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Dialysis Discussion => Dialysis: General Discussion => Topic started by: mikey07840 on February 19, 2009, 08:01:26 PM
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This should be interesting. They brought Dr. John Carter back to the show tonight. In the last scene of the night, we see him connected to a dialysis machine.
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"and next week a "painful secret is revealed" as he wraps up his access..
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Interesting. . .
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My nurse told me about this show, she said the dialysis machines were Phoenix, the same brand as what we have
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I've watched ER for the whole 15 years it's been on, I've seen them do dialysis stories and transplant stories and they've been fairly accurate/ More accurate than a lot of other TV shows, actually. Anyway, one of the original doctors, Noah Wylie (Dr John Carter) has returned for the final season of the show. He was in Africa doing work for a Doctors Without Borders type of organization. So now he's back in Chicago and during the show it wan't made clear why he's returned but he asked to be given priviliges and work there part time. So the last minutes of the show you see him walking around, in the dark, sitting by himself at times. Then all of a sudden you see the inside of a dialysis clinic, it's kinda dark and dismal. Older people, everyone looking miserable. Then you see him sitting there with him on dialysis! He has a fistula or a graft, you can see the place on the arm where the tubing was taped down.
I'm going to watch from now on just to see how accurately they portray dialysis and its effects on people. If I see something I know is innacurate or just not right (you know the media) I'm going to e-mail NBC. Millions and millions of people are going to watch this last season and most of these people have no idea about dialysis and I see this as a good teaching tool for us to enlighten people about what it's REALLY like.
Anyone else with me? ER is on Thursday nights at 10PM est. This is a great opportunity for us all on dialysis to teach people who were never exposed to it. You can go to the ER message boards on NBC.com, the ER newsgroup at google.com, wherever people talk about the show online.
Donna :bandance;
Edited: Topics merged - okarol/admin
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As my mom said... "I wonder how many people this week knew that was dialysis?"
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When they first panned in I thought it was plasmapherisis because of how slow the blood pump was spinning.
Looks like he was running a blood flow of 180 or 190. Looks like he has a graft.
Show is on Hulu.com Dialysis scene is just before the 42minute mark.
http://www.hulu.com/watch/58592/er-the-beginning-of-the-end
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..it's kinda dark and dismal. Older people, everyone looking miserable. ...
Actually the scene looked pretty good.
I dialyze on the evening shift where most people are healthier and younger (some come from work or school).
If you ask, the staff will dim the lights.
8)
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I thought it looked pretty realistic...it seemed like one patient was watching TV, another was reading (I was usually in a recline, trying to sleep). Have you ever noticed that a lot of the scenes on that show are dark?
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When they first panned in I thought it was plasmapherisis because of how slow the blood pump was spinning.
Looks like he was running a blood flow of 180 or 190. Looks like he has a graft.
Show is on Hulu.com Dialysis scene is just before the 42minute mark.
http://www.hulu.com/watch/58592/er-the-beginning-of-the-end
Awww crap, its only viewable in the States
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Thx Big Sky for the link. Does do justice to sitting in that chair. I will definitely record ER next week to see what all happens.
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Does do justice to sitting in that chair. I will definitely record ER next week to see what all happens.
I think we all know that stare.
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When they first panned in I thought it was plasmapherisis because of how slow the blood pump was spinning.
Looks like he was running a blood flow of 180 or 190. Looks like he has a graft.
Show is on Hulu.com Dialysis scene is just before the 42minute mark.
http://www.hulu.com/watch/58592/er-the-beginning-of-the-end
Awww crap, its only viewable in the States
Awww crap x2 We don't even have ER screening here at the moment. I love ER but we are probably a year behind.
Anyone tape it?? 8)
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Here's a screen capture. From here it continues until it is tight head shot
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When they first panned in I thought it was plasmapherisis because of how slow the blood pump was spinning.
Looks like he was running a blood flow of 180 or 190. Looks like he has a graft.
Show is on Hulu.com Dialysis scene is just before the 42minute mark.
http://www.hulu.com/watch/58592/er-the-beginning-of-the-end
Awww crap, its only viewable in the States
Awww crap x2 We don't even have ER screening here at the moment. I love ER but we are probably a year behind.
Anyone tape it?? 8)
If you go to nbc.com they have the show there you can watch.
Donna
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ER is on!!!!
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I watched ER last night, and while there wasn't much about dialysis in the show, I LOL'ed when Carter freaked out that other doctor about donating a kidney... accually Andrew and I both BURST out laughing! >:D
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I liked it too, good dialysis humor.
