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Dialysis Discussion => Dialysis: General Discussion => Topic started by: MattyBoy100 on August 25, 2006, 02:21:35 PM
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Yet another question,
I am waiting for my fistula to mature in about 6 weeks` time. I am dialysing via a line in my upper chest at the moment. Can anyone tell me what happens when my line is removed? And why did I have to have an operation to make the line but I`m being told that a nurse can remove it when my fistula is ready?
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i've had two of those lines myself, dont know all the medical terms and mumbo jumbo, but to take it out is quite fast and easy, they usually do it in the drs. office. The only pain i recall is the shot of lidocaine they give you, but thats is only a couple of seconds.
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To put it in they have to "tunnel" it under your skin so it takes more than pulling it out.
First time - put in under general anaesthetic the same time as fistula
First time - jerked out at the Dr's office
Second time - put in under general anaesthetic
Second time - taken out when kidney transplant was removed (Just worked out that way)
Third time - put in under local and then something went wrong and they put me out
Third time - it is NOT going to come out!
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Yet another question,
I am waiting for my fistula to mature in about 6 weeks` time. I am dialysing via a line in my upper chest at the moment. Can anyone tell me what happens when my line is removed? And why did I have to have an operation to make the line but I`m being told that a nurse can remove it when my fistula is ready?
Do NOT let them remove that LINE until your fistula is working good, the line may get infected and you may have no choice, but if you can keep it in until your fistula is working good. TRUST ME! But taking it out is a piece of cake. They will pull it out and then apply pressure for a little while. Very easy nothing to worry about.
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What happens if the line is stuck? Mine has been in for over 2 years :o
I don't wan't someone to yank an artery out or somethin' :o :o
Still working on my fistula.. ::)
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You'd be surprised at just how easily that thing will come out. I've only had one that was installed under a local and removed without any anesthesia. I was a bit apprehensive about taking it out but really it just slid right out. The sutures were the only thing keeping it in and once they were cut out it came with a slight tug.
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I was surprised how easily mine came out. I practically had an anxiety attack before the nurse took it out and they had to give me some Atavan... which didn't really work. I didn't understand how if I had to be put OUT to have it put in, why are they just going to pull it out... but it came out fine. I saw the part that went to your heart and wow it was long! I was shocked.
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This is very good to know because now that my fistula is finally working I will be getting mine out soon. It is about time too! I have had mine for a little over a year now!
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I had a catheter line fall out when I was sleeping. Don't need to tell you the quick phone calss I made before going to the ER. Noone seemed to worried about it at all.
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I had a catheter line fall out when I was sleeping. Don't need to tell you the quick phone calls I made before going to the ER. Noone seemed to worried about it at all.
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Make sure while they are using your fistula, you get the lines flushed at least once a week. To keep the lines working. Just in case the fistula does not work out OK.
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I´ve had three catheter lines put in and each time with only a local anesthetic and all were taken out at the dialysis clinic with no anesthetic at all. It´s really easy and there´s no pain involved. There only thing that holds the lines in are the stitches. I´ve had the stitches fall out and had to have more put in - also with just a local and at the clinic in the chair!
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I asked at my unit and they said I will get a local and then they have to cut me a bit to remove the cuff of my line which is nearly in my neck and then they SIMPLY pull it out without any pain! You know, when people say there is no pain you can virtually guarantee pain will be involved!!!
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Make sure while they are using your fistula, you get the lines flushed at least once a week. To keep the lines working. Just in case the fistula does not work out OK.
Ya they flush my lines every single Friday with heparin.
I asked at my unit and they said I will get a local and then they have to cut me a bit to remove the cuff of my line which is nearly in my neck and then they SIMPLY pull it out without any pain! You know, when people say there is no pain you can virtually guarantee pain will be involved!!!
Yes but with our lives .. it kinda is one of those things .. you get used to a little pain. But it won't be much I assume at all.
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Hi angieskidney,
why are you up at 4am over there??? I`m in the UK and its 930 in the morning here. You should be in your bed!!!
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Hi angieskidney,
why are you up at 4am over there??? I`m in the UK and its 930 in the morning here. You should be in your bed!!!
shhh :P Going to bed now ;) (I don't like to go to bed with unread posts lol :-[)
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Hey mattyboy,
there are two different types of neckline, the temp one, which they simply removed the stiches and yank, and the permcath or tunnelled line, which has two cuffs under the skin, your own skin grows around the cuffs so that it doesn't fall out, when they remove it they have to cut skin from around the cuffs, I have had this done twice and its pretty much painless.
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Thanks heph,
I think I have the permcath. I seem to only be able to feel one cuff but am pretty sure the nurse said my line was semi permanent. I`m not scared of pain I just don`t like being in pain after people BS me about no pain. I had a biopsy and my Doc said it didn`t hurt. Well, the procedure didn`t hurt but half an hour afterwards I was in agony, thought I was gonna pass out with PAIN!!! I asked the nurses for some painkillers and was told I would need a Doc to issue them but I couldn`t see a Doc cos they were all on LUNCH!!! By the time the lunch was over, my pain had subsided to AGONY!!!
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Hi,
Just to add to the previous comments.
When they put in a permcath they need to make sure that the lungs are not punctured and should use an x-ray gun to help guide the permcath into position. When the permcath is removed they will make a small cut where the permcath is under the skin, but still above the ribs. This is where the cuff (my cuff was referred to as a noad) is and the tissue grows onto it. They will cut the tissue away and then the permcath pulls out very easily.
Cheers,
Alasdair.
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Hey mattyboy,
there are two different types of neckline, the temp one, which they simply removed the stitches and yank, and the permcath or tunnelled line, which has two cuffs under the skin, your own skin grows around the cuffs so that it doesn't fall out, when they remove it they have to cut skin from around the cuffs, I have had this done twice and its pretty much painless.
Ya the picture I posted earlier in this thread is a tunnelled one.
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I am not sure about other dialysis units, but before a central line or IJ is removed the fistula or graft has to be mature and useable. You also should have a fistulogram done on your access to make sure there is no stenosis/narrowing of the access. Once this is done and everything checks out than they should remove your line. Usually done in a doctor's office with a doctor performing the removal of your central line. Once in the doctor's office they use a local anesthetic like lidocaine to numb the site. The doctor than proceeds to remove it. If it's tunnelled you may feel pressure when he is pulling it, sometimes the tissue grows around it so he may have to exert extra pressure to remove it. After it is removed pressure is applied. You made have a stitch or two over the site.
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I am not sure about other dialysis units, but before a central line or IJ is removed the fistula or graft has to be mature and useable. You also should have a fistulogram done on your access to make sure there is no stenosis/narrowing of the access. Once this is done and everything checks out than they should remove your line.
Ya I had narrowing and they said I can ask the Neph about removal of the line in 2 weeks when he comes by the dialysis unit.