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Off-Topic => Political Debates - Thick Skin Required for Entry => Topic started by: okarol on January 19, 2009, 08:55:49 PM
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Here's a section created for the threads related to Obama's inauguration.
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Bless you Karol!
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Congatulations America!
There is a Golden Glow on the horizon today. Thank you America!
my joy in this comes from the realisation that the process of evolution is alive and very well. just 50 years ago, a black president would have been an impossibility.
yes, a lot of people will put a lot of hope on him, but it feels as if most are recognising that the change will come from within each and every one of us, he knows that and is quite willing to let us know he knows that. that is definitely not what we have come to expect from politicians. i believe we are seeing the re-definition of the term 'politician.'
that itself is reason enough for celebration.
i understand the need some may feel for caution, but we CAN let go of the past and embrace this moment as unique in history, and confirmation of the noble principles of equality and fairness that so many have spoken of, but few have delivered.
it has been delivered today, and we have good reason to expect more of the same.
:clap; :clap; :clap; :yahoo; :2thumbsup; :bandance; :bandance; :guitar:
:thx;
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well, its barely noon here, and your new president has begun the process of shutting down guantanamo bay, signed papers to make government transparent and make the freedom of information act available to everyone, he has frozen the wages of anyone working in the white house that makes over 100K, and has stated that he will end the ban on stem cell research. and his first day in office has just begun!
:2thumbsup; :2thumbsup; :clap; :clap; :bow; :bow; :guitar:
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:2thumbsup; :yahoo;
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:cheer:
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It's official!
this morning the papers were signed by the appropriate people to free the restrictions on stem cell research.
:2thumbsup; :clap; :clap; :beer1; :guitar: :bandance; :thx;
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:cheer:
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Here's a section created for the threads related to Obama's inauguration.
Why not just rename this Board "Politics"? What do the current discussions have to do with the inauguration celebrations? Or can politics return to "Off topic" where they were under Epoman's stewardship?
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Why not just rename this Board "Politics"? What do the current discussions have to do with the inauguration celebrations? Or can politics return to "Off topic" where they were under Epoman's stewardship?
"Politics" is now in the Premium Member section.
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Why not just rename this Board "Politics"? What do the current discussions have to do with the inauguration celebrations? Or can politics return to "Off topic" where they were under Epoman's stewardship?
"Politics" is now in the Premium Member section.
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Isn't that more the 2008 election politics Board? It had to do with a particular event, it ran its course and then it was archived (for unclear reasons)
Now the inauguration has run its course shouldn't it be archived?
Healthcare politics will change the provision of dialysis in the US ... are they suppose to go here? Weird.
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Perhaps.
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With each day the name of this sub-board becomes more inappropriate. I just realized the Libya discussion is here - I view posts by viewing "Show unread posts since last visit" - it should have been refiled under the general Off Topic on March 3 after PK posted his poll.
Just change the name to "Politics" and move the Libya discussion ... 'war' is off topic but isn't suppose to be purely about politics
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I understand what you are saying Bill. We don't rename topics for one and really none of the Mods really want to deal with politics, Obama period. As a courtesy we have this section available for those who want to talk about that subject. Personally I would just eliminate it completely, however it isn't about what I want, it is here for those who do want it.
Sluff/Admin
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I agree, Bill, this was about his inaguration, but it has turned more to "Politics" Just makes me want to :puke; or :banghead;. But what can we do? Cause it seems the more we :rant; about it, the more it falls on deaf ears!!!
EDITED:Fixed smiley tag error-kitkatz,Moderator
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Thank you!
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You're :welcomesign;
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On the election:
The Republicans were arrogant, they believed they were entitled to the Presidency, and engaged in the “big lie” so early that, ironically, they began to believe in those lies. As a practical matter, the Republicans had nothing to run on, no mission or ideas that were uniquely their own. They had the ghost of George W. Bush to reckon with but tried to ignore the legacy of Republican Presidents since the Nixon days, and all of this came to light with their adoption of the Tea Party who claimed Obama was a Muslim, was born in Kenya, was a communist, and was a socialist, and was simply out to destroy the US.
For myself, the Republican/Tea Party denial of science was downright offensive.
This loss by the GOP is not the head-scratcher the GOPers think it is; they lost it on the mythology of the lie!