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curtain between patients ???
in a bed ???
with no bright lights ???
it is television
well, maybe it is not a bed but it looks a lot better than chairs I use
and it looks like the third patient has a flat screen television
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In the 2 centers where I dialysed, there were curtains between chairs, flat screen individual TVs and the ability to turn off overhead lights. Both were owned by a non-profit hospital.
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here is a pic of my unit, we have flat screen tv's and curtins between each chair... we don't close them much though
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When they first panned in I thought it was plasmapherisis because of how slow the blood pump was spinning.
Looks like he was running a blood flow of 180 or 190. Looks like he has a graft.
Show is on Hulu.com Dialysis scene is just before the 42minute mark.
http://www.hulu.com/watch/58592/er-the-beginning-of-the-end
Awww crap, its only viewable in the States
Awww crap x2 We don't even have ER screening here at the moment. I love ER but we are probably a year behind.
Anyone tape it?? 8)
If you go to nbc.com they have the show there you can watch.
Donna
Only if you are in America! They will not stream it to a country where it has not gone to air yet. So Kim and I have to wait...... and wait....... and wait.....
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If you can't wait, Bill Peckham has the spoiler and some background info:
http://www.billpeckham.com/from_the_sharp_end_of_the/2009/02/er-dr-john-carters-prognosis.html#more
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If you can't wait, Bill Peckham has the spoiler and some background info:
http://www.billpeckham.com/from_the_sharp_end_of_the/2009/02/er-dr-john-carters-prognosis.html#more
The only inconsistency I saw was he said he used a shunt for dialysis--I asked my nephro when he did rounds and he a shunt would never be used for dialysis.
Donna
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I think your doctor may have been thinking of another type of shunt.
Shunts are used for dialysis, however they are not all that common anymore.
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The only inconsistency I saw was he said he used a shunt for dialysis--I asked my nephro when he did rounds and he a shunt would never be used for dialysis.
Donna
I remember my Dad having a Bovine Shunt in the early 80's.
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It is so rare to have Dialysis depicted honestly on television or in movies, I applaud ER for attempting to portray it properly.
I am intrigued to watch the end of ER's run to see if suddenly, hey, he gets an immediate kidney transplant and everything is fine (I'm talking to you "Nip/Tuck")
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Well, on the episode before the dialysis episode, there was a patient that was on the heart transplant list for less than 24 hrs. So, it wouldn't surprise me if Carter gets one superman quick.
Did anyone else notice how much gauze he put on his arm when it was leaking?!? It was atleast one roll!
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Oh, heck, they always get the transplants right away on tv - it's the no-wait waiting list in Hollywood.
Fiction in general gets it wrong, though - remember "My Sister's Keeper" by Jodi Picoult? They all like neat little endings tied up with bows.
And when have you ever seen a fictional character have a problem with a transplant?
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curtain between patients ???
in a bed ???
with no bright lights ???
it is television
well, maybe it is not a bed but it looks a lot better than chairs I use
and it looks like the third patient has a flat screen television
Since he works at a hospital, I guarantee that's where he is dialyzing. That's exactly what my hospital clinic is like. Most of the patients are in beds (because they are hospital patients), there are curtains between every station and the lights are turned off if you want them to be. Each station is fairly separate, so the lights from one don't affect another very much.
ER is so accurate because they have doctors and other medical professionals that are consultants and work with the writers.
It is so rare to have Dialysis depicted honestly on television or in movies, I applaud ER for attempting to portray it properly.
I am intrigued to watch the end of ER's run to see if suddenly, hey, he gets an immediate kidney transplant and everything is fine (I'm talking to you "Nip/Tuck")
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March 05, 2009
ER: Is Dr. Carter going to die?
By Anna Bennett
Even though March 12th is World Kidney Day, March really is World Kidney Month. We are seeing mainstream press write about dialysis, kidney failure and transplant. CKD5 is in in prime time, watched by millions of people who are emotionally attached to the character played by Noah Wyle, Dr. John Carter. In tonight's third episode "What we do" of the Carter is sick story line, he is back, has revealed that he is in kidney failure due to prior trauma and amyloidosis secondary to chronic inflammation from Schistosomiasis. He is back in Chicago, and waiting on the UNOS list for a deceased donor kidney. We covered all of this is our prior posts. (3/7 episode SPOILERS after the jump)
Tonight, Carter passed out while treating patients in the ER. As his coworkers treat him, more people are now aware of his condition. His incenter runs are 3x a week for 4 hours. (he would have been so much healthier at home on NxStage) Wow, while he is being treated, Carter tells Gates to summon his Nephrologist from another hospital (Northwestern). (Now that can only be on TV)
The John Stamos character, Dr. Tony Gates covers transplant options, questioning the length of the UNOS wait time, offering County's paired donor program in which a non matching donor is matched to another recipient, and that recipient's donor is matched to Dr. Carter - the first of these transplant chains was done in NY.
