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Dialysis Discussion => Dialysis: Spouses and Caregivers => Topic started by: dialysismomma on July 20, 2010, 04:26:32 AM
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Ok here is my question.. is random nausea normal? This morning he woke up at 430 am and he was very nauseated. He sat on the side of the bed burping for several mins and then ran to the bathroom to vomit and all he vomits up is bile. That disgusting yellow green stuff that smells horriable and taste even worse. I just dont know what to do to help him. We have phenagin but if he wakes up with nausea and vomits 5 mins later there is not enough time for it to work. I just worry about him so much when he get sick randomly and no one can give us answers to why it happens. So now he is back in bed asleep and here I am 3 hours later still awake because I cant sleep when I worry about him. OH this is going to be a long day.
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Frank also get random nausea & the nurses said it is part of kidney failure. It is scary I know.
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dialysismomma, being a carer is so scary, as you say when they are ill it is a worry.You do not say what kind of dialysis your man is on, is he on dialysis? Being sick and nauseous is a part of kidney failure your best bet is to have a word with your neph or doctor, there are things they can give you. Are all his bloods all right? I also lay in bed at night worrying, its a kin to listening to a new born baby, if my husband coughs which is regular, another thing with kidney failure, I am awake. If he moves or sits out of bed because he can not breath, I am awake, you would not be human if you did not worry.
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Billybags he is on home hemo. He has phenagrin for the nausea but most of the time it hits him so fast he has no time to take his pill. So I guess we have to deal with it
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It seems so. We, too, have seen this lovely yellow green stuff. Frequently the phenergan is unnecessary because, after throwing up, the nausea is gone.
Some identifiable causes for my brother are rapidly dropping bp such as at the beginning of dialysis, an empty stomach after sleeping, diabetes (gastroparesis), dirty blood (noticeable after the "three day weekend"), and the biggie - coughing until he throws up.
But, I cannot attribute all cases of nausea to one of these causes. Sometimes, for no obvious reason :puke; Random... we carry 1 gallon ziplock bags with us wherever we go.
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sounds about right, I vomit all the time when i was on hemo. I havent nearly as much since i started pd.
The bile vomits, i see mostly with bp issues. Random vomits from coughing too much, not getting good treatments, missing treatments, etc. Sometimes just happened too. Id sit there and be like WOAH vomit.
between the headaches and vomitting, i asked the dr, he said sometimes it happens and there is nothing to do .
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Hmm, sometimes Mike will randomly feel sick.. for 30 mins or so, then will dissapear. He never vomits though, but he has come close to.
He's on PD even :waiting;
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I too have this problem. However it comes on so suddenly and with no warning. I do notice that with movment it gets worce and all i can do is try to get ovr it and lay down until it goes away.Was not sure of the reason for it but im thinking it may have to do with meds im on too. Its just another part of living with kidney failure and has come part of the norm for me.
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Well, I am really glad this thread was started. I have had a couple of episodes of vomiting, even tho I am not on D yet. Mentioned it to my neph and he says there must be something else wrong, as vomiting is not part of the kidney disease. So, he told me to take Prilosec, which I did and two or three days later, saw the ad on Plavix on TV, which says, do not take Prilosec if you take Plavix. I am rapidly losing confidence in this Dr. and may have to change soon.
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jean, idk why he would say that, seeing u havent started D yet, thats when I was the worst. all the toxins are building up, thats probably why ur throwing up. When u start D u will probably stop doing it as much, unless ur not getting good treatments (which seems to be my problem) or from coughing so much i throw up, theres a few reasons we throw up due to dialysis lol
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My husband vomited the whole time he was on dialysis- and we had countless doctors tell us it had nothing to do with kidney failure, this is the only place we ever received validation that it seemed to be just part of the disease of kidney failure. I printed of some old threads about this subject and gave them to his neph. Jack was hospitalized for vomiting over 20 times the first year, after that it settled down and he only vomited once or twice a day. He actually got used to dealing with it.
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Hubby had significant vomiting of bile when he was on in-center hemo but it has lessened with home hemo. He still does but it seems more like it's when his BP is out of whack.
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its "funny" to me that all these nephs seem to say its not related to kf... I think the doctors are really... daft.
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My husband vomits often too. from having kidney failure and I think sometimes right after he takes his morning meds. Bile is usually thrown up after there is nothing left in your system to digest. It's really gross, but not necessarily meaning there is a complication from vomiting bile. Bile is stored in the Gall Bladder. Be sure to let the Dr. know all this though as they know your husband's medical history best. Seems though, vomiting & kidney failure go to together. I think it may have to due withthe factthat vomiting is often our bodies response to ridding something. Too much alcohol, a "bad" food, etc.. In your case, unwanted toxins in the blood. It is not pleasent and I certainly hope you can find a way to deal with this. Check all your pills and see if any of them have to taken on a full stomach. That may be the culprit.
