA: Flu Drugs Affecting Kids' Behavior
FDA Wants Warnings About Possible Bizarre Behavior in Kids That Get 2 Widely Used Flu Drugs

The Associated Press

 WASHINGTON Nov 24, 2007 (AP)

Government health regulators recommended adding label precautions about neurological problems seen in children who have taken flu drugs made by Roche and GlaxoSmithKline.

The Food and Drug Administration on Friday released its safety review of Roche's Tamiflu and Glaxo's Relenza. Next week, an outside group of pediatric experts is scheduled to review the safety of several such drugs when used in children.

FDA began reviewing Tamiflu's safety in 2005 after receiving reports of children experiencing neurological problems, including hallucinations and convulsions.

Twenty-five patients under age 21 have died while taking the drug, most of them in Japan. Five deaths resulted from children "falling from windows or balconies or running into traffic."

There have been no child deaths connected with Relenza, but regulators said children taking the drug have shown similar neurological problems.

While FDA said it isn't clear whether the problems are directly related to the drugs, it recommends adding language about the possible side effects to labeling for physicians who prescribe Tamiflu and Relenza.

Besides being a drug side effect, the agency said the behaviors alternately could result from an unusual strain of flu or a rare genetic reaction to the drug.

Company representatives were not immediately available for comment.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory?id=3907721
Title: Re: That flu thing Billp is always trying to talk about
Post by: Bill Peckham on November 25, 2007, 02:03:23 PM
I think Tamiflu is much more widely used in Japan than in any other country - my understanding is that it is used prophylacticly to prevent/treat seasonal flu so I'm not sure how significant a contraindication these reports represent.  In the event of an event I'd want to have Tamiflu available, which means I will have to get it now. I'll see if I can get it through normal channels in December.

Tamiflu is just one of many items you'd want to have on hand - over the counter flu remedies and symptom relievers will also be in short supply.
Title: Re: That flu thing Billp is always trying to talk about
Post by: okarol on April 25, 2009, 11:05:32 AM
I have thought about the recent swine flu news - especially because we are in California and there have been a couple cases (although not fatal, thankfully.) Immunosuppressed and dialysis patients are particularly at risk, and while I am not panicking unnecessarily, I am trying to learn more. Avoiding crowds is all I have heard so far, but beyond that there is no preventative measures offered. Hopefully it will run it's course.
Here is a pretty good overview about Swine Flu http://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/news/20090421/swine-flu-faq - it does say that the flu is sensitive to Tamiflu, (but as mentioned before, there can be side affects.)
Bill - were you ever able to get some Tamiflu?
Title: Re: That flu thing Billp is always trying to talk about
Post by: G-Ma on April 25, 2009, 02:50:32 PM
I just read about the swine flu and did not know that it's a mixture of swine, bird and human virus which is not a good thing...Tamiful seems to one of few meds working but even that supply is short when you look at the number of people in Mexico Ciity that may need it before it comes further into the US..if it does...hopefully not.  Just my thought.
Title: Re: That flu thing Billp is always trying to talk about
Post by: okarol on April 25, 2009, 06:17:22 PM
From Bill's blog:


April 24, 2009
Dialysis unit preparedness for novel influenza strains: Are we ready for Swine Flu?

Bill Peckham

The CDC is reporting 8 cases of influenza in San Diego and Texas and the New York Times is reporting swine flu concerns in Queens NY. This is worrisome news because this strain of influenza is novel. Novel means that no one has prior immunity to this strain of H1N1 influenza because it's new. Since it's new it has the potential to get more people sick then would normally get sick in the flu season which in the Northern Hemisphere is from about November to March, but you can get the flu throughout the year and a novel strain can spread rapidly often in waves.

Pandemonium2 I've written 32 posts categorized "Pandemic" as it relates to dialysis. I've tried to engage at various planning levels - that's me biting my lip behind the guy talking (page three at this PDF link) at a county planning exercise last year. I've been thinking about this for a while (my first pandemic post was almost exactly three years ago) mostly in regard to the H5N1 "bird flu" influenza virus. I don't think we are as prepared as we should be for an influenza pandemic no matter which flavor.