I found the following on Daily Kos. It speaks volumes to the loneliness a candidate for President who has had the attention of at least half a nation and who expected to win, when an abrupt moment arrives and you suddenly feel a profound abandonment.:
At some point, early Wednesday morning, when Gov. Mitt Romney and family were tucked into bed, a quiet call went out on the radio channel used by his Secret Service agents: "Javelin, Jockey details, all posts, discontinue."
Of all the indignities involved in losing a presidential race, none is more stark than the sudden emptiness of your entourage. The Secret Service detail guarding Governor Romney since Feb 1. stood down quickly. He had ridden in a 15-car motorcade to the Intercontinental Hotel in Boston for his concession speech. He rode in a single-car motorcade back across the Charles River to Belmont. His son, Tagg, did the driving.
gl
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Well, we shall see. Obama has a short timeframe to prove himself. He can't keep blaming Bush forever. Now it is up to him.
Sounds like you are still blaming Nixon? Geez
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Well, we shall see. Obama has a short timeframe to prove himself.
Prove himself by overseeing 30 months of private sector job growth? By lowering taxes? By providing all Americans access to healthcare? By shrinking the deficit? That would be great.
If only there was some way we could know what his policies would accomplish
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I think Obama's already proved himself.
The Affordable Care Act is law. It starts in 2014. He doesn't have to get anything approved for that. There's no fighting it out in Congress. It's done.
The Frank-Dodd reforms are law. His plans for Wall Street reforms are in place already. They will be implemented over the next few years.
Romney would have repealed both of these things, but he didn't get the chance.
Romney also promised a law to make sure taxes didn't go up. Obama doesn't have to pass a law to raise them. It's already in place - the Bush tax cuts are expiring, along with a lot of other tax cuts. All Obama has to do is let the current law go into effect. It's up to him to decide what, if any, tax cuts he will extend, and to whom.
It's unusual that what Obama promised to accomplish could only happen if he was re-elected, but he's already done a great deal of what he promised to do.
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Ok, so Obama and all of America will sit back and watch if everything is already in place.
(where did he popcorn smiley go?)
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Who is going to the inauguration,? I am.
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I think Obama's already proved himself.
The Affordable Care Act is law. It starts in 2014. He doesn't have to get anything approved for that. There's no fighting it out in Congress. It's done.
The Frank-Dodd reforms are law. His plans for Wall Street reforms are in place already. They will be implemented over the next few years.
Romney would have repealed both of these things, but he didn't get the chance.
Romney also promised a law to make sure taxes didn't go up. Obama doesn't have to pass a law to raise them. It's already in place - the Bush tax cuts are expiring, along with a lot of other tax cuts. All Obama has to do is let the current law go into effect. It's up to him to decide what, if any, tax cuts he will extend, and to whom.
It's unusual that what Obama promised to accomplish could only happen if he was re-elected, but he's already done a great deal of what he promised to do.
ELectric prices have not yet skyrocketted as Obama promised prior to his 2008 election, but once Obama shuts down the coal industry next year, they will. One more Obama promise to look forward to. Obama can do this all by himself through regulatory change alone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlTxGHn4sH4
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There it is; the “mythology of the lie” is still with us. It seems the right-wing has yet to recognize that attempts to frighten the public, does not work. Bronco Bama is not going to shut down the coal industry.
Nor is Jeep going to relocate in China; or is socialism coming to America, nor is Obama going to fill out his cabinet with Muslims. Most observers recognized that the right-wing campaign for the presidency was based on a fictional series of untruths, lies actually. Even the Romney staff admitted it, “There are no fact-checkers here!”. Then in the last two weeks after the lies piled up and the media began to grow more militant, Romney refused to answer any questions, and, again, the Romney staff claimed it didn’t matter whether any allegation was true or not; the election would be over before anyone responded to these fabricated charges.
Bronco Bama very carefully explained the diversity of the US energy, and coal production is a part of the picture. Nope, the President is not going to shut down the coal industry.
It is strange to read a statement that Obama must prove himself. In case anyone has forgotten, Obama has been around for four years and if it wasn’t for an obstructionist Congress, we would be out of this recession. Besides, the American public liked what they saw in Obama and re-elected him. That endorsement should instruct the objective observer that no further proving of ones-self is required.
gl
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"Bronco Bama". LOL! I hope that little girl is happy now that the election is over. I bet all Ohioans are grateful, too!