Dr. Carter could not tell his wife what was going on with him medically. His withdrawal and fear of rejection is common, but it cost him the love and support of the woman he loves. Dialysis is depressing, scary, and some people choose to be scared in silence. But the depression can be treated.
ER is really doing transplant a favor. They are trying to cover a lifetime of disease and waiting in a few episodes. Tonight, the character of Sam Taggert (Linda Cardellini) is waiting for a transplant flight (a heart).
Carter was not able to summon his nephrologist (hah a bit of real life there!) and he is in the stretcher being transferred to NorthWestern.
The show ends with Carter turning off an alarm, and speaking to the camera. I have a feeling that we'll have him around for a while.
http://www.billpeckham.com/from_the_sharp_end_of_the/2009/03/er-is-dr-carter-going-to-die.html
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Ok, the writers have completely lost touch with reality! There is no way in hell you could be on dialysis without your spouse knowing about it!! I mean, come on! The big ol' chest cath, fistula or graft would kind of give it away. :banghead; :banghead; :banghead;
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Good point!
Maybe they have separate bedrooms?
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Ok, the writers have completely lost touch with reality! There is no way in hell you could be on dialysis without your spouse knowing about it!! I mean, come on! The big ol' chest cath, fistula or graft would kind of give it away. :banghead; :banghead; :banghead;
It is because his wife in Paris visiting her parents when this happened.
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Thanks Big Sky! How long was she gone (can you tell I haven't watched??)
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The impression I got was she went to Paris and John was still in Africa and then had his problems and returned to the US to undergo dialysis and get onto the transplant list. They really havent said much about the wife or even showed her.
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The one thing that I saw that is off is that the Fire Department Medic One is not going to be transferring people between hospitals. At the end he is being sent to a different hospital (not sure why that would be or why he needed to spend the night) if that had to be done they would use a private ambulance company not the FDC Medic One unit he was shown to be riding in.
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Apparently the wife is a completely clueless. I mean, how do you explain suddenly up and leaving the country without your spouse knowing? Their communication skills suck.
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they weren't in the same country to begin with.
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I'm going to watch "The Medium" tonight and see if she has all the answers. :o
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Then go on the Ghost Whisperer and see what she has to say!
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"The Mentalist" might have something to offer as well. :o
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:rofl; :rofl; :rofl; :rofl; Zach....you have all the answers! :rofl; :rofl; :rofl; :rofl;
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I propose a new TV drama: The Renalist.
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With a four and a half hour show three days a week - you could cover a lot of ground.
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I'll tune in for that! :rofl;
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:clap; :clap; :rofl;
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I'm not a big TV fan (guess that will change when I start dialysis). One woman I know who lives by television told the yesterday that she could not understand why I'm so concerned about this new stage of my life. After all, she tells me, Dr. (?) Noah Wylie on ER dialysis and then works a full shift at the hospital. I'm still a little concerned (lol) however since I try to distinguish betwen fiction and reality (even though is may be good fiction.
OK, I'll try and watch it Hope is has a good laugh track.
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I'm not a big TV fan (guess that will change when I start dialysis). One woman I know who lives by television told the yesterday that she could not understand why I'm so concerned about this new stage of my life. After all, she tells me, Dr. (?) Noah Wylie on ER dialysis and then works a full shift at the hospital. I'm still a little concerned (lol) however since I try to distinguish betwen fiction and reality (even though is may be good fiction.
OK, I'll try and watch it Hope is has a good laugh track.
Oh MY GOD! Your neighbor needs a reality check or a whack upside the head! :Kit n Stik;
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That kidney was from UW. In this region I have been primary on the last two Kindey Pancreas pairs. THAT WAS MY FRICKEN KINDEY, YA JERK!
;D
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my mom had a good question this morning- how many people called northwestern (my transplant center!) and told the coordinator they didn't want their transplant at that hospital anymore because the doctor didn't know what he was doing during the surgery on ER?
a few, i bet.
I noticed on the episode they say that the kidney was going to go to spokane, but the receipient had a cold so it was going to chicago instead. but the doctor had cardiac arrest the day before and was in the hospital! the kidney would've skipped him too, right?
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The cardiac arrest was only caused by high K.
It would be up to his transplant center to make the determination if the surgery was ok to proceed or not.
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It was a nice oppurtunity for my kids to ask questions about my experience.
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It was a nice oppurtunity for my kids to ask questions about my experience.