The experts always said that the next pandemic could be any type of influenza the only requirement is for there to be a new genetic form of influenza that passes easily among humans. The H1N1 cases in the US reported to date have not caused any death (deaths have been reported in Mexico but at this point things are not at all certain) so let's hope that what's know as the Case Fatality Rate is very low. The CDC considers a pandemic to be be severe if the CFR is 2%. This will be an important number to watch.

I'll need to go back and read some of my past posts but generally this is a big deal and we can hope that it is just a wake up call and not the event we've been fearing.

http://www.billpeckham.com/from_the_sharp_end_of_the/2009/04/dialysis-unit-preparedness-for-novel-influenza-strains.html
Title: Re: That flu thing Billp is always trying to talk about
Post by: RightSide on April 25, 2009, 08:28:29 PM
According to medical history, there have been an average of three pandemics per century.  In the 20th century, we had pandemics in 1918, 1957, and 1968, each caused by a major antigenic shift like we're worrying about now.  (As a teenager, I got caught by the 1968 Hong Kong flu.  It was nasty.  I survived it, but 35,000 other Americans didn't.)

Since the last pandemic, we've been lucky for 41 years--but our luck can't hold forever.

As regards in-center hemodialysis, a simple safety precaution is for everyone in the center--EVERYONE--to wear masks as long as they are there.  Doctors, nurses, techs, patients, everybody.   I'm sure that most hospitals will implement similar precautions.

But we're hardly the only ones at risk.  There have already been cases where one flu sufferer traveling on an airliner infected most of the others on board.  If a severe pandemic strikes, and you're a frequent flier, good luck to you.
Title: Re: That flu thing Billp is always trying to talk about
Post by: Wallyz on April 25, 2009, 09:49:39 PM
Yeah- once its pandemic stage the best  strategy is isolation with mask, hand washing, etc.
I think the Mexican governemtn is doing pretty well, trying to hit the center of the pandemic with Tamaflu, and trying to isolate people.  I know that if the epicenter was America, people would be both panicking , suing to be let out of isolation and demading that tamaflu be distributed on a lottery system, with a healthy black market.
Title: Re: That flu thing Billp is always trying to talk about
Post by: Bill Peckham on April 25, 2009, 11:55:25 PM
We need to watch what happens in the next few days. The containment strategy is no longer in play - the spread is too advanced if it is in NYNY and Kansas and Ottawa, on and on. We should expect a steady stream of case reports, the incubation period seems to be towards the short end of the scale so the next few days will be very telling.

There are two key numbers we need to know
 RO: how many people each person infects. If RO is less than 1 then the transmission chain peters out; if RO is 2 or higher the numbers will balloon.
 The case fatality rate. I assume the low CFR in the US is due to the availability of Tamiflu. There isn't that much Tamiflu stockpiled, and what is stockpiled is single use stockpiles, I don't know of anyone with 400 doses to last the entire PanFlu year.

And that is the problem for dialysis - if it is a pandemic then we are in for a Panflu year and waves of illness. The vulnerability of incenter dialyzors is the issue of being regularly in a room full of people for hours at a time - surgical masks protect others from you, they do not protect you from others. You'd need N-95 or better masks to protect yourself from others. Other than me does anyone have hundreds of N-95 masks stockpiled? And the larger issue for dialyzors is our huge supply needs and resource consumption. Just where exactly do you think people on dialysis rank on community planing priorities? http://www.billpeckham.com/from_the_sharp_end_of_the/2008/05/where-does-dial.html (http://www.billpeckham.com/from_the_sharp_end_of_the/2008/05/where-does-dial.html)

