I Hate Dialysis Message Board
Off-Topic => Off-Topic: Talk about anything you want. => Topic started by: paul.karen on February 03, 2009, 07:33:05 AM
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Let it go already.
Why make such a big deal out of such little issues.
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Let it go already.
Why make such a big deal out of such little issues.
Precisely my view. The creation of absolute heroes and complete demons is a false dichotomy as both are merely mythical.
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so, who hasn't done that?
leave the kid alone
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My point Twirl.
The last three presidents admitted to smoking weed.
Well Clinton didnt inhale (eyes rolling).
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so, who hasn't done that?
leave the kid alone
Leave it be. I tried it when I was younger and I didn't inhale either. :urcrazy;
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and who would take Clinton seriously,
you what he thinks does not count as sex
:urcrazy;
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I agree PK. I'm not sure any of us can really imagine what it is like to be a teenage and suddenly thrust into world fame. I'm having a hard time understanding the rage that is being directed towards him (in some of the online comment threads) - if he was smoking cigarettes and drinking whiskey this wouldn't be a story at all.
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Cameras are everywhere. If there's no video it didn't happen. Weird world we live in.
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Looked like a heckuva good bong too. :rofl;
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:o :secret; :rofl; :waving;
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Looked like a heckuva good bong too. :rofl;
especially with that lung capacity! :o
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so, who hasn't done that?
leave the kid alone
But not everyone has put themselves out there to be a representative and spokesperson for a company that primary markets its products to kids.
Right or wrong, that is one of the reasons he is catching so much flak.
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Who cares that he did that. With that much sudden money, not much surprise. Stupid to be in a cameras veiw and do it, but, that's another story. ???
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Rut roh...we weren't supposed to inhale?
Can I go back to the 70's and do it over then?
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Here is a pic of him and his bong. Like I know what hell a bong is. I had to go look it up!
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Who cares that he did that. With that much sudden money, not much surprise. Stupid to be in a cameras veiw and do it, but, that's another story. ???
Cell phone cameras - he's lucky it's not video
With cell phone cameras if you're a world wide celebrity you have to assume you are having your picture taken any time you're in public. That has`to be hard for a`19 year old to take.
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oh well, he got caught..... again. Hey, the kid likes to party, but he has to be smarter. First the underage DUI at 19, and now this. Who knows what else he has done that hasn't been made public.
I am a big fan of his, but he was flat out stupid to put himself in that situation, especially since he is the one who has stated many times that he wants to be a role model for kids. Regardless of what people think of the DUI or smoking pot, it's all illegal and we can't pick and choose what laws we want to follow.
Bottom line is he will lose some sponsors and some money but he will still keep most of them, make a ton of money, and most people will forgive him. As long as he keeps a low profile for a while, all will be forgotten.
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so, who hasn't done that?
leave the kid alone
First let me say I haven't! haha. I am a good kid. More like I was always scared shitless, my dad can be a scary scary man. And then he dose that guilt trip stuff like crazy. So yes I have never done it!
But I agree with you guys, and hell after everthing he has done. Let the man live a little.
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Drinkboy you are right it is illegal.
Over 850,000 people were put in jail for it last year alone. Not for selling just for having it.
Funny how the president and so many other political figures have admitted to smoking it in THERE PAST supposable. I have seen them laugh about it and whisp it away like it is no big deal.
Yet again over 850,000 people were tossed in jail for it?
Double standards abound.
Luckily some states like Hawaii-Oregon-Alaska and a few others i cant think of are making this more of a walking nuisance issue. Making it legal to carry up to an ounce. Just cant smoke it in public or sell it.
Almost a million people going through the system is a shame and a waste of time and money.
But again you are right it is illegal.
Lets remember the real number one and two KILLERS. and they are legal.
Alcohol and Cigarettes. Makes me at least wonder why?
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Lets remember the real number one and two KILLERS. and they are legal.
Alcohol and Cigarettes. Makes me at least wonder why?
But also put into context such stats are not kept on weed so one cannot compare the two in terms of "killers".
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True bigsky.
This is where we rely on common sense.
many people like to say knowledge is power. I have first hand knowledge of all three (as im sure many do within there own families) and of the three the all natural weed is the least likely to be a direct casue of death due to consumption. IMO
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Lets remember the real number one and two KILLERS. and they are legal.
Alcohol and Cigarettes. Makes me at least wonder why?
But also put into context such stats are not kept on weed so one cannot compare the two in terms of "killers".
From Holland there is plenty of data to support PK's point.
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Good grief such a small bong we use to hit out of a 3 footer in a freinds basement. Then not be able to leave for quite some time. Good times in the early '70's I did inhale...Boxman
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:rofl; :rofl;
So True Boxman. But them three footers- well you had to take two hits just to get the smoke up to the mouth piece. So you were haveway hyperventilated before you even got to the smoke.
:oops; I have no experience im just quessing.