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There it is; the “mythology of the lie” is still with us. It seems the right-wing has yet to recognize that attempts to frighten the public, does not work. Bronco Bama is not going to shut down the coal industry.
Nor is Jeep going to relocate in China; or is socialism coming to America, nor is Obama going to fill out his cabinet with Muslims. Most observers recognized that the right-wing campaign for the presidency was based on a fictional series of untruths, lies actually. Even the Romney staff admitted it, “There are no fact-checkers here!”. Then in the last two weeks after the lies piled up and the media began to grow more militant, Romney refused to answer any questions, and, again, the Romney staff claimed it didn’t matter whether any allegation was true or not; the election would be over before anyone responded to these fabricated charges.
Bronco Bama very carefully explained the diversity of the US energy, and coal production is a part of the picture. Nope, the President is not going to shut down the coal industry.
It is strange to read a statement that Obama must prove himself. In case anyone has forgotten, Obama has been around for four years and if it wasn’t for an obstructionist Congress, we would be out of this recession. Besides, the American public liked what they saw in Obama and re-elected him. That endorsement should instruct the objective observer that no further proving of ones-self is required.
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Hey Gerald, you guys won, go rule and get on with it. Let's see what your man puts forth for an entire 8 years. If he doesn't move to the center, the country shall be in a greater mess than it is now. Add another 5 trillion dollars in debt which would be double of the entire group of presidents before him entirely, then I guess it will still be Bush's fault, or perhaps Reagan's.
If you say there is no war against coal by Obama, perhaps you need to shout that louder to the coal industry as their stock plummet. TIme will tell my friend.
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-11-07/u-dot-s-dot-coal-stocks-slump-as-obama-win-seen-negative-for-industry
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/07/usa-campaign-energy-companies-obama-idUSL1E8M7BPD20121107
http://www.examiner.com/article/epa-planning-new-anti-coal-regulations-for-after-election
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Great discussions.
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Peter how does the natural gas boom figure into your war-on-coal narrative?
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Peter how does the natural gas boom figure into your war-on-coal narrative?
Makes me wish I had gas heat. I hate electric!!!
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Peter how does the natural gas boom figure into your war-on-coal narrative?
It is my understanding that much of the gas boom is related to fracking which Obama opposes. Will have to wait and see where that goes as well. Obama just shut down 1.6 million acres out west two days after the election.
http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/e2-wire/267095-interior-proposes-shielding-federal-lands-in-west-from-drilling
So, can't answer your question yet to see how Obama deals with fracking. I'm not very hopeful it will be positive if the above story is any indication. Wonder if Colorado would have voted for him if he had done this two days before the election.
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Peter how does the natural gas boom figure into your war-on-coal narrative?
It is my understanding that much of the gas boom is related to fracking which Obama opposes. Will have to wait and see where that goes as well. Obama just shut down 1.6 million acres out west two days after the election.
http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/e2-wire/267095-interior-proposes-shielding-federal-lands-in-west-from-drilling (http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/e2-wire/267095-interior-proposes-shielding-federal-lands-in-west-from-drilling)
So, can't answer your question yet to see how Obama deals with fracking. I'm not very hopeful it will be positive if the above story is any indication. Wonder if Colorado would have voted for him if he had done this two days before the election.
I don't think the market cares how the President feels about extraction methods ... coal hit a artificially high price in 2007/08 and now it is down closer to its historic value, coal is loosing market share in large part because natural gas is plentiful and a better product. Coal is being exported but to generate US power we have better options. Coal use is declining. What you are calling a war, I would call market forces.
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I just read that US oil production now, rivals Saudi Arabia. Perhaps fracking will not be necessary. :shy;
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I think that was with fracking?
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PMSL... the thing everyone doesn't seem to realize.. good ole Barry is 1st and foremost a politician.. and 2nd he's a Chicago politician.. that speaks volumes right there... any one who thinks Obama isn't as tainted as the rest of them is deluding themselves..
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I should be President.