Right now I am not so worried about next week as I am about next November. But I am considering starting a resource conservation strategy. I'll make my decision tomorrow.
Title: Re: That flu thing Billp is always trying to talk about
Post by: Bill Peckham on April 25, 2009, 11:58:29 PM
I have thought about the recent swine flu news - especially because we are in California and there have been a couple cases (although not fatal, thankfully.) Immunosuppressed and dialysis patients are particularly at risk, and while I am not panicking unnecessarily, I am trying to learn more. Avoiding crowds is all I have heard so far, but beyond that there is no preventative measures offered. Hopefully it will run it's course.
Here is a pretty good overview about Swine Flu http://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/news/20090421/swine-flu-faq - it does say that the flu is sensitive to Tamiflu, (but as mentioned before, there can be side affects.)
Bill - were you ever able to get some Tamiflu?

My dialysis provider is planning to operate and using Tamiflu is part of that strategy.
Title: Re: That flu thing Billp is always trying to talk about
Post by: Bill Peckham on April 26, 2009, 12:07:38 AM
I think this post, in this thread still has the sort of mitigation strategy that dialysis units must have under consideration.
http://ihatedialysis.com/forum/index.php?topic=2272.msg43535#msg43535 (http://ihatedialysis.com/forum/index.php?topic=2272.msg43535#msg43535)

How would each of you answer these questions?
Title: Re: That flu thing Billp is always trying to talk about
Post by: G-Ma on April 26, 2009, 12:58:35 AM
Thought provoking questions Bill.  I think it's important we all think about all the what ifs.
Member of household..in my case I'm alone but can't allow my g daughter to come over every day like she wants if anyone in her house is ill..they know it just has to be this way.
If patient presents...I will talk to Dr immediately..request Tamiflue..I would think some sort of isolation at dialysis..I'm also going to question my center about this.
If symptoms confirmed I know CDC and state have to be notified and specific isolation procedures I would think.
Another point I have to look at is the fact that Saul generally goes to Mexico City, Chihuahua and the villages his family lives in either before a visit with me or during and he many times comes home ill with something the family has and then I get sick so I know there will need to be some talks about him needing to make a decisiion on who he visits or more importantly the need for him to know how this flu could affect him or me.  He had questioned thiis yesterday and I had not read a lot yet so today I'll be able to talk to him aout this, thanks to Bill and all of you.    I'm looking forward to seeing other thoughts.     :bow;
Title: Re: That flu thing Billp is always trying to talk about
Post by: okarol on April 26, 2009, 02:16:00 PM

The Obama administration today declared a public health emergency. Here's the news story:

http://ihatedialysis.com/forum/index.php?topic=13619.0 Swine Flu Outbreak Triggers Public Health Emergency
Title: Re: That flu thing Billp is always trying to talk about
Post by: RightSide on April 26, 2009, 03:29:50 PM
Summer pandemics can be milder, because folks are out of doors in fresh air more often, and don't spread the virus in confined areas so much.

However, in 1918, that flu pandemic hit in two waves:  First a milder one in the summer, and then the really bad virulent one in the following winter.  So even if the swine flu pandemic is contained this summer, we're not out of the woods yet.  The CDC will almost certainly include this flu strain in the flu shots to be given out this fall.  MAKE SURE YOU GET ONE!!!  A second-wave pandemic this coming winter is a real possibility.
Title: Re: That flu thing Billp is always trying to talk about
Post by: Bill Peckham on April 29, 2009, 10:49:41 PM
The WHO Raises Alert to Phase 5; Pandemic Is Imminent
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/statements/2009/h1n1_20090429/en/index.html

Human to human transmission and widely spread geographically. We should expect them to raise it to level six by Friday.

Someone is going to have make a very tough call in the next couple weeks. We don't have the production capacity to make two vaccines at once (http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/blog/europeinsight/archives/2009/04/time_to_make_sw.html?chan=top+news_top+news+index+-+temp_news+%2B+analysis).