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Good grief such a small bong we use to hit out of a 3 footer in a freinds basement. Then not be able to leave for quite some time. Good times in the early '70's I did inhale...Boxman
you are so cool, ::)
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Looked like a heckuva good bong too. :rofl;
especially with that lung capacity! :o
:clap; :clap;
:rofl; :rofl;
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well, i inhale and am happy to do so! you go mike!
the only reason it's illegal is because the drug companies can't make a good enough product from it yet. they tried refining it into a pill, but nobody likes it because it doesn't work as good as the home grown stuff.
here in canada a government project set up a huge pot farm in an underground abandoned mine. the purpose was to grow medical marijuana
for the people with chronic illnesses that had authorisation to use cannabis. but the government growers don't know how to grow decent weed, so the 'customers' all sent their weed back in favour of their neighbourhood dealer's supply. :2thumbsup;
canada was about to de-criminalise it, but bush's people spoke up and said if we did they would barr many other companies' access to the borders, so we backed off. now, with a real presidant in place, i believe that it will happen and i couldn't be happier about that.
i still have my cannais club card, so i can purchase high quality, organic-grown cannabis, so i don't really care, but it's good to know that the courts will be able to focus on real crimes soon, for a change.
:waving;
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Good grief such a small bong we use to hit out of a 3 footer in a freinds basement. Then not be able to leave for quite some time. Good times in the early '70's I did inhale...Boxman
Boxman, I knew there was a reason I loved you. :bow;
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In my city a group called The Compassionate Society used to provide baked cannabis cookies for my friend Bill who had throat cancer. They were a godsend for him.
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The "pot pill" works wonders, is very cheap, and any MD can presribe it. It does not however, get you high like pot, but the appetite stimulant, and anti nausea benefits are still there. The pill is called Marinol, and IMO, only a matter of time before pot itself will (should) be legalized. Again, only my opinion. :twocents;
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Legalize pot and tax it to death!
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Legalize pot and tax it to death!
EXACTLY!!!!! :bandance;
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I agree legalize it
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Marinol? never heard of it................things that make you go hhhhmmmm
I wonder if just any doc would give it to ya? I looked Marinol up online and from what I read, it seems that it would cost ALOT more than the "illegal" marijuna? :rofl; Why am I not surprised? :rofl; :bandance;
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i'd prefer 'de-criminalisation' to outright legalizing it. i would rather have some control over the quality, and if it's legalized, and the government takes it's chunk, you can bet there will be the restrictions on growing your own and quality control will be up to government 'experts' -who have shown so far to be massively ignorant about the growing of decent bud.
marinol does cover some of the features of cannabis. what i get from it (cannabis, that is) is appetite enhancement, lower B/P, a laxitive effect, sleep aid, relaxation and creative stimulation. marinol can't do all that.
(plus; it pisses off the man. >:D )
really, i don't care if it's illegal forever. i'm gonna use it whenever i want. some laws were created by idiots and maintained by jerks, so why worry?
i figger the worst they could do is give me the death sentence. they just might be too late on that one, too.
pass de spliff, mon.
:yahoo; :guitar:
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Goofynina would be saying "puff, puff" Pass the green leafy stuff. :rofl;
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Goofynina would be saying "puff, puff" Pass the green leafy stuff. :rofl;
:rofl; :thumbup;
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I can hear her saying that for sure. :rofl;
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I agree with lightlizard and im sad i never met Goofynina. My kinda gal sounds like :thumbup;
back to the subject. i CANT believe this is still in the news. Even more so i cant believe the cop/sheriff is still threating to arrest Mike over a PHOTO. Any lawer could have this tossed out of court. What was in the bong? can you prove it? Bongs are sold to smoke tobacco products through. Although i have yet to meet anyone who used a bong for that purpose.
So you go copper. Spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to convict mike. Then give him a $200 fine so he can walk out of court on a misdemeanor charge and go back to the pool.
And we wonder why our economy is down the tubes. Cause of this kind of wasteful stupid spending.
IMO
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The police have already arrested a number of people in the matter. Not to mention the dope who tried to sell the bong on ebay. Even though Phelps has already confessed, I would think a good lawyer could get this case dismissed if it is brought against him.
There are several things that keep the government from legalizing it and taxing it, some of which could include.
1. Once commercialized and marketed similar if not the same health side affects as tobacco would be realized.
2. Unlike tobacco, it can be easily grown at home and processed at home thus bypassing the tax system.
3. If one has been drinking and driving there is a reliable test, there is no such test for pot that is reliable due to the nature of the drug. Staying in the system days after use.
4. The workplace environment. Most have a zero tolerance for drug and alcohol use and people can be random UA'd or depending on profession tested after an accident. The problem would be for a reliable test to determine if people were under the influence at the time of a UA or in an accident.
5. Opening up even greater access to children.
There is probably a number of other reasons also in the view of the government.
It would depend if the government thinks it could overcome some of this stuff to legalize it IMO.
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The police have already arrested a number of people in the matter. Not to mention the dope who tried to sell the bong on ebay. Even though Phelps has already confessed, I would think a good lawyer could get this case dismissed if it is brought against him.
There are several things that keep the government from legalizing it and taxing it, some of which could include.