This is such a fantastic opportunity for education! :bow;
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I propose a new TV drama: The Renalist.
I think that handsome guy would have a huge fan club! Even more than Clooney had on ER.
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I propose a new TV drama: The Renalist.
I would watch that show! I love Clooney, but he would take a back seat to our Zach!! :2thumbsup;
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Thank you, thank you!! :-*
I see the main character as a "Columbo" type. But instead of investigating only murders, he looks out for people on dialysis--investigating the issues in-center and out of center.
The first episode is entitled, 'Upon what meat doth this our Caesar feed?"
About a renal dietitian's suicide. Or maybe it was MURDER!
8)
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Maybe she choked to death on her smiley face stickers? Death by lab report. . .
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Maybe she choked to death on her smiley face stickers? Death by lab report. . .
:rofl;
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We don't get stickers. Hell, we have to actually request to get a copy of our labs!
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Clooney as Dr. Doug Ross returns to 'E.R.', world survives
By Jeff Thomas
From Mercury News wire reports
Posted: 03/13/2009 10:29:10 PM PDT
The once and future world's sexiest man added some sizzle to one of the final episodes of "E.R." Thursday night when movie star George Clooney returned to the show he left 10 years ago.
Dr. Doug Ross had settled down with Nurse Carol Hathaway (Julianna Margulies) at a hospital in Seattle. They teamed up to persuade a grandmother played by Susan Sarandon to donate the organs of her grandson. One of those organs, the kidney, went to "some doctor in Chicago," Hathaway said. Neither she nor Ross knew the transplant patient was their old colleague John Carter, played by fellow "ER" original Noah Wyle. More drama to follow! The finale of the NBC drama is scheduled for April 2.
Thursday's understated episode, considering how they could have gone over the top with the Clooney appearance, was written and produced by "ER" executive producer John Wells, and was a reminder of the show's glory days.
"Let's hope we didn't bring all of these people out here for nothing," Clooney's character said to a group of people waiting to transport donated organs. He may as well have been speaking to audience members tuning in to "ER" for the first time in years.
During its peak, in the 1995-96 season, "ER" was the most popular show on television and averaged 32 million viewers a week. To put that in perspective, only one entertainment program — ABC's broadcast of the Academy Awards — has gathered more than 32 million viewers this entire
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"ER" was TV's No. 1 show for three seasons and, as late as 2000-01, was the top-rated scripted series.
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Oh give me a freakin' break!! So much for the realistic aspect of ER!! :banghead; :banghead; :banghead;
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I've got to hand it to the writers for doing a decent job of depicting what it's like getting people to donate organs. I figure maybe it will touch people enough to get them to at least sign their organ donor cards. I have quite a few friends who tell me they would never sign an organ donor card because of fear physician's would "jump the gun." The episode showed how medical people establish brain death and how one person's organs effected so many lives. Personally, I think cadaver kidney donation is an untapped and underutilized source.
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Thank you, thank you!! :-*
I see the main character as a "Columbo" type. But instead of investigating only murders, he looks out for people on dialysis--investigating the issues in-center and out of center.
The first episode is entitled, 'Upon what meat doth this our Caesar feed?"
About a renal dietitian's suicide. Or maybe it was MURDER!
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I'd watch that - maybe the dietitian had a secret salt habit. Death by salted herring.
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I'd watch that - maybe the dietitian had a secret salt habit. Death by salted herring.
:rofl; :rofl; :rofl;
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I'm sorry, but I feel cheated by ER's handling of a Dialysis patient.
Episode 15, Dr. Carter returns to start Dialysis. Honest portrayal, kudos.
Episode 16, Dr. Carter falls ill while working in the ER. Realitstic portrayal, much applause.
Epiisode 17, Dr. Carter gets a kidney from some young kids who dies. What? Are you kidding me? Three episodes and he already has a kidney.
Once again, the trials and tribulations of a REAL Dialysis patient used as untrue fodder for a once proud scripted drama.
I'm just going to have to write the honest, true to life story myself.
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Episode 15, Dr. Carter returns to start Dialysis. Honest portrayal, kudos.
Episode 16, Dr. Carter falls ill while working in the ER. Realitstic portrayal, much applause.
Epiisode 17, Dr. Carter gets a kidney from some young kids who dies. What? Are you kidding me? Three episodes and he already has a kidney.
LOL! Tell me about it. That is exactly what I said to my mom. I was like, "You know darn no one gets a kidney that quick."
I also hated that he was working full time while on dialysis. As a doctor on his feet all day with those long hours? No wonder people don't get how tired we are. Sheesh. Dr. Carter is freakin superman.
But I also applaud them for trying and having a main character deal with something like this.