If you make the vaccine for the H1N1 virus then you can't get out a vaccine for the seasonal flu. Something to consider is that this years seasonal flu picked up resistance to Tamiflu so we have expect that next year's strain of seasonal flu will also have Tamiflu resistance.

Do you make the seasonal vaccine or do you make a vaccine for the new H1N1 strain? I wouldn't want to be the one to make the decision.
Title: Re: That flu thing Billp is always trying to talk about
Post by: MandaMe1986 on April 30, 2009, 06:34:54 AM

The Obama administration today declared a public health emergency. Here's the news story:

http://ihatedialysis.com/forum/index.php?topic=13619.0 Swine Flu Outbreak Triggers Public Health Emergency

Bush has 9/11 when he first came into office and now Obama has this.  In a way this is giving us a chance to see what people say about Obama.  I personally feel bad for the guy, this could get out of hand very quickly.
Title: Re: That flu thing Billp is always trying to talk about
Post by: paul.karen on April 30, 2009, 01:35:33 PM
This is a great reason to secure our borders.

Remember when people use to come to america via ellis island.  If they were sick they were turned away or quarantined.
Obamas thoughts are.  Well it is here so why secure the borders.  Is he even for real??
With that kind of logic well nuff said.

Title: Re: That flu thing Billp is always trying to talk about
Post by: paris on April 30, 2009, 02:06:56 PM
Have you seen what the border patrol has been doing the past week or two?  If you even look like you might sneeze, you can't cross the border.   The problem is more with vacationers bringing it back.  My neice and her husband are in Mexico this week. They planned their trip months ago.  I'll  be glad when they are back.    In this age of travel, any disease will spread quickly.  100 years ago, we stayed home.  Now someone can be in Mexico, fly to France and be back in the US before he even shows signs of flu.   I just keep washing my hands a lot!!
Title: Re: That flu thing Billp is always trying to talk about
Post by: MandaMe1986 on April 30, 2009, 02:10:12 PM
I kinda agree with Obama on this one.  You know it is here, and at this point it is us spreading it.  And like Paris said it is more with people who were visiting who are bringing it back.
Title: Re: That flu thing Billp is always trying to talk about
Post by: jbeany on April 30, 2009, 06:00:53 PM
I think Obama's line of thought was more of - securing the borders won't stop it anyhow, but will do further damage to an already bad economy.
Title: Re: That flu thing Billp is always trying to talk about
Post by: kitkatz on April 30, 2009, 06:01:26 PM
At least our minds are off the lousy economy now.
Title: Re: That flu thing Billp is always trying to talk about
Post by: okarol on April 30, 2009, 06:18:30 PM
Regarding face masks - as Bill has said - most surgical masks protect others from you, they do not protect you from others. You'd need N-95 or better masks to protect yourself from sick people - yesterday our local pharmacy was able to get a box of 12 for Jenna, so it isn't impossible ... yet, anyway.
Title: Re: That flu thing Billp is always trying to talk about
Post by: glitter on April 30, 2009, 07:19:45 PM
I got my mom a couple of boxes on amazon rated N95- they are not out yet-but if this rebounds more visiously in the fall-I'll bet there will be none to be had- better prepare now.
Title: Re: That flu thing Billp is always trying to talk about
Post by: Bill Peckham on April 30, 2009, 08:55:13 PM
Remember if you do use an N95 mask that outside is contaminated after you've worn it. It needs to be either thrown away or I think it could be reused, maybe, if you could leave it in direct sunlight for some period of time. Sunlight would disinfect it - I think this would allow some reuse.

Glitter I think you're right to be thinking about the fall/winter flu season. If this drops off the front page in the summer we might have a chance to buy some even if there are none to be found now.
Title: Re: That flu thing Billp is always trying to talk about
Post by: Zach on April 30, 2009, 09:01:44 PM
What about the eyes?

I know rubbing your eyes can spread the human flu, so are goggles necessary for better protection?