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'll vote for ye M8... ;>)... lol
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I hope Hillary can carry on. Obama was blocked repeatedly by Repubs that wanted him to fail from day one ! He still did pretty darn good in spite of it ! Personally, we are better off than 8years ago, more $ , SS checks keep coming, Medicare is great and affordable, RX are reasonable, gas is down, my kids and grandkids have great paying jobs, son is building a new house in the country on 10 acres to raise his 2 little boys up on, hubby got a great functioning kidney transplant in Sept 2015, and doing well, immunosuppressive drugs are less than 50 dollars a month with Medicare . Our young armed forces are not coming home in boxes by the hundreds like before ! Why would I want it to change ???
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I did not vote for Obama, but I wanted him to succeed. He has not, even a little bit. The affordable Care Act is one of the worlds biggest jokes. 5 Billion or wait was it ONLY 5 Million dollars for a website that never worked right, fines and they are heavy ones for not being insured, and some how the county hospitals are still loaded and jam pack crowded. Any black child that was exceptional got to visit the white house. No white children evidently were exceptional the past 7 years. He did in fact fill nearly every opening in the WH with Muslims and refuses to acknowledge that ISIS is a terrorist group. In California, gas is the highest any where and nobody seems to know why. Social Security checks still come, but they have not gotten any larger, even tho buying food is an exercise in futility. His main objective in life seems to be golfing, no matter where he is and no matter what the public thinks of him. I realize I will probably be booed because of this post, but I no longer care. Peace Out!!
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I hope Hillary can carry on. Obama was blocked repeatedly by Repubs that wanted him to fail from day one !
That's my biggest worry. We have seen how derogatory the right is towards Obama and that's only based on race. With Hillary they have objectified her for 20+ years now and she is a woman etc... I hate to see how she will get vilified and blocked at every move.
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I did not vote for Obama, but I wanted him to succeed. He has not, even a little bit. The affordable Care Act is one of the worlds biggest jokes. 5 Billion or wait was it ONLY 5 Million dollars for a website that never worked right, fines and they are heavy ones for not being insured, and some how the county hospitals are still loaded and jam pack crowded. Any black child that was exceptional got to visit the white house. No white children evidently were exceptional the past 7 years. He did in fact fill nearly every opening in the WH with Muslims and refuses to acknowledge that ISIS is a terrorist group. In California, gas is the highest any where and nobody seems to know why. Social Security checks still come, but they have not gotten any larger, even tho buying food is an exercise in futility. His main objective in life seems to be golfing, no matter where he is and no matter what the public thinks of him. I realize I will probably be booed because of this post, but I no longer care. Peace Out!!
You won't hear any boos from me. :thumbup;
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I did not vote for Obama, but I wanted him to succeed. He has not, even a little bit. The affordable Care Act is one of the worlds biggest jokes. 5 Billion or wait was it ONLY 5 Million dollars for a website that never worked right, fines and they are heavy ones for not being insured, and some how the county hospitals are still loaded and jam pack crowded. Any black child that was exceptional got to visit the white house. No white children evidently were exceptional the past 7 years. He did in fact fill nearly every opening in the WH with Muslims and refuses to acknowledge that ISIS is a terrorist group. In California, gas is the highest any where and nobody seems to know why. Social Security checks still come, but they have not gotten any larger, even tho buying food is an exercise in futility. His main objective in life seems to be golfing, no matter where he is and no matter what the public thinks of him. I realize I will probably be booed because of this post, but I no longer care. Peace Out!!
I'd imagine that the reason gas is higher in CA is because CA is levying higher taxes. I would also suspect that there is a lack of refining capacity in that state, so you may want to look at those numbers.
The amount of Social Security one receives is decided by Congress. There is a GOP majority in both the House and the Senate, so direct your blame there.
I can't remember any president in recent times that was not criticized for his choice of recreation. GWB was always criticized for clearing bush on his property in Texas, and even Reagan was criticized for seeming to always be on horseback on his ranch in CA. No president is ever out of reach of important communication.
Really? Whining about the color of the kids who go to the White House? Special white kids have been going to the WH for decades, so I don't begrudge the little black ones who get to go. I seriously doubt that the Obamas have declared the White House to be a "Blacks Only" zone.
It's nice that you wanted our duly elected President to succeed, but your desires didn't matter to Mitch McConnell and his cabal. Ol' Mitch is about to reap what he has sown once Donald Trump lands in the Oval Office. McConnell made no secret and even loudly declared what he would do anything it took to make sure that President Obama was a one term president. He and his cronies broke America and divided us. He is seditious, evil and God will make him pay for destroying America.