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TS's last line is an important one, it reminded me that my bottle of Levothroid (thyroid hormone) states quite clearly on the label "take on empty stomach". I believe that food acts as a binder and it won't be absorbed into the system if taken with food or a not empty stomach......
Tom
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I've never vomited, but I do have nauzea. I take zofran because in my oppinion it's better then phenergan as far as zofran doesn't make you feel loopy and stuff like phenergan does.
Troy
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phenogrin is terrible, it makes me uber tired, and gives me the WORST case of rls known to man. Id rather vomit than have RLS!
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What are all these meds you guys are talking about?
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Have to love this site. I do not usually throw up. Today I have not been feeling well. I threw up a bunch of bile and it concerned me so I googled kidney failure and throwing up bile and it took me right to this thread. I knew I should have just checked here first.
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YLGuy, I love it . Fancy googling when you can have your pick of " budding nephs and nurses" on here. Shame on you!!!!!!!!!!!! :bandance;
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:oops;
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Sorry to be the prophet of doom. Sound about right.
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See this is strange - I've thrown up exactly once since starting D in 2006 - and that was in 2007 and I am almost certain it was something dodgy I ate. Sometimes I feel a bit sick in the stomach, but I've been lucky that I've never been that sick while on the machine (I threw up at home) or anything like that. I have to say also on my shft in the unit it's pretty rare for anyone to throw up, though it has happened - usually with acute/new patients.
Does that mean that throwing up is related to KD? I think it might well be that some forms of kidney failure, linked with specific medications, perhaps cause the vomtiing. I too have never heard of some of these meds you guys are on - because I'm just not on them - and that may definitely relate to what you're going through.
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I posted on another thread and was referred to this one. Its good to know that my sporadic vomiting puts me in good company. I have had the dry heaves and/or vomiting on both PD and in center D. It seems some what related to indigestion. I tried prilosec but that was useless. FYI my acupuncturist says that my digestion issues are directly related to my kidney failure. According to Chinese medicine the "middle burner" which is responsible for metabolizing fluids gets over loaded and the digestion gets overwhelmed and reverses. I do notice that I am more likely to up chuck after drinking something cold - like ice tea - which goes with the Chinese medicine view that cold is counter productive as this also suppresses the middle burner. I cant say i am a professional on this topic but it all makes sense - certainly more than what your average neph would say....
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I always feel nauseated in the mornings, it's like morning sickness when you're pregnant !! It wears off tho - I am pre-dialysis. My neph always asks me if I have started vomiting yet!!
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i wake up everymorning nauseous, but after a few hours, around lunchtime it wears off and im starving... im on PD so breakfast doesnt exist for, which is ok bc i dnt like most breakfast foods anyway and its better for me not to eat ceral bc of that damned phosphorus. My dietician would prefer that i eat more thn 1 meal a day but i guess i graze
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I have been on Prilosec for a couple of years, 40mg twice a day (which is a high dose, insurance only covers half, but I need 40 or I get sick). If I don't take it, I puke. My gastro and I think maybe a have a sliding hiatal hernia, which you don't really treat unless it's really bad and you can't breathe...so now I'm wondering if the kidney disease has anything to do with my gi problems, or if I just have more to look forward to? I am also still just pre-d.. I wonder how it would affect that? And I believe that Chinese medicine stuff--I was getting patchy eyebrows, and looked it up, and they say that's a problem with your pancreas or something, and sure enough, I had gallbladder and pancreas problems.
:beer1;
just kidding, that's the last thing nauseous people with kidney disease need. I just never get to use that emoticon!
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I always feel nauseated in the mornings, it's like morning sickness when you're pregnant !! It wears off tho - I am pre-dialysis. My neph always asks me if I have started vomiting yet!!
I felt this way for years and it was acid reflux. Empty stomach makes it worse. In middle school, I would dry heave in the morning. Didn't go to gastro until I started choking on food at 28 years old. I don't know if kidney disease causes acid reflux/GERD or what, but you CAN have more than one thing wrong with you. Doctors forget that. But then, I'm pre-d, maybe it is just the "progression of the disease" and I'm a little behind/not on Dialysis yet.
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I too am glad to hear I'm not the only one with this problem.....I swear my body thinks I'm preggers and insists on having morning sickness everyday for about 3 hours, after that I can eat everything in sight (only dialysis friendly, I swear) but mornings are horrid. I use Medicinal Marijuana when I'm not working and that helps a lot but of course I can't drive or go to work when I'm "medicated". One would think that not eating in the AM would lead to weight loss...hahahaha...not happening...I eat enough in the PM for me, you and the guy next door. :rofl;
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@JustDee - wow your transplant team must be very progressive - I think I would get kicked off the list if i was using medical marjijuana....