8)
Title: Re: That flu thing Billp is always trying to talk about
Post by: Bill Peckham on April 30, 2009, 09:14:35 PM
Wallyz's neck of the woods
Quote
Wash. doctor with potential swine flu saw 22 kids

Associated Press - April 30, 2009 8:43 PM ET

EVERETT, Wash. (AP) - A Washington state pediatrician who thought she was battling allergies saw 22 patients and their parents before testing positive for what is believed to be swine flu.

Dr. Yuan-Po Tu, medical director of The Everett Clinic, said Thursday the pediatrician tested positive for the flu, but the exact kind couldn't be determined and it was presumed to be swine flu.

A sample has been sent to federal officials, and the clinic is contacting any patients potentially exposed.

The doctor came to work Monday at the clinic's Mill Creek branch with symptoms she thought were due to seasonal allergies. Later, she fell ill and went to an emergency room.

Tu says the doctor's husband and two children also have come down with a flu-like illness but are doing well on antiviral treatment.

http://www.khq.com/global/story.asp?s=10283644
Title: Re: That flu thing Billp is always trying to talk about
Post by: Bill Peckham on April 30, 2009, 09:17:48 PM
What about the eyes?

I know rubbing your eyes can spread the human flu, so are goggles necessary for better protection?

8)

Don't rub your eyes (something I keep catching myself doing - it is allergy season)

Staff should wear a face shield and N95 mask if they're dialyzing someone with symptoms or who may have been exposed.

I know that some people included eye protection in their preparations but I think of that more for a high severity version - I think the severity determines how far I am going.
Title: Re: That flu thing Billp is always trying to talk about
Post by: BigSky on May 01, 2009, 06:29:01 AM
This is a great reason to secure our borders.

Remember when people use to come to america via ellis island.  If they were sick they were turned away or quarantined.
Obamas thoughts are.  Well it is here so why secure the borders.  Is he even for real??
With that kind of logic well nuff said.

They dropped the ball on this.  The person he has in charge of DHS is an idiot and this is just another in a line of incompetent actions on her part.

Title: Re: That flu thing Billp is always trying to talk about
Post by: Bill Peckham on May 01, 2009, 09:15:43 AM
I was expecting boarder closures at level 4 - but I always assumed ground zero would be in Asia or N Africa. This situation has turned a lot of planning assumptions on their head. One other assumption - because of the high severity H5N1 virus - is that a pandemic would be severe. If this bug, isn't causing severe illness I'm not sure you can justify the disruption that stopping and quarantining travelers would cause. Would you really want to keep tens of thousands of people isolated at the boarder when the bug causes mild illness? That is a very hard call to make. How many US vacationers were in Mexico in April? The first cases were identified in Mexico AND southern California, meaning the virus was already here.

We always would have needed to make it island N America, we can't shut the US boarders without quickly causing problems in the supply chain. I'm on the KCER calls, FMC mentioned that all their blood lines are manufactured in Mexico. All of the NxStage supplies come from Mexico. If you closed the boarders the dialysis providers would start facing shortages in critical supplies in a fairly short period of time (that's one question I never was able to get answered - how many days worth of dialysis tubing sets are there in the world? If FMC is using best practices in materials management then we're talking 8 t0 12 weeks.)

I don't think closing the boarder was ever a viable option.

Title: Re: That flu thing Billp is always trying to talk about
Post by: paul.karen on May 01, 2009, 09:37:44 AM
Closing the border = securing the border.  Supplies could still continue coming and going.  It is the Illegals i am referring to.  All other countries have secure borders. Where if you Illegally sneak into a country you go to jail and get deported.  Our borders should have been secured long ago.  After 9/11 they for sure should be secured.  But our great leaders would rather pander to  illegals then protect us from other issues that could arise from porous borders.  Terrorists being a great concern.  Politicians cry foul about guns and drugs yet again still refuse to close off the illegal routes used by certain people.  Does this not make politicians an accessory to crimes.

As for the flu.  yes it is here.  But if we contain it which would be good what is the use when anyone in Mexico who is sick can just walk into the USA knowing the will get free medical and infecting people on the way.

