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Off-Topic => Off-Topic: Talk about anything you want. => Topic started by: Epoman on December 30, 2006, 06:25:38 PM
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As you all know by now Saddam Hussein has been executed.
(http://www.ihatedialysis.com/images/saddam.jpg)
Here is a VIDEO of the execution:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7532034279766935521
Here is a story excerpt:
Former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein was executed Saturday morning for crimes against his people. Iraqi officials present at the hanging say Saddam went to his death a broken man, but showed no remorse for his actions. Holding the Muslim holy book, the Koran, and refusing a black hood, Saddam Hussein faced the same fate many common criminals suffered during his more than 20 years as Iraq's president. Shortly after 6 a.m. local time, the former strongman was hanged. The execution took place at a former military intelligence headquarters in Baghdad's Shi'ite neighborhood of Kazimiyah, outside the heavily fortified Green Zone. In video footage released on state-run al-Iraqiyah television, Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, who did not attend the hanging, is shown signing the execution order. The video then cuts to the scene of the execution, where five masked men are escorting a calm Saddam Hussein to the gallows. A black cloth is wrapped around his neck, but he is not hooded. His hands are tied behind his back and his legs are bound together. Two executioners put the large rope noose around his neck. The footage ends there. Iraqi National Security Advisor Moaffaq al-Rubaie, who witnessed the execution, said it was handled completely by the Iraqis, and no American witnesses were present. Rubaie told Iraqiyah state television that only Saddam was executed, because Iraqi officials wanted to make it a day only about him. Rubaie said they chose the execution time, just before sunrise, so it would occur before the official start of the Muslim holiday, Eid al-Adha, which marks the end of the pilgrimage to Mecca. Initial reports said two of Saddam's lieutenants had been hanged just after him, but Rubaie said this was not the case, and that Barzan al-Tikriti and Bawad al-Bandar would be executed after the Eid holiday.
Here is some information on Saddam Hussein:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Saddam_Hussein
So what is your opinion on this? I think he got off easy. He was responsible for the murder/torture of literally millions of people. Discuss?
- Epoman
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I know I will get beatten by the rest, but I don't believe in death penalty. Everytime man takes he live of others I believe is a shame. Now...eat me alive!
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I know I will get beatten by the rest, but I don't believe in death penalty. Everytime man takes he live of others I believe is a shame. Now...eat me alive!
You have every right to state your belief. :thumbup; I personally think the death penalty is the easy way out, I believe is HARD LABOR, NO PRIVLEGES, LIFE IN PRISON.
- Epoman
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Well I may not be politically correct-but WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWHHHHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO_HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
and Good frigen riddance!!!!!!! :clap; :clap; :clap; :clap; :clap; :clap; :beer1; :wine; :popcorn; :wine; :wine; :popcorn; :popcorn; :yahoo; :yahoo; :yahoo;
and thanks for the video link-I hadn't seen him swing!!!!! :thx; :thx;
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That is a disgusting video. :( I am not really pro-death penalty either.
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I'm wishy washy on this one - part of me thinks hanging was too good for him. He should have had to suffer a really long, miserable life in a rotten little cell, deprived of every freedom and luxury. Part of me thinks he got exactly what he deserved - a trial, a prompt sentence, and no messing around with umpteen appeals. Maybe I'm just hoping a few of the other nutso dictators, like North Korea's Kim Jong Il, will take notice and take warning.
Not being particularly religious myself, I usually am against any kind of death penalty. I don't see it as sending them to "meet their Maker" where they will receive some higher justice. I prefer the idea of the wrongdoer suffering in a lousy little cage for the rest of their life. In the American justice system, given the cost of appeals, it's actually cheaper to lock them up forever, anyhow.
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I think we should've put him in prison and let him be Big Bubba's Bitch!!! :o
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I think we should've put him in prison and let him be Big Bubba's Bitch!!! :o
Yeah!
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When I heard the actually hanged him today I was shocked. I thought for sure our system would let him go on living indefinitely, because that is what American justice does. But then it is Iraq and the laws and customs are different over there. Did his death make up for the lives he destroyed? Probably not. I hope he meets up with the Devil and becomes Big Bubba's roomate in hell! Absolute power corrupted him, before he became a dictator he actually was doing good things for his country of Iraq. But then the evil side came out and he did kill a lot of people.
In the end the world is probably a better place without him.
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It was too easy on him. Now where is Bin Laden.
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I know I will get beatten by the rest, but I don't believe in death penalty. Everytime man takes he live of others I believe is a shame. Now...eat me alive!
I couldn't agree more. The death penalty is barbaric and has no place in the civilized world IMHO. Hanging, in particular, strikes me as gruesome and medieval. Not that Saddam didn't deserve a gruesome punishment, only not that one.
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He deserved gruesome punishment, and what he got wasn't gruesome enough. As a veteran that served in the middle east and saw first hand the results of his actions and actually have met with the families and victims of his crimes he deserved far worse than he received. I know with my PTSD I will sleep easier knowing he got this fate but I wish he receive far worse. I will repent for these feelings later, but when you meet and see the victims of his crimes face to face it is hard not to wish worse than he received!