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if medical mari is available to you, the transplant clinics usually allow it, i think... i know of a few people who living in areas where its legal to have it, and also on tx lists...
around here, illinois, its not yet legal, so you cant smoke it and be on a list. unfortunately!
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Just saw this thread. Out of those who have had problems with vomiting, are many of you on calcium beta blockers, such as Amlodipine? I am having the same issue. Have appt. With nephrologist on Monday, while researching this drug that all the many doctors I see said have no side effects related to indigestion or nausea, however after looking up info on calcium beta blockers was informed that the upper esophageal sphincter may be relaxed by this drug causing heartburn and vomiting. I don't understand how I can find solutions in minutes over the Internet while spending months and hundreds of dollars on doctors that apparently have no clue about the meds they are prescribing.
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Well, I am really glad this thread was started. I have had a couple of episodes of vomiting, even tho I am not on D yet. Mentioned it to my neph and he says there must be something else wrong, as vomiting is not part of the kidney disease.
What? Vomiting is absolutely part of kidney disease. Especially in Stage 4 and 5. It's literally #1 or #2 on all the charts that describe possible symptoms. Is your nephrologist just some guy who wandered in in a lab coat and Grouch glasses?
When I was in Stage 4-5 and before dialysis, I was vomiting ALL THE TIME. I'd be late to work because I'd be out dry-heaving in the lilac bushes when I took my dog out in the mornings.
Now I'm on dialysis, it's just every now and then. It seems to happen most often when I've overdone it on the salt.
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Ask you dietician first, Juniah, but I have read that diluting some apple cider vinegar in water will help with the acid reflux. Don't ask me why it works, because it is acidic, but I have some friends that treat acid reflux with it and it does work.
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My husband gets queasy in the car a lot, at home sometimes. Peppermint candy really seem to help him. We've gotten where I keep them in my pocket, his pocket, my purse, the pocket in the door of the car, his dialysis bag....etc. :2thumbsup;
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Don't ask me why it works, because it is acidic
Although vinegar and lemon juice are acidic in the bottle (or lemon), they are both metabolized as alkaline. I know it's counterintuitive, but true.
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This thread brings up so many things.
Wife has had a long history of acid reflux. Dr has had her on those purple pills seems like forever. Ins Co's lobbied FDA and finaly caved in making many of those purple pills OTC so the Ins Co wouldn't have to pay out near as much as they used to.
Wife's acid reflux would boil up and spill over into her airway. This caused scarring and a 'donut' of scar material to grow and restrict her airway. Quack Dr we used to have diagnosed her with ashma, gave her a bunch of pills and an inhaler that never did a thing. She lived with this for far too many years until I got mad and changed Dr's. Loved the new Dr and after nagging her for months, she also switched. Her very first visit to the new Dr, he was listening to her chest, heard sounds, and started raising the stethascope listening higher and higher, until her was listening to her neck immediately below her voicebox. Sent her to a throat specialist. Ended up having surgery removing the 'donut' and in recovery found she could breath perfectly again. Morale of this story, if you have acid reflux go see an ENT and check out your throat.
Years ago Dr's found that 'valve' in the stomach leaked in a lot of people, causing this acid reflux. It was reparable in many cases. With the advent of the purple pills Dr's have seldom resorted to surgery.
Licorice jelly beans work well for me to cure a 'sour' or upset stomach.
I've been on dialysis for 4 years now and fortunately for me, have never had an upset stomach.
I must be Blessed. I have no other explanation.
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those purple pills
Be careful with those purple pills and all the GERD pills. They increase the risk of kidney failure.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/common-heartburn-drugs-linked-with-kidney-disease/
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Hubby has dreadful nausea....bile...icky. We have had every test known to man...cannot find a reason, so assume it's the kidney issues. Doesn't seem to be better or worse after dialysis...and yes...it seems to be a morning thing 99% of the time. Once in a while, he'll have an entire day of feeling really crappy. He's frustrated...I'm frustrated. It's bad enough to have to deal with dialysis (we are home dialysis, so it affects both of us!), but for him to feel awful most of the time just doesn't seem fair.
He has used prilosec....and other "heartburn" meds...they worked 3 years ago, but no longer. Now, he's on an "anti-nausea" pill....it helps, but doesn't "cure". A kidney is what he needs.
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Is he on a HD catheter (line)? I had nausea (among other symptoms), turned out that my tubes were to blame. New line (catheter) fixed that.
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PS My sister had similar symptoms about 16 years ago. Your husband isn't pregnant is he?
:)