So if im reading you right you would be ok with not allowing people who would have to FLY into the USA. But people that can walk its ok?
And this flu isnt the H5N1, not sure if that was an example or a typo. The H refers to Bird flu if im correct.  I wonder if we would close the borders if this was a chemical attack killing people in a 24 hour period.  I hate to say some people would still be against closing the borders even if that were the case.  But i am happy to see you are open for closing borders under your definition of certain standards.  i just feel those circumstances mean illegal is illegal and terrorist is terrorist and contagions are contagions.

Curious when would closing the borders be viable in your opinion?

Ps.  this is another reason not to outsource jobs and put made in America labels on things we rely on.   We are to dependant for things from other countries.
This is purely my opinion..
Title: Re: That flu thing Billp is always trying to talk about
Post by: Bill Peckham on May 01, 2009, 10:00:03 AM
Closing the border = securing the border.  Supplies could still continue coming and going.  It is the Illegals i am referring to.  All other countries have secure borders. Where if you Illegally sneak into a country you go to jail and get deported.  Our borders should have been secured long ago.  After 9/11 they for sure should be secured.  But our great leaders would rather pander to  illegals then protect us from other issues that could arise from porous borders.  Terrorists being a great concern.  Politicians cry foul about guns and drugs yet again still refuse to close off the illegal routes used by certain people.  Does this not make politicians an accessory to crimes.

As for the flu.  yes it is here.  But if we contain it which would be good what is the use when anyone in Mexico who is sick can just walk into the USA knowing the will get free medical and infecting people on the way.

So if im reading you right you would be ok with not allowing people who would have to FLY into the USA. But people that can walk its ok?
And this flu isnt the H5N1, not sure if that was an example or a typo. The H refers to Bird flu if im correct.  I wonder if we would close the borders if this was a chemical attack killing people in a 24 hour period.  I hate to say some people would still be against closing the borders even if that were the case.  But i am happy to see you are open for closing borders under your definition of certain standards.  i just feel those circumstances mean illegal is illegal and terrorist is terrorist and contagions are contagions.

Curious when would closing the borders be viable in your opinion?

Ps.  this is another reason not to outsource jobs and put made in America labels on things we rely on.   We are to dependant for things from other countries.
This is purely my opinion..

No typo all the pandemic planning - or a great deal of the motivation to do pandemic planning came from worrying about the H5N1 virus which is still out there  - new cases were just reported in Egypt and Indonesia. This is the H1N1 and does not cause as severe illness as the H5N1. I think you have to consider severity when you are thinking what to do.

The H stands for a type of protein Hemagglutinin - think of this as the key that lets the virus into your cells. The N stands for another type of protein Neuraminidase - think of this as the key that lets the virus out of your cells. All flues have an H and an N protein - I think there are something like 9 known H proteins and 12 known N proteins - Any combination, in theory, could be a human flu virus. One seasonal flu is H3N2 - the 1957 Asian flu was caused by H2N2. The 1918 Spanish flu was an H1N1 which is now a seasonal flu but this H1N1 is different. It is possible that older people have some immunity to this version but that isn't yet clear.

If it was easy to secure the boarder that would have been done before now for other reasons. People travel between the US and Mexico, the economies are tied together. Turning this into an excuse for anti immigrant hatred does not make sense. The flu doesn't know what passport you have, one person spreading the flu on a flight and in an airport is going to spread this faster then some guy coughing his way across the boarder.

I think if this does start causing severe illness you will see travel restrictions within the US. To slow the spread.

Title: Re: That flu thing Billp is always trying to talk about
Post by: paul.karen on May 01, 2009, 10:25:15 AM
Bill i am agreeing with you as you are with me??