"Hope and Change" is what the American people voted for...TWICE. But now all we can hope for is that the Republican party implodes (and it is already), and we really did get change, just not the change we wanted. People whine that Obama has been the most "divisive" president. But they are wrong. Stand up, Mitch. That honor is all yours.
President Obama filled most of the WH openings with Muslims? Can you site your source for that? Are you talking about cabinet posts, or are you talking about White House staffers? Even if that's true, so what? OMG, black kids and Muslim staffers in the WH!!! I want my country back!!!
But let's focus on what is really important, like the color of the kids who have been invited to the White House.
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Whining about the color of the kids who go to the White House? Whining? Seriously???? I dont begrudge the kids either, but when it is only the black ones, do you not think that is divisive? I do!! If you dont think the Obamas have declared the White House to be a blacks only zone, you are sadly mistaken. President Obama filled most of the posts in the White House with Muslims?? Yes, my dear, he did and as far as I am concerned, that is dead wrong and again, divisive.It is not that he appoints muslims and blacks, it is that it is Nearly all muslims and blacks and that is a huge problem. There has also NOT been a GOP majority for 8 years!!!! Don't blame ALL of it on the Republicans. Once more, peace out!!!!
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Oil products are higher in California due to two causes ,transport and refining capacity. The only thing George Bush the lesser ever said that I agree with is that this country has a refining capacity problem we close me and haven't on penned any replacements. Gas prices are based on supply of refined product. With California clean air requirements there is not enough capacity in the remaining rifineries so the price is higher. Plus the Rockies make pipeline transport more expensive. All and all that's what drives California prices and why they will always be higher.
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Whining about the color of the kids who go to the White House? Whining? Seriously???? I dont begrudge the kids either, but when it is only the black ones, do you not think that is divisive? I do!! If you dont think the Obamas have declared the White House to be a blacks only zone, you are sadly mistaken. President Obama filled most of the posts in the White House with Muslims?? Yes, my dear, he did and as far as I am concerned, that is dead wrong and again, divisive.It is not that he appoints muslims and blacks, it is that it is Nearly all muslims and blacks and that is a huge problem. There has also NOT been a GOP majority for 8 years!!!! Don't blame ALL of it on the Republicans. Once more, peace out!!!!
OK, Jean, since you have make the declaration that President Obama "filled most of the posts in the White House with Muslims", then you get to prove it. Give us a list of all of the people he has given these posts to, and prove that they are Muslim.
Prove it. Just prove it.
Oh, and while you're at it, give us a list of the all/only black kids who have been to the White House.
Here is your chance to show us all that President Obama is really a racist secret Muslim. C'mon, I double dare ya. ;)
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Here are some photos taken by official White House photographer Pete Souza. They're both funny and touching.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/05/politics/gallery/president-obama-kids/index.html
And here is a look at who is in Obama's senior WH staff. Maybe they are all Muslim, I don't know. I guess you'd have to ask them. Their contact info is available if you wish to submit a query.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/senior-leadership
You know, it is entirely fair to discuss/dispute/debate the policies of a sitting President, but to make such odd declarations and accusations about the color of visitors' skin and the faith of staff members is another thing entirely. If you wish to discuss the ramifications of the TPP or another such topic, we can do that.
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Seriously you think I have the time to go back and look at every thing written about Obama? Or the desire? To prove something to you? Or any one else. I am telling you what I see on the news, you know, ABC, CBS, and NBC?? I dont know what news you watch, but I can bet you would be hard pressed to name all the "White" folks he has appointed. Or had visit him. If he has an affair, its always on the news about who the entertainers are and okay, maybe only 9 out of 10 of them are black, but that is enough.He has divided this country in ways that it has not been divided since the Civil War. Violence and gangs are increasing daily. Pardon me for expressing my opinion. I forgot where I was at.
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It is still a free country so you can say what you want. It is Bullying to make someone feel inferior to say what is on their mind.
Obama is white just as he is black. People forget that. He is the first black president? No, Ben Carson would have been. Too bad he got snuffed out.