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I am Anti Death Penalty 100% but
here's the wierd part: I believe that executed person was NOT S.H. I believe he probably used plastic surgery long ago to make a number of perfect doubles for himself. He would never have been caught and certainly not in a little hole. So .... somebody was executed, but not The Man himself. I am not subject to conspiracy theories and do not enjoy being a Mary Contrary for the sake of contraryness alone. But, I've always believed the above since i heard he was captured.
Ellen
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I am Anti Death Penalty 100% but
here's the wierd part: I believe that executed person was NOT S.H. I believe he probably used plastic surgery long ago to make a number of perfect doubles for himself. He would never have been caught and certainly not in a little hole. So .... somebody was executed, but not The Man himself. I am not subject to conspiracy theories and do not enjoy being a Mary Contrary for the sake of contraryness alone. But, I've always believed the above since i heard he was captured.
Ellen
They did a DNA swab test.
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Great Video :popcorn; him swinging should have been front page picture in all news papers
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Yikes.... a DNA swab test.... Wow.... I didn't know.
WEll, anyhow... I am amazed. what was his DNA doing sitting around anyhow?
Okay, okay, I believe it now. thanks for info....
e :thx;
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The punishment handed out was what was merited in this case.
Saddam himself earned this punishment when he ruthlessly murdered innocent men, women. The worst of all he tortured and murdered the most innocent of Iraqi society---children.
Truly civilized societys do use the death penalty as they believe in natural law.
Punishment of death is reserved to those that commit the most heinous crime against natural law.
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He did not deserve to live after what he did to countless people.
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I watched the beginning of the video but I chickened out before he was hanged. I was watching the expressions on his face and I was thinking what he must have felt like knowing his death was imminent. I wonder if he thought of all the thousands of people he had tortured and killed, the women and children he had raped in his rape rooms in his palaces, the men and boys who had limbs amputated for sport for his perverse pleasure. This was an evil, bad man. I know he was executed for the crimes he was charged with in the trial but there was so much more he was responsible for. He had people beaten and whipped, tortured and maimed during his regime. And he didn't even blink an eye.
But you'd never know it seeing him on the gallows. He looked just like any other thug, powerless when it came down to justice finally being handed out. Know he know what it feels like to be on the other side of the rope, those minutes before you know you're going to die.
Donna
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God Gives life, let God take it away.
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God Gives life, let God take it away.
An "Eye for an Eye"? Think about it for a second.
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God Gives life, let God take it away.
An "Eye for an Eye"? Think about it for a second.
According to the bible, the very first murder when Cain killed Able, God sent Cain to wander the rest of his life. Eye for an Eye, was again mans decision, not Gods.
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God Gives life, let God take it away.
An "Eye for an Eye"? Think about it for a second.
According to the bible, the very first murder when Cain killed Able, God sent Cain to wander the rest of his life. Eye for an Eye, was again mans decision, not Gods.
Yes, but since Saddam wanted to play "GOD" and so easily take lives (Millions), he did not follow GODS laws so.... IMHO he should not be protected by GOD'S laws.
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God Gives life, let God take it away.
An "Eye for an Eye"? Think about it for a second.
According to the bible, the very first murder when Cain killed Able, God sent Cain to wander the rest of his life. Eye for an Eye, was again mans decision, not Gods.
Yes, but since Saddam wanted to play "GOD" and so easily take lives (Millions), he did not follow GODS laws so.... IMHO he should not be protected by GOD'S laws.
Its hard giving God full control, after all, being human does have its drawbacks. We want to see to believe. Ask Thomas.
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God Gives life, let God take it away.
An "Eye for an Eye"? Think about it for a second.
According to the bible, the very first murder when Cain killed Able, God sent Cain to wander the rest of his life. Eye for an Eye, was again mans decision, not Gods.
Yes, but since Saddam wanted to play "GOD" and so easily take lives (Millions), he did not follow GODS laws so.... IMHO he should not be protected by GOD'S laws.
Its hard giving God full control, after all, being human does have its drawbacks. We want to see to believe. Ask Thomas.
Touché JoePaul, I know I wish sometimes I wouldn't worry as much and remember that GOD is in control and I can't control what happens. Being human does indeed have it's drawbacks. ;)
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His god called him home in his own way.
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I think SH had to be executed as a symbol to end the past and to help the country and region move forward. If he was to remain alive he would always be there with what he stood for and giving hope to his followers.
The main point of the trial was to execute him, that is why they choose that particular case.
To have a slightly retrospective view and play devils advocate. With the war on Iraq that was approved by the US Congress and British Parliament. Innocent civilians have been killed in Iraq from the allied invasion. Do the Heads of State from these country's also go on trial for war crimes?
I am not against the death penalty for certain crimes.
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To have a slightly retrospective view and play devils advocate. With the war on Iraq that was approved by the US Congress and British Parliament. Innocent civilians have been killed in Iraq from the allied invasion. Do the Heads of State from these country's also go on trial for war crimes?
There will always be a certain amount of collateral damage in war-you go into it not being naive and thinking anything else-that isn't a war crime-but the cost of war.