But please dont ever say im ANTI IMMIGRATION or that i have HATRED for immigrants.  Thats pretty rude from such a well spoken person as yourself IMO.
I am against ILLEGALS this is true.  Please get your facts straight if you are gonna try to paint an image of me ok.  I was raised over seas and i was the minority.  I have no hatred for anyone ok.  But i am not happy with Illegals sneaking into my country using our resources when thousands of others are trying to do it legally.  I hope we have that straight.

and YOU said you were expecting border closures at level 4.  So do you hate Africans and Asians??  No i didnt think so.

So your opinion yet again in your world is right and to anyone who opposes you is just wrong.

As for an easy way to secure your borders are you for real??  Every other country seems to be able to do it.  It is politics plain and simple.  One day we will secure the borders but it will be kinda late IMO.
Title: Re: That flu thing Billp is always trying to talk about
Post by: Wallyz on May 01, 2009, 10:46:42 AM
I think you are misinterpreting the data. It's not poor people who are spreading it, its, wealthy visitors who are flying in and out.  People who are sick are not able to make the trip on foot north.
Title: Re: That flu thing Billp is always trying to talk about
Post by: Bill Peckham on May 01, 2009, 10:49:56 AM
Someone's immigration status is not a factor. I'm in favor of closing the boarders if there was a high case fatality rate virus spreading abroad. Since it is spreading here it is a moot point.
Title: Re: That flu thing Billp is always trying to talk about
Post by: paul.karen on May 01, 2009, 10:59:21 AM
I agree Wally.
Thus we should have better checkpoints at the borders (the legal parts of the borders anyhows).  Where we could quarantine people if need be and get them any meds they may need.

And if i lived in Mexico and worked at a little corner food shanty.  And my baby son or daughter was sick i would think the best way to get treatment is to get into America where doctors are free and where the medicine is available.

The rich are the ones who travel this is true.  But the virus doesnt discriminate on who it attacks. And wally if your daughter/son was sick im sure you could get where you had to be if you wanted to.  Sick or not.

It isnt rich or poor and im not putting blame on anyone.  Heck Bill said at level four the borders should be shut down.  Am i wrong or are we at level 5.


Title: Re: That flu thing Billp is always trying to talk about
Post by: BigSky on May 01, 2009, 12:06:38 PM
If it was easy to secure the boarder that would have been done before now for other reasons. People travel between the US and Mexico, the economies are tied together. Turning this into an excuse for anti immigrant hatred does not make sense. The flu doesn't know what passport you have, one person spreading the flu on a flight and in an airport is going to spread this faster then some guy coughing his way across the boarder.

I think if this does start causing severe illness you will see travel restrictions within the US. To slow the spread.


It is your failure to acknowledge and discern between those that are legal immigrants, and those that are illegals that has led you to you trying to turn this into a debate about hate for anti immigrants when no such hate exists. 

As a whole, those for border security have no hate and want immigration law followed.  There is a huge difference between legal immigrants and those that are illegals and thereby criminals.

At the first signs of this the border should have been shut down.  That means only those who are not citizens are refused entry.  Those that are citizens would be checked as they came back.  Accommodations certainly could have been made and precautions taken to let trade continue.

This would have been a temporary measure to determine the severity of the outbreak.  Its always best to err on the side of caution in something like this.

 This failure will more than likely have repercussions with terrorism in the future.

The government has failed in its job.  Even more appalling is the recent commands from DHS that border workers are not to protect themselves by wearing masks.


In the end the media is probably over hyping this.  However the government should have been on top of this from the beginning instead of trying to play catchup and hoping it doesnt get worse.








Title: Re: That flu thing Billp is always trying to talk about
Post by: Bill Peckham on May 01, 2009, 03:48:22 PM
The Renal Support Network has guidelines up for people who have severe CKD
H1N1 Flu (Swine Flu) Recommendations for People With Kidney Disease (http://www.rsnhope.info/resources/emergency_preparedness_information.php)

People on dialysis should maintain their treatment schedule. Providers should provide dialysis in the unit; if you are showing symptoms you should expect to wear a surgical mask during your run.