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According to the Obama Countdown Clock, he only has 307 days left and then needs to vacate the White House. I keep imagining scores of people showing up with dozen of moving trucks offering to move the Obamas free of charge. And then I've heard of those with the suitcases with painted signs on them saying "Pack up your sh*t and get out". Oh man, that's harsh! But...that's the way it is. When his time comes to leave, he will have to leave. Just saying there will probably be plenty of volunteers willing to help him move out. Now cue in that Gloria Gaynor song "I Will Survive".
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People have a right to their own opinion, not to like Obama is a right. But in a free and honest discussion facts stated to make a point need to be verified. There are several reputable fact checking sites on the internet checking with them you will discover many articles making claims of Muslims appointed by Obama. All seem to be discredited to some or all the facts. There are I think 4 million Muslims in the US so that some may work for the government should not be a shock. In 1941 and 1942 the US government rounded up all Japenese in the a mainland US, sized their propetry and put them in Comcentration Camps. This disgraceful page in US history was motivated by a fear that these people would do things to help Japan in the war. In Hawaii the larger Japaese population was left alone. The record clearly shows that the Islands Japanese population provided no assistance to Japan. And the US Army 442 regiment was composed entirely of Japanese American recruits. Many members of this highly decorated unit had family in the Camps.
There are many claims that Obama Is.a Muslim or appointed Muslims but a check of the facts discredit all of these articles. If you believe them, that is your right, but in America calling in question facts is also a right. Asking some one to name or list people who are Muslims in critical jobs appointed by Obama is not a attack but a legitimate question in a discussion. The difference, the statement I think it's politician is a moron, a opinion, I think this politician has stolen public money, a fact and asking for proof is valid.
I don't like attacks on people that call in question their opinions, however facts need to be supportable. The label on this thread includes thick skin required this should means statements will be questioned on facts but not opinions.
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Agreed, Michael Murphy. The assertion that Obama has appointed only Muslims to the White House staff or that only black children are invited into the White House are not "opinions" but are, rather, outright falsehoods and need to be challenged as such. If that makes anyone feel "inferior", then that is not really my problem. Even if there ARE Muslims on the White House staff, so what?
Rerun, you are so right; people DO forget that the president is as much white as he is black and focus solely upon his "blackness", otherwise we would not even be having this conversation about black kids being invited into the White House.
Jean, the White House keeps public records of those who have visited the White House, so no one would be "hard pressed" to find this information. If you want to make derogatory sweeping statements and then claim that you have neither the time nor the desire to back them up, then why should anyone listen to anything you have to say?
And Michael Murphy, we have every right to question someone's opinion. Opinions are not sacred. Hitler had plenty "opinions" as do the KKK. We have a duty in a democracy to question the opinions that are obviously based on falsehoods. Those sorts of "opinions" are not opinions at all, rather, they are called "propaganda". Calling someone out on believing propaganda is NOT a "personal attack".
PrimeTimer, you have a vivid imagination, and of course the Obamas will leave the White House in January. Is some crazy racist group suggesting they will will stay past their time? But I will tell you one thing that is fact, and that is that if either Trump or Cruz become President of the United States, I will get whatever license I need to purchase a gun and then will get a concealed/carry license. Canada is going to have to loosen their border restrictions to allow in hoards of American asylum seekers! And THAT is MY opinion! ;D
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According to the Obama Countdown Clock, Obama only has 306 days left and then must vacate the White House. Fact is fact. But, he can look at it this way; once he is out of office and gets back home, he can wear those mommie jeans again any time he likes.
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I personally will miss Obama , he had class , could talk easily and diplomatic with foreign officials, was able to represent the country in many ceremonies in a dignified way, no embarrassing tweets and a great sense of humor ! Just look at his replacement, an immature narsasistic bully ! Wow !
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I'll bet that once he becomes President, Trump will not allow the press to cover any SOTU speeches, assuming he gives one at all. He is not constitutionally required to.
Or, maybe he'll just tweet it.
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He will probably just Tweet because that way the press can't twist it and edit it. It will be what it is and not changed to make him look bad.
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It will be what it is and not changed to make him look bad.
He does a pretty good job of looking bad all on his own.
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I knew that would be coming....
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It will be what it is and not changed to make him look bad.
He does a pretty good job of looking bad all on his own.
Agreed
I like alot of stuff he pushes but but he has that knee jerk reaction instead of thinking before he speaks.
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ooops posted to wrong thread