1. Once commercialized and marketed similar if not the same health side affects as tobacco would be realized.
2. Unlike tobacco, it can be easily grown at home and processed at home thus bypassing the tax system.
3. If one has been drinking and driving there is a reliable test, there is no such test for pot that is reliable due to the nature of the drug. Staying in the system days after use.
4. The workplace environment. Most have a zero tolerance for drug and alcohol use and people can be random UA'd or depending on profession tested after an accident. The problem would be for a reliable test to determine if people were under the influence at the time of a UA or in an accident.
5. Opening up even greater access to children.
There is probably a number of other reasons also in the view of the government.
There IS a UA test for Pot. Not an issue.
It would depend if the government thinks it could overcome some of this stuff to legalize it IMO.
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There IS a UA test for Pot. Not an issue.
I think you misunderstand what I am saying.
If say a workplace accident occurs the person can be tested for alcohol. The test is straight forward. Either one has it in the system or they do not and action is taken.
However due to the nature of pot staying in the system days after its use, or weeks or more in heavy users. How does a test play out. The individual could have not used for several days but still test positive for the drug by a UA can they not?
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The bong owner tried to sell it on e-bay. He was arrested.
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There IS a UA test for Pot. Not an issue.
I think you misunderstand what I am saying.
If say a workplace accident occurs the person can be tested for alcohol. The test is straight forward. Either one has it in the system or they do not and action is taken.
However due to the nature of pot staying in the system days after its use, or weeks or more in heavy users. How does a test play out. The individual could have not used for several days but still test positive for the drug by a UA can they not?
I don't know how long it's positive for. Good point, if it stays in there.
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The police have already arrested a number of people in the matter. Not to mention the dope who tried to sell the bong on ebay. Even though Phelps has already confessed, I would think a good lawyer could get this case dismissed if it is brought against him.
There are several things that keep the government from legalizing it and taxing it, some of which could include.
1. Once commercialized and marketed similar if not the same health side affects as tobacco would be realized.
2. Unlike tobacco, it can be easily grown at home and processed at home thus bypassing the tax system.
3. If one has been drinking and driving there is a reliable test, there is no such test for pot that is reliable due to the nature of the drug. Staying in the system days after use.
4. The workplace environment. Most have a zero tolerance for drug and alcohol use and people can be random UA'd or depending on profession tested after an accident. The problem would be for a reliable test to determine if people were under the influence at the time of a UA or in an accident.
5. Opening up even greater access to children.
There is probably a number of other reasons also in the view of the government.
It would depend if the government thinks it could overcome some of this stuff to legalize it IMO.
I think you hit on a number of unique issues with pot. The issue that it stays in the system after the fact - that testing could show it is present even though it was not a factor in the event that requires testing - is a problem now and it would still be a problem.
But #1 isn't likely to turn out that way. No one is going to be smoking a pack of joints a day. So there is the difference in the amount of smoking pot vs. tobacco. And there is also the issue that tobacco contains numerous carcinogens that just aren't in pot. http://whyquit.com/whyquit/A_Tobacco_Additives.html I suppose it is possible in the post legalized world Flavor and Engineering Additives might be added but it doesn't seem likely.
#2 would not impact tax revenues that much. People avoid cigarette taxes by driving to the Indiana reservations but generally busy people don't have time to do that just as busy people don't have time to grow their own pot. It would be more like the issue of people making their own wine - it would be a novelty to bring out when friends are over and then you switch to the good store bought stuff.
#5 Keeping it illegal keeps it in the hands of kids. Getting pot is easier than getting alcohol if you're a teenager because pot is illegal.
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I think you hit on a number of unique issues with pot. The issue that it stays in the system after the fact - that testing could show it is present even though it was not a factor in the event that requires testing - is a problem now and it would still be a problem.
But #1 isn't likely to turn out that way. No one is going to be smoking a pack of joints a day. So there is the difference in the amount of smoking pot vs. tobacco. And there is also the issue that tobacco contains numerous carcinogens that just aren't in pot. http://whyquit.com/whyquit/A_Tobacco_Additives.html I suppose it is possible in the post legalized world Flavor and Engineering Additives might be added but it doesn't seem likely.
#2 would not impact tax revenues that much. People avoid cigarette taxes by driving to the Indiana reservations but generally busy people don't have time to do that just as busy people don't have time to grow their own pot. It would be more like the issue of people making their own wine - it would be a novelty to bring out when friends are over and then you switch to the good store bought stuff.
#5 Keeping it illegal keeps it in the hands of kids. Getting pot is easier than getting alcohol if you're a teenager because pot is illegal.
1. That is debatable. When the Indians had tobacco everyone wasnt smoking packs a day either. Commercialization and marketing to the masses changes things awfully fast. While they may not be the exact same carcinogens, there are just as many in weed.
2. It is a complex issue about reservations and taxes and allotment of tobacco. It does occur but is greatly exaggerated. We have 7 Indian Reservations in the State and it isnt a problem.
True anyone can make wine. However its an extensive process to that of growing a plant.
5. Again that is debatable. However studies taking what kids say show that twice as many use alcohol vs using weed.