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Dialysis Discussion => Dialysis: F.A.Q. (Frequently Asked Questions) => Topic started by: goofynina on October 09, 2006, 06:36:13 PM
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:banghead; about 3 weeks ago i went to a Support Group, k, the guest speaker talked about Phosphorus in a way that scared the bejeezes out of me so needless to say, i have been taking my binders faithfully and even taking extras just for caution. Well, guess what? my labs came back today and it said my Phosphorus was (are you sitting down) 9.3,,, HOW CAN THAT BE?? When i wasnt taking them faithfully and eating all that i am not supposed to eat it was only 7.2, Now, i cut all the foods and take about 10 binders a day and this is what happens?? Can anyone tell me why? WHY? WHY? :banghead;
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You might be eating something high and you do not know it or its possible you are eating too much PO4 at one time and causing an overload of it to where the binders cannot handle it.
You can try eating smaller meals but more of them. Instead of 3 or so move to 6. This way it spreads the PO4 out more. Personally I take 1 binder for every 150 mg of PO4. This way I adjust from meal to meal just how many binders I take with each meal.
Go to dietpower.com and download the free software or order the free trial cd. It should be good for two weeks before it locks you out. It is very helpful.
It sucks :(but measure/weigh everything you eat and then input it into the program. Throughout the day and at each days end you can see a rough amount of how much PO4 you are taking in.
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Is PO4 Phosphorous??
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Is PO4 Phosphorous??
Yes ... PO4 is phosphorus. ;)
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Thank GOD because I can never spell it right! Now I can just say PO4. ;D
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My phosphorus level jumped this time too, to a 9.2.
Seems like nothing was different in my eating.
She increased my phoslo as I was on 6 daily and that did not allow for snacks, etc.
so she increased it to 10 a day to allow for snacks, etc. hope that helps.
I know I am to limit milk products but don't actually know how much phosphorus
is too much or what other than milk and colas are high in phos.
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Hi Buckeye,
I have created a new thread with some information on foods with higher phosphate content in the Diet Section.
Cheers
Alasdair
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Hi Buckeye,
I have created a new thread with some information on foods with higher phosphate content in the Diet Section.
Cheers
Alasdair
Thanks Alasdair! :2thumbsup; :thx;
Is PO4 Phosphorous??
Yes ... PO4 is phosphorus. ;)
Is that because it is pronounced phos 4 us?? ???
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Ohio Buckeye - Try Rice Dream (Original not Enriched) on you cereal instead of milk. If you do buy milk, get the Vitamin D homogenized, not the skim or 1 or 2%. Believe it or not but whole milk has less PO4 than skim. Doesn't seem right does it??
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Is that because it is pronounced phos 4 us?? ???
It is not really PO4; it is PO4, which is a chemical formula. It sounds like one molecule of phosphorus with 4 molecules of oxygen which makes phosphate (I think, scratching my decades-old chemistry memories)
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Ohio Buckeye - Try Rice Dream (Original not Enriched) on you cereal instead of milk. If you do buy milk, get the Vitamin D homogenized, not the skim or 1 or 2%. Believe it or not but whole milk has less PO4 than skim. Doesn't seem right does it??
WOW I did NOT know that! I have been buying 2% because I don't want to gain weight :-[
Thanks Rerun!! :thx;
Is that because it is pronounced phos 4 us?? ???
It is not really PO4; it is PO4, which is a chemical formula. It sounds like one molecule of phosphorus with 4 molecules of oxygen which makes phosphate (I think, scratching my decades-old chemistry memories)
Ah that makes sense! Thanks Baj! :thx;
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It's better to always use a full-fat dairy product because the fat replaces some of the phosphorus. Not all, so we still need those binders. :-\
Think of cream cheese, soft goat cheese, brie, whole milk, 8% cottage cheese.
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How do you get the 4 down there? PO
4 :o
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How do you get the 4 down there? PO
4 :o
PO4 Like that? Just use the "sub" tags PO[sub]4[/sub]
;)
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How do you get the 4 down there? PO
4 :o
PO4 Like that? Just use the "sub" tags PO[sub]4[/sub]
;)
And how you get that sub code is this (http://ihatedialysis.com/forum/Themes/default/images/bbc/sub.gif)button when you are making your post ;)
(see attatchment)
It's better to always use a full-fat dairy product because the fat replaces some of the phosphorus. Not all, so we still need those binders. :-\
Think of cream cheese, soft goat cheese, brie, whole milk, 8% cottage cheese.
Ya see I get confused! I mean ... I hear some cheeses are okay but others aren't! How do I know? I really love cheese but I have such a fear now of screwing up that I don't touch any cheese cept about once a month just after all blood work is done ;) :-[ :-\
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Thanks for all that helpful info.
I always eat 2pc milk, cheese and lowfat cottage cheese.
I did not know that it was higher in phos. than regular.
That is quite a surprise!
So which is worse for a person then, high fat or high phos.?
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Wow! It's my first day here and I've already learned a lot.
Russ :clap;
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So which is worse for a person then, high fat or high phos.?
That's the conundrum!
:beer1;