Saddam Hussein was a murdering thug.he allowed his two psychopathic sons to shredder people in a giant wood chipper-feet first if they were really feeling annoyed at you.There are plenty of videos on the net showing his people cutting out peoples tongues,breaking arms for missions not carried out,amputations etc. (UTUBE) Not to mention all the recorded atrocities.
George Bush and his administration may be wrong,and dickheads to boot.....but that does not put them in the same league as that pig.
As an American,with members in my family having served,I can say with absolute conviction,no matter what the politics are,99% of our military ,to their best ability, cause no harm to innocent people,they try to protect them if they can,and sometimes die doing it.
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God Gives life, let God take it away.
But the bible also says to the affect that if one man kills another man then he shall be put to death for his offense.
To have a slightly retrospective view and play devils advocate. With the war on Iraq that was approved by the US Congress and British Parliament. Innocent civilians have been killed in Iraq from the allied invasion. Do the Heads of State from these country's also go on trial for war crimes?
No. Despite what many think, this war was indeed conducted and allowed to proceed by International Law and because of UN resolutions.
Only if the military was directed to specifically go out and kill innocent civilians on purpose can potential war crimes be charged. Collateral damage is not a war crime offense.
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They are reporting one of the witnesses told him "See you in hell" as they hung him. There will be a full investigation.
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Well, I just hope they don't make him to look like the victim.
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God Gives life, let God take it away.
An "Eye for an Eye"? Think about it for a second.
According to the bible, the very first murder when Cain killed Able, God sent Cain to wander the rest of his life. Eye for an Eye, was again mans decision, not Gods.
But this was Old Testament, before a position of deeper compassion and more intricate thinking was established.
I really am wrestling with the hanging thing: I think God gives life, so only He should take it away -- but while I feel guilty about it, I'm so relieved Saddam is gone! I think that's because at least this way, it seems settled. But I think the real victory was in seeing him in court, a miserable, helpless, powerless, pathetic little man. And I have no big problem with the death sentences that were given to Nazi leaders, either, although I think the greater cautionary tale was told by the guys who spent the rest of their lives in prison, isolated from the humanity they had chosen not to belong to anyway. I think such a punishment for Saddam would have been more effective overall, because he could have served a long time as an "audio-visual aid" for other power-mad lunatics, and suffered more while he was at it!
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Regardless that I am against death penalty, hanging is a brutal, medieval way of doing it...almost as medieval as dialysis >:D
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Regardless that I am against death penalty, hanging is a brutal, medieval way of doing it...almost as medieval as dialysis >:D
(http://www.ihatedialysis.com/images/page5.jpg)
;D >:D
But seriously, I agree it is a brutal way of putting someone to death, however have you seen some of the ways he tortured people? In my opinion he got of very, very, lucky. I would have suggested at the very least "STONING". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoning
- Epoman
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God Gives life, let God take it away.
An "Eye for an Eye"? Think about it for a second.
I think Ghandi said an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.
Donna
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well, I think he got off too easy.It's amazing how one person can be responsible for so much death.(b_sh).I had a brother in the first
gulf war and now my little brother is fighting in mosul. iraq. I served as well. There is nothing you could have done to him to pay
for everything he did. So lock and load and shoot at the targets downrange!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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well, I think he got off too easy.It's amazing how one person can be responsible for so much death.(b_sh).I had a brother in the first
gulf war and now my little brother is fighting in mosul. iraq. I served as well. There is nothing you could have done to him to pay
for everything he did. So lock and load and shoot at the targets downrange!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Absolutely.
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He did get off easy.
They should have first tortured him the exact same way as what he did to the people of Iraq before executing him.
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I think he should have been forced to serve those he committed crimes against. Paving roads, weeding gardens, cleaning toilets. Backbreaking labor for years.
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I think he should have been forced to serve those he committed crimes against. Paving roads, weeding gardens, cleaning toilets. Backbreaking labor for years.
If the Bible is correct, I believe God has plans for the "little man"
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Aside from the moral pros or cons, I think the real goof is that by having a hanging, with taunting, etc., he was made to look like a victim, which never should have happened. The guy was pure evil, and he managed to look like he was being picked on.
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I used to be against the death penalty, but then Ted Bundy killed one of my friends. I saw what her family went through, and still goes through, because of what he did. I saw what happened to the families of the other girls here in Utah that Bundy killed. One mother still leaves her porch light on every night because they never found her daughter's body and she wants the light on in case she comes home, even though she knows Bundy admitting to killing her over thirty years ago.
I've come to believe that while the death penalty is barbaric, it's the only option we have to deal with particularly heinous offenders. I know that I, and all my friends, were terrified when Bundy had been captured and then he escaped. We knew what had happened to our friend and we thought he could come back and it could happen to us. I know I breathed a sigh of relief the day he was executed, even though I had thought that I didn't believe in the death penalty.
I've read that many, many people in Iraq will feel the same way. That they are so afraid of Hussein that they will only feel safe with him dead. If it gives them peace after what they've been through, it seems like a small price to pay to have executed him.
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Shoot me now!! But they hung two working kidneys. >:D